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Jun 20, 2005, 06:27 AM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
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ATi Catalyst Future
HEXUS has managed to get an early peak at the latest ATI Catalyst report which covers features made available in Catalyst releases and gives you the 'heads up' on upcoming releases and what features those will have. http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjk0
It pretty much sums up as:
- New CCC wizard which will run in 640x480.
- Emerald MCE (Media Center Edition) support.
- Catalyst AI will figure out the best performance solution for your set-up such as Alternate frame rendering, scissor and super-tiling modes for both D3D and OpenGL apps.
- Crossfire will enable new anti-aliasing modes of 8x through to 14x.
- Crossfire promises performance improvements of up to 100% with initial support on RADEON X800s and X850s.
- Control Panel is coming to the end of it’s life and 8.16, August, will be the last driver to support it.
- CCC will become the only UI available and from 8.17, September, only CCC will supported.
- All next gen ATI products will support CCC only.
Some interesting information for ATi users.
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Jun 20, 2005, 06:50 AM
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Hezbollah supporter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gefle, Sweden
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Originally Posted by m|Ke
- CCC will become the only UI available and from 8.17, September, only CCC will supported.
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Good to know. I hope and expect that they will keep offering separated downloads.
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Jun 20, 2005, 07:08 AM
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Rolling the Hard Six
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Lock Haven, PA
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Are 8.16 and 8.17 dates or future catalyst driver versions you're referring to?
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Jun 20, 2005, 07:24 AM
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Murdering a Pint
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Right here godammmit!!
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Originally Posted by m|Ke
- Control Panel is coming to the end of it’s life and 8.16, August, will be the last driver to support it.
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bit worrying as the poll on the mainpage clearly shows that nearly 50% of voters prefer the classic control panel ...... me included 
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Jun 20, 2005, 09:19 AM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 48
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Originally Posted by m|Ke
- CCC will become the only UI available and from 8.17, September, only CCC will supported.
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That's bad news, very bad news. 
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Jun 20, 2005, 09:57 AM
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Noise? What noise?
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 6,797
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Looks like they finally decided to make the move
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Jun 20, 2005, 07:37 PM
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Avril Fan
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p
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they shouldnt thou, not while there is still many users that dont like/hate the CCC
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Jun 20, 2005, 10:22 PM
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DH Admirer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 239
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I don't even install the control panel, CC or CCC, with the drivers. Good ol' ATT has all I need, without the bloat. Probably won't ever need to worry about CCC as I am going through some very surprising support with a ticket I submitted to ATI. First time I ever submitted a ticket to ATI and expected first class solutions.
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Jun 20, 2005, 10:38 PM
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In Fedor We Trust
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Ottawa , Canada
Posts: 3,851
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omegadrivers to the rescue! Currenly thats the only way to get AI without the stupid laggy CCpanel. ATI is really pissing me off with this move and I hope it backfires on them. I dont care how much they tweak it the CCpanel is bloatware and everyone knows it.
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Jun 20, 2005, 11:06 PM
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Avril Fan
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p
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Originally Posted by Poppi
I don't even install the control panel, CC or CCC, with the drivers. Good ol' ATT has all I need, without the bloat. Probably won't ever need to worry about CCC as I am going through some very surprising support with a ticket I submitted to ATI. First time I ever submitted a ticket to ATI and expected first class solutions.
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I hear you, if it wasnt cauze i need to turn AGP to 4x i would not even install Ati's CP, but still is good to have the CP to some single changes
I'll keep saying this anyway: bad move ATI, bad move
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Jun 21, 2005, 12:34 AM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
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Originally Posted by OmegaRED
omegadrivers to the rescue! Currenly thats the only way to get AI without the stupid laggy CCpanel. ATI is really pissing me off with this move and I hope it backfires on them. I dont care how much they tweak it the CCpanel is bloatware and everyone knows it.
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Absolutely 100% correct! If they do ditch the standard Control Panel, then somethings gone seriously wrong...CCC is just plain pathetic. 
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Jun 21, 2005, 01:14 AM
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DriverHeaven Addict
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Virginia, USA
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actually with 5.6 CCC is actually running good for me, so if they improve it anymore then it will run as good as CP.
I also think that many of the people that voted probably just voted for the one they use, whether they really gave the others a chance or not.
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Jun 21, 2005, 02:52 AM
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In Fedor We Trust
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Ottawa , Canada
Posts: 3,851
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Have you noticed 75% of the fixes on each Ati driver are CCC problems? Honestly I get the feeling ATI is going the norton antivirus route of making an attractive looking application that does everything the CP does but with added cpu/mem usage. That time could be spend on giving us real fixes instead of these phantom performance increases.
The oldschool CP works perfect for me and according to the driver release notes it doesnt require many fixes these days so why cant ATI continue to give us both versions and keep us all happy. 
Last edited by OmegaRED; Jun 21, 2005 at 03:06 AM.
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Jun 21, 2005, 08:30 AM
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DriverHeaven Newbie
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When ATI talk about 8.17, does that mean 2008, 3 years in the future? Or am I thinking like a donkey here? 
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Jun 21, 2005, 08:36 AM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
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Well this would only encourage people to down load the Omega, Unian, and NGO drivers. SO if you do not like the CCC is would be your way out.
as for the CCC i personally do not like it, because its has alot of issues that needs to be resolved before i would ever use the CCC. Like the shut down hang, eats alot of resource, and few other things. 
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Jun 21, 2005, 08:58 PM
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Noise? What noise?
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Canada
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Originally Posted by Shadow Lady
they shouldnt thou, not while there is still many users that dont like/hate the CCC
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Yeah but they're not thinking about that...they're thinking in terms of long term integration with Longhorn I believe.
Which would be better for ATI since they'd have a jump on nVidia, presupposing that Longhorn is heavily .NET based
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Jun 22, 2005, 01:23 PM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Woot!
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Originally Posted by Xophile
When ATI talk about 8.17, does that mean 2008, 3 years in the future? Or am I thinking like a donkey here? 
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8.17 would be like cat 5.9 if i'm thinking right ... aka september
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Jun 22, 2005, 01:59 PM
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Avril Fan
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p
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Originally Posted by yoda133113
actually with 5.6 CCC is actually running good for me, so if they improve it anymore then it will run as good as CP.
I also think that many of the people that voted probably just voted for the one they use, whether they really gave the others a chance or not.
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well, actually yeah but they use it cauze they feel fine using it right? if not they would search/use other right? so those votes are quite fine anyway
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Jun 23, 2005, 12:37 AM
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DriverHeaven Addict
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Originally Posted by Shadow Lady
well, actually yeah but they use it cauze they feel fine using it right? if not they would search/use other right? so those votes are quite fine anyway
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While true, should that mean we should never upgrade if we are happy, cause if so, we wouldn't be using computers or any other modern technology, cause all of that stuff was invented as an improvement, but we felt fine before those things were invented. CCC is the future as far as ATi is concerned, and nVidia will have a .net control panel of their own eventually (if not already, i dunno) and they will have to force the issue eventually, so why not now, if they waited til next year, they would get complaints then.
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Jun 23, 2005, 03:23 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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IMO: To many people dragging thier feet over moveing to CCC and it's not going to change
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Jun 23, 2005, 03:55 AM
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DriverHeaven Member
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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
IMO: To many people dragging thier feet over moveing to CCC and it's not going to change
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They are probably dragging their feet because the CCC is terrible when compared to the regular CP. 
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Jun 23, 2005, 04:43 AM
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DriverHeaven Lover
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Ati's cooperation with microsoft leads company to such decisions.If you look with care,after this event is happened,Cat. 5.6 is released with fully hardware supported WMV acceleration.If .NET will be embedded to Longhorn kernel(makes .NET run faster,like IE) , and also ati improves CCC softtware , result CCC will be like control panel.
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Jun 23, 2005, 11:41 AM
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Noise? What noise?
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Canada
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Not to some people.
CP would run even faster I bet.
But to be honest CCC works so well I don't see why people would get mad 
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Jun 23, 2005, 03:20 PM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan
They are probably dragging their feet because the CCC is terrible when compared to the regular CP. 
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That a matter of openion, I like CCC it far better then that old classic control panel
in my eyes. A good 70 % of people hate .net with a passion wich is the root of why
they don't like it for quite a few.
When you focred to use it you might acually learn like it, actualy give it a chance.
It kinda like that bit of food your parents are trying to get you try try that tases
awesome but you reluntant to try for what ever reason...
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Jun 24, 2005, 10:01 AM
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Noise? What noise?
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Canada
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Well soon they won't have a choice apparantly....the parents will be using the proverbial brute force method to get the food in 
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Jun 24, 2005, 11:55 AM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 773
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well perhaps they are so confidetn that they resolved the major issues in CCC as they are so bold and perhaps a bit too daring to skip the ol´good CP so maybe it won´t take up a lot of resources as it does today so if they are to get this to be what they expect then they gotta be like 2000% sure this is the best thing for future cat drivers if not ohh man
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Jun 24, 2005, 05:32 PM
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MedicalEntropy
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 294
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CCC for 5.6 is not bad.
I just hate the CLI.exe X 2 running on like 10 megs of my ram each.
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Jun 24, 2005, 07:14 PM
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