tomstaudi

Dear computer-experts,

first of all sorry for my bad english, I'm from Austria.

The game Silent Hill 2 doesn't function (strictly speaking the menu and the inventory does appear but I can only see a black screen, however playing the game is no problem!). In some forums I read I need an update for my graphics driver...
My laptop is very good. Acer Travelmate 634XC (1.8Ghz, 512MB RAM,etc.).

The problem according to http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=IO_20011115_7052 is that there is no update for my chip. So I asked Acer for an update, but they only gave me an one year-old driver (http://support.acer-euro.com/drivers...ok/tm_630.html). This driver didn't solve my problem!

What can I do? Is there any possibility to get an update for my graphics-driver?

LG THOMAS


P.S.: I already wrote an e-mail to NVIDIA-Germany today - I hope that they will answer my question...

Sourcer_2002

Um i dont remember but i believe that the normal drivers that you download for desktop PC's also are unified for moblie chips as well....have you tryed the lastest drivers from nVidia's website?

tomstaudi

Thanks for your answer Sourcer_2002.

No, I have not tried it up to now, because I read the F.A.Q.:

If you’re using a notebook equipped with one of NVIDIA’s mobile GPUs, including the Geforce2 Go and Quadro2 Go, be aware that you should always obtain drivers directly from the notebook OEM. Most notebook OEMs provide special customizations and hot key support, which NVIDIA cannot supply.


But if you think, I should try it, so then I will do it.
I never made an update with NVIDIA's drivers because I always used ATI-graphic chips and i'm not familiar with NVIDIA. So is there an explaination somewhere in the internet how to do an update with detonator? Do I just have to download the latest detonator-version and install it? Is this just a simple setup? Or is it more difficult? You must know I'm not an computer-expert...

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tomstaudi

O.K. guys, I installed the latest detonator, but there seems to be a problem.

After rebooting everything went unchanged, there is still the old driver installed!!! Nothing has changed. He has not found the new driver. Maybe there is a lock, which prevents you from installing it.

I'm frustrated now. I will sell my game and forget the whole story.

I do know now, why I like ATI so much! ****Nvidia :-)

I wasted my time.

LG THOMAS

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Matth

What driver version do you have, as you may find later ones at other sites - and what OS?

http://support.dell.com/FileLib/Type...&DeviceID=1002

This looks promising!


There is also the trick of patching the install file with additional PCI IDs

Matth

On checking a PCI DEVICE list, it seems the Geforce2Go uses a device ID of 112 - NOT present in the normal driver set.

To fake it - no guarantee that it'll work. Unpack the driver set with a suitable archiver.

Find the main inf file, and in the
[Mfg] section, add
%NVIDIA&DEV_0112.DeviceDesc% = NV10, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0112

(if different, just copy and edit the line for _0111)

And in the
[Strings] sectin near the end, add
NVIDIA&DEV_0112.DeviceDesc="Nvidia Geforce2Go"


No gurantee that it'll work, but is should make the driver set install - if wrong, you could be looking at FORMAT and REINSTALL - PS. I'm looking at a Win98 driver set, it should be the same procedure for 2000/XP

tomstaudi

Thanks, Matth for your efforts.

OS: Win XP Professional
My driver version is 3.1.0.0. Biosinformationen: 3.11.0153
I'm using specified ACER-Drivers!!!!
Your link is a Dell-Driver. You're right it looks promising, but don't you think it will hurt the system unsing the wrong driver????

I actually don't know, what you're talking about. I will ask a friend to translate that tomorrow...

And if not?? You write, it seems...! I don't want to destroy my graphic-card by doing such experiments. Im not an expert, but it seems a little dangerous to me.

Oh, what do you mean by that? Reinstalling, formatting the harddisk?? No, I want to avoid reinstalling, because I actually use my laptop for my studies...!

Today I tried to play Enter the matrix-->doesn't function because it needs DirectX9, and i cannot install iDX9, because of my old drivers.

Therefore I better sell my games, than risking to reformat.

I hope you have further solutions...

LG THOMAS

EDIT: I found a cool website: http://www.2good4you.net/phpnuke/mod...p?name=1FileDB
The admin of this website promises a functional GeForce2Go-Driver! I tried this modification, but it didn't run! I wrote him, maybe he will repair this driver... I would be very happy then :-)

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Matth

This one?
http://2good4you.net/fileDB/pafiledb...ion=file&id=37

I would say the Dell driver ought to be pretty safe - as you've already found - if it doesn't like the driver, it won't install it.


The 3.1.0.0 sounds like it might be 31.00 - and I'm surprised DX9 won't take it - DX9 should be able to work with drivers from DX7 up, and this is a Directx 8 driver.

The FULL version shown for the driver - in advanced display properties, should be 6.13.??.3100 - if my guess is right.


http://download.guru3d.com/pafiledb....on=file&id=588
This gives you a hacked INF file (actually for 43.00, but apparently usable with most 40+ driver sets) with ALL the id's in place - much along the lines of my suggested edit.

In XP, you should take a restore point before trying nonstandard drivers, but it looks like one Nvidia is very much like another - people are ALWAYS grabbing latest drivers from ANY maker.

I'd say - try the DELL - they should either load, or they won't.

tomstaudi

Hi Matth! Thanks again!

Yep, I meant this one! You're right. The admin answered he will update his drivers next week. I'm excited...

I tried it. No reaction, No update, he doesn't like the driver!

Yes, it reads 6.13.10.3100! (Date: 30.07.2002)

Now I dare to install DX9 and "Enter the matrix" functions. Juhuuu! I was a little bit anxious, because after you have installed DX9, you cannot delete it and I thought that my card is not compatible... O.k. I was wrong.

But Silent Hill2 still has the same problem as before: The game functions, the inventory and the menu not! So it must be a driver problem.

Thanks for the link. I will not try it now. First I wait for the modified detonator from the admin, because I don't want to make something wrong.


Have a nice sunday, Matth!

LG THOMAS

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Matth

http://forums.techguy.org/t135078/sd...6b10e1d03.html
You may be able to adapt the "hack" for Silent hill 2 here (which resolved some display problems)

Some were having trouble with movies, others with Menus and inventory



A brief rundown on DX9

DirectX9 will interface with DX9, DX8 and DX7 drivers (with DX6 drivers, you will be advised to obtain the FULL "reference rasteriser" from the SDK ... for accurate, but VERY slow operation)

The Geforce (256 / 2 / 2MX / 2GO / 4MX) hardware is only DX7 capable, with the Detonator drivers being DX8 from the late 20.xx versions, and DX9 in current 44.x versions.

The DX8 feature "point sprites" (often used for impact dust clouds) - is apparently emulated using the texture & lighting engine by the Dx8 or better drivers.


From those trouble reports, I doubt that 44.x drivers would be the end of that problem

tomstaudi

I already found this site before. They are only talking about FX 5600.

Matth, do you know how I can find out my PCI DEVICE NUMBER? In the forum above stands: "open the Registry Editor and search for VEN_10DE..." But I didn't found this. Maybe because I have a german WIN XP?

Here I list my device.fix file from Silent Hill 2:
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// single line comments allowed and tabs before main token (VENDOR, DEVICE, DRIVER, HACK)

// HACK can be at 3 levels and will be applied in order (VENDOR, DEVICE, DRIVER)
// DRIVERs can overlap and HACK will be applied in file order

// example
// VENDOR FOO 9999
// HACK BROKE_IT 1
// DEVICE BAR 9999
// HACK BUG1 0
// DRIVER a 00000000 00000000 - 00050000 08870C1D
// HACK BUG1 1
// DRIVER a 00007000 00000000 - 7FFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
// HACK BUG2 2

// ------------ NVidia -------------------

VENDOR OLD_NVIDIA 12D2
HACK DX_CONFIG_CARD_TOTALLY_BROKEN 1
DEVICE Riva128 0018 0019
// looks like alot of non pixel shader GF can't do Non POW2 properly (the screw up screen space UV sometimes!)
VENDOR NVIDIA 10DE

// -- TNT ---
DEVICE TNT 0020 0021 0022 0023 0024 0025 0026 0027
// turn special effects off on TNT and lower texture memory
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_FOG_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_SHADOWS_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_LENS_FLARE_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_MOTION_BLUR_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_DEPTH_OF_FIELD_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_LORES_TEXTURES 1

// --- TNT2 Family ---
// RIVATNT2 0x0028
// RIVATNT2ULTRA 0x0029
// VANTA 0x002C
// RIVATNT2M64 0x002D
// ALADDINTNT2 0x00A0
DEVICE TNT2 0028 0029 002C 002D 00A0
// turn special effects off on TNT2
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_FOG_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_SHADOWS_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_LENS_FLARE_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_MOTION_BLUR_ON 0
HACK DX_CONFIG_EFFECT_DEPTH_OF_FIELD_ON 0

// --- Geforce 256 ---
// GEFORCESDR 0x0100
// GEFORCEDDR 0x0101
// GEFORCEQUADRO 0x0103
DEVICE Geforce 0100 0101 0103
// lens flare effect causes random polys
HACK DX_CONFIG_CREATE_RENDER_TARGET_BROKEN 1

// AFAIK Win9x = 4000d, Win2000 = Certification?, WinXP = 6000d
// Win9x
DRIVER Win9xUVBroken 00000000 00000000 - 00004000d 00010c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// NVStat?
DRIVER Win2000UVBroken 00050001 00000000 - 00050001 07d104d7
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// WinXP
DRIVER WinXPUVBroken 0006000d 00000000 - 0006000d 000a0c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect

// --- Geforce 2MX ---
// GEFORCE2MX 0x0110
// GEFORCE2MX400 0x0110
// GEFORCE2MX100 0x0111
// GEFORCE2MX200 0x0111
// QUADRO2Go 0x0113
// QUADRO2MXR 0x0113
// QUADRO2EX 0x0113
DEVICE Geforce_2MX 0110 0111 0113
// AFAIK Win9x = 4000d, WinXP = 6000d
// Win9x
DRIVER Win9xUVBroken 00000000 00000000 - 00004000d 00010c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// NVStat?
DRIVER Win2000UVBroken 00050001 00000000 - 00050001 07d104d7
HACK DX_CONFIG_US_ENON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// WinXP
DRIVER WinXPUVBroken 0006000d 00000000 - 0006000d 000a0c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect

// --- Geforce 2 ---
// GEFORCE2GTS 0x0150
// GEFORCE2TI 0x0151
// GEFORCE2ULTRA 0x0152
// QUADRO2PRO 0x0153
DEVICE Geforce_2 0150 0151 0152 0153
// AFAIK Win9x = 4000d, Win2000 = 50001, WinXP = 6000d
// Win9x
DRIVER Win9xUVBroken 00000000 00000000 - 00004000d 00010c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// NVStat?
DRIVER Win2000UVBroken 00050001 00000000 - 00050001 07d104d7
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// WinXP
DRIVER WinXPUVBroken 0006000d 00000000 - 0006000d 000a0c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect

// --- Geforce 4MX ---
// GEFORCE4MX460 0x0170
// GEFORCE4MX440 0x0171
// GEFORCE4MX420 0x0172
// GEFORCE4440GO 0x0174
// GEFORCE4420GO 0x0175
// GEFORCE4420GO32 0x0176
// GEFORCE4440GO64 0x0179
// QUADRO4500XGL 0x0178
// QUADRO4550XGL 0x0178
DEVICE Geforce_4MX 0170 0171 0172 0174 0175 0176 0179 0178
// AFAIK Win9x = 4000d, Win2000 = 50001, WinXP = 6000d
// Win9x
DRIVER Win9xUVBroken 00000000 00000000 - 00004000d 00010c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// NVStat?
DRIVER Win2000UVBroken 00050001 00000000 - 00050001 07d104d7
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect
// WinXP
DRIVER WinXPUVBroken 0006000d 00000000 - 0006000d 000a0c0a
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0 // uv incorrect

// --- QUADRO4200NVS --
DEVICE Quadro_4200NVS 017A
// --- GEFORCE2INTERGRATEDGPU ---
[COLOR=darkred]DEVICE Geforce_2IntergratedGPU 01A0[/COLOR]

// --- Geforce 3 ---
// GEFORCE3 0x0200
// GEFORCE3TI200 0x0201
// GEFORCE3TI500 0x0202
// QUADRODCC 0x0203
DEVICE Geforce_3 0200 0201 0202 0203

// --- Geforce 4 ---
// GEFORCE4TI4600 0x0250
// GEFORCE4TI4400 0x0251
// GEFORCE4TI4200 0x0253
DEVICE Geforce_4 0250 0251 0253

// --- QUADRO4900XGL ---
DEVICE Quadro_4900XGL 0258
// --- QUADRO4750XGL ---
DEVICE Quadro_4750XGL 0259

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Maybe the one in red is mine? I don't know.

Or do you think I should start a new line Geforce2Go?

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tomstaudi

Geforce2Go has NO PIXEL SHADER support as I read in Internet now. So this is the problem, I just have to deactivate this in device.fix. But how???

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tomstaudi

YIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE!!!! Juhuu!

I did it! Eyerything is functioning now!

I made this entries to the device.fix:

// --- Geforce2 GO ---
// GEFORCE2GO 0x112
DEVICE Geforce2 GO 0112
HACK DX_CONFIG_USE_NON_POW2_TEXTURES 0


I do thank you a lot, Matth!!! I'll return the favour one day.

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Matth

Happy gaming - though if it wants DX9, a Geforce 2 based display system may be a shade3 weak for it (turn off excess eyecandy!)

112 was my guess at the Id before

The method, if it works in WinXp (I'm on 98)

Open Regedit, expand key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
Expand key Enum
Expand key PCI

The Ven/DEV entries should be visible there (Subsys and revision allow even closer pinning down of devices, or driver features specific to certain hardware versions)

I had an OEM version Creative soundcard, and had to go hunting for best drivers