Shimmer shimmer... on the walls....

Mayro · Sep 8, 2005, 10:47 AM

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09...58_shimmering/

Not ATI too.....

Grrrr......

Anyone else want drivers that arent useing optimizations that degrade quality?

cswiger · Sep 8, 2005, 12:27 PM

Why, yes, I agree with you, but lots of people want faster framerates more than the best possible image quality.

Anti-aliasing can cover up a multitude of glitches and tends to help with shimmering. But as others have pointed out, apparently you can't combine MSAA with alpha-tested textures, which means that things like chain-link fences tend to look kinda ugly sometimes. I'd rather display in a higher resolution than use AA, and I'd rather turn on 8x anisotropic filtering rather than AA (the ripple effect of floors without aniso bothers me more than jaggies do, especially if your FPS is close to or better than your Vsync refresh rate)

pr0digal jenius · Sep 8, 2005, 12:38 PM

next thing i know my laptop and it's intel chip will be shimmering

Mayro · Sep 8, 2005, 02:18 PM

Im just happy that I dont notice it, im a image quality guy. You know, the idiot whos running around in CSS at 35 FPS becuase he would rather suck at the game than see a choppy line?

That and this pentium 4 doesnt help much for keeping the frames up. Next processor is definatly a AMD unless intel pulls a BIG rabbit outa the hat.

Dark Lord · Sep 8, 2005, 02:32 PM

this is nothing new. ive seen it in Doom3 and CS:S since they both first came out. with newer drivers though, i havnt seen them as much, if at all.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Sep 8, 2005, 04:50 PM

The WTF Comment on the last picture seems appropriate

MSX · Sep 8, 2005, 04:56 PM

AF is supposed to combat this... and frankly I have not seen one shimmer for a few years. Till I installed the omega5.8a's.

The regular drivers were fine, but still did the texture corruption thing my card has been doing. Interestingly enough texture corruption started in other games with the fix to texture corruption in BF2. In any case I'm stuck with the dreaded shimmer in BF2, as its not as bad as the texture corruption.

Necrosis · Sep 8, 2005, 06:12 PM

So it's only one game so far, and BF2 doesn't count. It's fubared all by itself.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 8, 2005, 09:18 PM

for HL2make sure you set ...
r_lod 0
in the games config file!

fixes a buch of "map" issuesdue to level of detail,
but yea ther is very light shimmering

Bf2, far as I care doesnt exist untill 1.3 patch rolls

Sep 8, 2005, 10:47 AM	#1
Mayro -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 174 Rep Power: 0	Shimmer shimmer... on the walls.... http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09...58_shimmering/ Not ATI too..... Grrrr...... Anyone else want drivers that arent useing optimizations that degrade quality?

Sep 8, 2005, 12:27 PM	#2
cswiger DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 252 Rep Power: 0	Why, yes, I agree with you, but lots of people want faster framerates more than the best possible image quality. Anti-aliasing can cover up a multitude of glitches and tends to help with shimmering. But as others have pointed out, apparently you can't combine MSAA with alpha-tested textures, which means that things like chain-link fences tend to look kinda ugly sometimes. I'd rather display in a higher resolution than use AA, and I'd rather turn on 8x anisotropic filtering rather than AA (the ripple effect of floors without aniso bothers me more than jaggies do, especially if your FPS is close to or better than your Vsync refresh rate) __________________ Do you remember Shalebridge Cradle? Beware! The Cradle doesn't forget.... AMD Opteron 185 @ 2.6GHz/200HTT \| 2GB G.Skill DDR3200 @ 2-3-2-5/1T \| 512MB eVGA 8800GT @ 600/1800 \| SB Audigy 2ZS eX, Outlaw 1050 6.1ch amp, Paradigm speakers \| MSI K8N Diamond Plus mainboard \| black Lian-Li USB68 case + Foxconn FX600-GLN 600W PSU \| 2xWDC3200AAKS (RAID1) \| Sony GDM-F500R CRT, BENQ G2400W LCD

Sep 8, 2005, 02:32 PM	#5
Dark Lord DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,584 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	this is nothing new. ive seen it in Doom3 and CS:S since they both first came out. with newer drivers though, i havnt seen them as much, if at all. __________________

Sep 8, 2005, 09:18 PM	#9
The_Neon_Cowboy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,135 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	for HL2make sure you set ... r_lod 0 in the games config file! fixes a buch of "map" issuesdue to level of detail, but yea ther is very light shimmering Bf2, far as I care doesnt exist untill 1.3 patch rolls __________________

Sep 8, 2005, 12:38 PM	#3
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	next thing i know my laptop and it's intel chip will be shimmering

Sep 8, 2005, 02:18 PM	#4
Mayro -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 174 Rep Power: 0	Im just happy that I dont notice it, im a image quality guy. You know, the idiot whos running around in CSS at 35 FPS becuase he would rather suck at the game than see a choppy line? That and this pentium 4 doesnt help much for keeping the frames up. Next processor is definatly a AMD unless intel pulls a BIG rabbit outa the hat.

Sep 8, 2005, 04:50 PM	#6
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	The WTF Comment on the last picture seems appropriate

Sep 8, 2005, 04:56 PM	#7
MSX Burning the frozen... Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,202 Rep Power: 0	AF is supposed to combat this... and frankly I have not seen one shimmer for a few years. Till I installed the omega5.8a's. The regular drivers were fine, but still did the texture corruption thing my card has been doing. Interestingly enough texture corruption started in other games with the fix to texture corruption in BF2. In any case I'm stuck with the dreaded shimmer in BF2, as its not as bad as the texture corruption.