Nvidia 52.16 drives and slow boot up

SAMSAMHA · Oct 24, 2003, 11:32 PM

Hi, I have installed hte latest nvidia driver 52.16. However, my computer takes very very long time booting up, does anyone know what is wrong with it? I have a geforce 3 ti200 card from pny (but it's actaully msi card). I have intel mobo and p3 celeron 1.2.
Please help.

Murdock · Oct 25, 2003, 05:10 AM

These drivers are for fx cards i recomended for you the older ones, it make no sense for you to install these drivers they aren't made for your card.

Greetz Murdock

**MIG-31** · Oct 25, 2003, 05:34 AM

there not for fx only work fine on my gf4ti4600.must say these are the best nvidia drivers i have tried for a very long time.

this is a link to the download page and near bottom of page is the readme.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_52.16

they say they support all cards to date.

as you can see:

the main differences are from ti to fx is the are a few different options in the fx control panel.

**MIG-31** · Oct 25, 2003, 05:46 AM

1) download driver cleaner from here then install.

2)open driver cleaner then find the option "cab cleaner" then use.this removes the old 27.42 drivers from sp1.

3)remove drivers from add/remove option.

4)when asked to restart do so but when restart hold f8 then select "safe mode" from options given.

4)when in safe mode open driver cleaner for a second time then select "nvidia"then press clean. this removes any inf files windows leaves behind.

5)when complete reboot to normal,if cab cleaner is successful you should get the add hardware window instead of installing above drivers(27.42).

6)disable any anti virus software.

7)locate & install 52.16 dets.

reboot and things should be fine.

you might have conflicts from overwriting previous drivers NEVER DO THAT.

hope that sorts out your fault.

ps after option 5 you might be worth reinstalling dx9.0b and the latest chipset drivers for your mobo.

starboy · Oct 25, 2003, 05:49 AM

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there not for fx only work fine on my gf4ti4600.must say these are the best nvidia drivers i have tried for a very long time.

Agree with johny. However, i got myself a sightly performance drop in my test in FF XI, Aquamark3, OpenGL,3dmark03 & 01. but i notice my image quality looks better than the previous version 45.23. Oh forget to mention, im using GF FX 5200.

**MIG-31** · Oct 25, 2003, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by starboy
Agree with johny. However, i got myself a sightly performance drop in my test in FF XI, Aquamark3, OpenGL,3dmark03 & 01. but i notice my image quality looks better than the previous version 45.23. Oh forget to mention, im using GF FX 5200.

you could try what i posted just above you(unless you have already)

may i just ask what were your previous card to the fx5200. because the gf4 400mx is probably on par or a little better than the fx.

the fx5200 is for sale on uk sites now for around £40-£50.don't expect to much performance from the card.

ps. that is with a due respect.

from what you can maybe afford perhaps.

GerbilJammer · Oct 25, 2003, 10:36 AM

The 52.16's offer nothing but visual artifacts and weird psychadelic colors on textures in ut 2k3. All other games are slower and with visual artifacts. That is at default clock speeds for core and memory. The drivers are slower. The IQ is pityful. The 6x and 8x FSAA looks like some lame blur filter. I have a Geforce fx 5200. I suggest wait until future releases to upgrade to the Forceware drivers.

**MIG-31** · Oct 25, 2003, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by GerbilJammer
The 52.16's offer nothing but visual artifacts and weird psychadelic colors on textures in ut 2k3. All other games are slower and with visual artifacts. That is at default clock speeds for core and memory. The drivers are slower. The IQ is pityful. The 6x and 8x FSAA looks like some lame blur filter. I have a Geforce fx 5200. I suggest wait until future releases to upgrade to the Forceware drivers.

you quote you have a fx5200 i have tried ut2k3 on a mx 440 whatever drivers i had in the past with that card plus game had artifacts whist everything set to high.dissapeard when turned down a little so to me it can't be drivers must be a card issue.

also tried a fx5600 non ultra that were utter shite peformance with 256mb onboard which did not improve things much.

so i cant imagine what a £40-£50 card would be like.

with 6x & 8xfsaa on i am surprised you didn't kill your card.

specs for card.http://www.nvidia.com/page/fx_5200.html

if you wanted a reasonable performance card and wanted nvidia better of going with a gf4 ti.should find fairly cheap now fx's are around.

specs for ti's to compare both.http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4ti.html

cisco256 · Oct 25, 2003, 11:48 AM

i got the same insane boot times with gef3ti500 on win98se, with 52.16 and 45.23 drivers. this is not the first time a nvidia driver release does this on this system (soyo dragon plus, xp2000, 512mb CL2 ddr, ide raid (2x barracuda), etc). going back to old drivers kinda sucks with some new games like ufo:aftermath and homeworld2. not very stable then.

seems to me they dont give a damn about "old" geforce cards in terms of driver support. thats surely not the way its meant to be played...

GerbilJammer · Oct 26, 2003, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by johnybravo
you quote you have a fx5200 i have tried ut2k3 on a mx 440 whatever drivers i had in the past with that card plus game had artifacts whist everything set to high.dissapeard when turned down a little so to me it can't be drivers must be a card issue.

also tried a fx5600 non ultra that were utter shite peformance with 256mb onboard which did not improve things much.

so i cant imagine what a £40-£50 card would be like.

with 6x & 8xfsaa on i am surprised you didn't kill your card.

specs for card.http://www.nvidia.com/page/fx_5200.html

if you wanted a reasonable performance card and wanted nvidia better of going with a gf4 ti.should find fairly cheap now fx's are around.

specs for ti's to compare both.http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4ti.html

I didn't say I was trying to get 34287584357 FPS out of this card. I had NO ARTIFACTS at any detail level in UT2k3 prior to installing the 52.16's. I am just pointing out the 6x and 8x FSAA options aren't worthy of the number. I don't spend my time benchmarking and such. I actually play games. I wanted to make the fx 5200 owners aware of some issues with these drivers. I also got artifacting in 16 and 32 bit color. My card isn't overheating either. It is at default speeds of 250/400. With the 45.23's I can overclock to 345/430 easily. It is a PCI though. I had to get a PCI card due to the lack of an AGP slot on my motherboard. I now have a system I got for 2 dollars at a garage sale, which has an AGP slot. The system is a 733 Pentium 3 (coppermine core I think), 512 MB SDRAM, Geforce 2 GTS, and a nice pretty black case. I got all fo this for 2 dollars. Now all I need is a hard drive and a Radeon.

**MIG-31** · Oct 27, 2003, 01:45 AM

i am not criticising you i am only pointing out my opinion i just thought it might be the card not the drivers.

SAMSAMHA · Oct 27, 2003, 12:11 PM

I agree withyou but I think it's not just MY card. I guess all the new drivers are not supporting geforce3 line ccards. I think if nvidia does not support geforce 3 line cards, then it's driver should not say it's universal. that's false advertising.

**MIG-31** · Oct 27, 2003, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by SAMSAMHA
I agree withyou but I think it's not just MY card. I guess all the new drivers are not supporting geforce3 line ccards. I think if nvidia does not support geforce 3 line cards, then it's driver should not say it's universal. that's false advertising.

that might be down to how much testing they have done on older cards also.

then all the other things in between like there is that many different setups in peoples rigs to have a little consideration also.

i generally never criticise what peaple have in there rigs as to preferences are there own,financial status or that sort of stuff.

i just state that don't expect outstanding performance from cards like the fx5200 as it does stste low end range (budget card).

GerbilJammer · Oct 27, 2003, 10:11 PM

It isn't a performance issue. It is an issue with artifacts and black banding lines through textures in ALOT of older games I play. These drivers aren't polished at all. That is a shame. I am just one out of the many people who have experienced artifacts, rainbow textures, etc. If I could take screenshots I would, but it happens so fast. My eyes just seem to catch it.

**MIG-31** · Oct 28, 2003, 01:59 AM

but consider people like yourself have problems with the drivers which is expected i personally have had very few driver related problems so as for some to experience artifacts is a little strange.

kop48 · Oct 28, 2003, 02:32 AM

I've got a Geforce 3 Ti200 and these drivers seem to make games look better. I've only really tried Max Payne 2 and Battlefield1942 (oh, and Worms 3D) and they both look very good. Especially BF1942 (except for the Desert Combat bug) which I couldn't really run in anything over 800x600 if I wanted to be able to play. Now the game runs in 1024 and the textures look really nice and sharp, even if the game is only set to 'medium' detail.

The only thing that bugs me is the Desert Combat bug, even if it DOES act kinda like a wallhack sometimes (lol - unintentional cheating). Makes flying a chopper VERY interesting.. (what the....? Where's the ground?? *Ground appears, chopper bounces off it into mountain*)

Oh yeah, I forgot - for all of those people that have slow startups, get BootVis from the Microsoft website and go to the 'Trace' menu and select 'optimise'. It'll make your windows boot faster if possible. You can also do an actual trace and see what's holding up your load.

GerbilJammer · Oct 28, 2003, 11:55 AM

If I remember correctly Microsoft yanked bootvis off their website. try somewhere like www.majorgeeks.com to find bootvis.

**MIG-31** · Oct 28, 2003, 12:59 PM

found the info on microsofts site

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwdev/...t/default.mspx

might of been better if they gave some url's to it can be found.

[edit] found a link through www.askjeeves.com.

http://www.longshome.com/BootVis_file.exe for bootvis.(direct link to file)

studbagel9 · Oct 28, 2003, 01:24 PM

I wasn't too satisfied with the 52.16's or whatever the latest official iteration is. Halo 'jerked' a bit and I couldn't overclock as high.

am71ap1 · Oct 28, 2003, 07:27 PM

The sad thing is all these issues would probably be cleared up with a reformat...

kop48 · Oct 29, 2003, 05:23 AM

It's XP - usually reformats don't fix EVERYTHING that you couldn't do quite easily yourself.

**MIG-31** · Oct 29, 2003, 05:46 AM

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Originally posted by kop48
It's XP - usually reformats don't fix EVERYTHING that you couldn't do quite easily yourself.

thats if you use xp's formatting software it uses.your much better using independent formating software such as "killdisk" or "fdisc".

windows can still leave some files behind in hidden partitions.

were as killdisk formats the partition also.so you would get a clean hdd afterwards.

GerbilJammer · Oct 30, 2003, 12:19 AM

Why does everyone say... REFORMAT. I personally have only formatted once. That was on my old Win98 SE box years ago. A reformat isn't an option for me. I personally hate people that reformat every 3 days or so.

blown503 · Oct 30, 2003, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by GerbilJammer
Why does everyone say... REFORMAT. I personally have only formatted once. That was on my old Win98 SE box years ago. A reformat isn't an option for me. I personally hate people that reformat every 3 days or so.

I dual boot and work off of drive D all the time. I can reformat in about 3 mins to a basic system by starting in the first windows option. It helps with all the garbage you get from the net, too. Get all the latest drivers from the net for everything and walla! Its just like ripping a top fuel motor apart every round!

GerbilJammer · Nov 1, 2003, 06:11 AM

And you like spring cleaning why? Every heard of watch what you install? Ever heard of Spybot Search & Destroy? Ever heard of cleaning temp files and cleaning temp internet files?