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Old Jan 18, 2005, 08:03 AM   #61
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Anybody else notice something odd ..... like everytime i right click on my desktop, it tries to reinstall the ATI Catalyst control panel???? weird stuff.........
Same here, went back to previous CCC which works fine.
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 11:02 AM   #62
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These drivers are very nice! BFME seemed to be a little bit smoother for me.
Only it didn't fix my freeze problem in battlefield, but I am almost sure that that problem doesn't have anything to do with the catalyst drivers.
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 11:32 AM   #63
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Benchmarks for me about the same. I had been using Omega & these seem as good or better on Madden 2005 & UNderground 2.
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Haven't had a lot of time with em, but no glaring issues and minute gains in 3dmark 01' 03 and 05 (less than 100points). I use the old CP and Radlinker with some meaty overclocking on the card and the machine. This only on my x800XT PE. Haven't tried my daughter's 9800pro or my wife's 9700 pro yet. One thing to to try n understand here folks is that there is only so much that can be done in driver software to improve performance. The part itself places limitations on the driver team. I only say this because it seems like some guys expect a 10 -20% percent boost with every release which is not reasonable or possible. It would be miraculous if you got 10% due to drivers over the life of your card. Improvements can be made, but there is no magic at work here. The performance you got when you bought your card is pretty much the range you're going to see. You may get a LITTLE more in specific games. Your own machine configuration will have infinitely more to do with your machine's performance than new drivers. Bug fixes are a whole different discussion, but I still maintain my view that most, not all, problems have more to do with individual machines than anybody's drivers.
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Have not had to much to try these drivers out,but so far they are running well,particularly on the older games as q3 & wolfenstein.need to try out far cry and hl2 soon.

each driver seems to improve in my oinion.
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My profile shortcuts for Video Gamma and 3D Gamma died after upgrading to those drivers. Had to remake them.

Other than that I don't see the promised "CCC should start faster now".
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 02:17 PM   #67
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I have a problem with 5.1 driver!!!

This version(5.1) can be installed on my Sony V505MCP using mobility 9200 without being modified,but in the game warcraft III Frozon Throne there is something wrong with default D3D API.
I have two pictures:
This is when I am using the default D3D API.

This is when using opengl api.
Please see the center of the two pictures,the one below(opengl) is correct.
So help!!!
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 02:28 PM   #68
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Hmmm...same problem as before. All D3D apps I tested have heavy textrue corruption/missing (e.g. 3DMark01,03, NHL 04, NFSU1+2, HL², Flat Out) on my 8500 BbA.

Only Omega's 2.5.90 drivers fix this issue, as mentioned in his readme.
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 02:40 PM   #69
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 04:40 PM   #70
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Hi, I've got a problem with the last two Cat. drivers. I run the setup, it extracts the files, then starts running the setup for the driver - but then stops right there, before the subwindow for the driver setup pops up, and says:

"Setup failed to run installation: (0x80040707)"

So I press OK, and it closes it all. I've previously had no problems installing ATI drivers. I'm not a noob at this, so don't bother suggesting 'uninstall your previous drivers' or whatnot. It only started doing this with the official release of 4.12. I had the 4.12 BETA drivers installed fine before that, with no problems (and that's what I'm using right now, since those are the latest I can install).

I've searched and found several cases on this problem, but no fixes for this exact error. The others usually get additional stuff about missing dll files, etc. I don't get that. I also found where they supposedly found a fix for their error, by making sure there's a "Desktop" folder under "Documents and Settings\All Users\" I already have a Desktop folder there, so it obviously doesn't fix my problem.

I have .Net framework installed. Also, I'm using XP SP1, and my brother who also is using SP1, installs the drivers fine.

ANY help is very much appreciated. Thanks!

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Old Jan 18, 2005, 05:04 PM   #71
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Thanks Terry!

Just curious, but are there any plans on improvements for World of Warcraft? I get a lot of flashing textures on my laptop at the start up of the game with the 4.12 set (I understand that these weren't meant for a laptop, but it's an ATI chip nonetheless ). They eventually disappaer after about 5 to 10 minutes, but not completely. There will still be some flashing textures every now and then. Not sure if this has been discussed before, but I haven't had time to get on DH in a while
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 05:18 PM   #72
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Use ATI Tray tools. It's better than the old CP and does everything the new CCC does plus more.
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 05:24 PM   #73
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Sad 1st time i have ever had probs with cat drivers

Hi,

I just installed the cat 5.1 driver and everything seemed fine. Later on when i rebooted pc, it loaded 1/2 way and just b4 desktop comes up screen went black and stayed that way.

Keeps doing that.

Loaded it up in safe mode and then told it to restart. I managed to get it to load up. I just un-installed cat 5.1 CCC and tried to re-install cat 4.12 CCC.

Everything was fine untill right at the end of the CCC installtion, it error comes up sayin:

" Internal Error 2203. C:\Windows\Installerz2490d.msi, - 2147287008"

Says to reboot pc, i do and i have the driver installed but no CCC.
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 05:37 PM   #74
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@someone's attack dog,

The thing I really wanted to say was there has been significantly less people posting concerning ATI radeon drivers on this board or at "the other" one. And it has been quite awhile now ...

On the other board, i thnk it was Dec. 17-20 or something, someone was talking about 5.1 being done, they are running/testing 5.2 and alpha 5.3 driver or something, forgot which thread was it ... At any rate, my second point is i hope ATI would release another unsupported beta on their site, like last time.

That's it. Thanks.
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 05:38 PM   #75
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 07:09 PM   #76
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Just wanted to say that the 5.1s, or should I say the newest CCC, didn't like the .NET 2.0 betas. I had that installed and the ccc would only execute once each Windows session. I clicked on the launch icons (desktop, startmenu, and systray) and nothing would happen. I'd have to restart windows for it to work, and even then I could only get into it once and then I'd have to restart again. I rolled back to the .NET 1.1s and all is gravy. Anyone having launch problems and using 2.0 may wanna put the 1.1s back on and see if it helps; worked for me !
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Old Jan 18, 2005, 07:16 PM   #77
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On the other board it was also explained by Sireric that they dont release hotfix drivers unless there is a significant problem that needs fixing or a major game has a horrible bug that makes it unplayable

Without such criteria then no you wont get a hotfix driver
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I believe the combined package for the 5.1 driver is corrupted,(normal CP).This install produced extremely poor textures in FS2004. Downloading and installing the separate driver and normal CP files however produced normal results.

This the first driver to "reduce DVI frequency on hi-resolution displays. This driver also sets "alternate DVI operational" which has always been the default install for my system.

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Old Jan 18, 2005, 07:25 PM   #79
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Use ATI Tray tools. It's better than the old CP and does everything the new CCC does plus more.
I normally used Ray Adam's Tray tool but i found an issue with it that
the CCC don't have: If you want to switch from AA/AF by the CP to AA/AF application controlled and start HL2/CSS the setting won't work, AA/AF remains CP controlled. The CCC does this job good.

For everything else Ati Tray Tools rocks, it's FAST (acces) and has a lot more features than CCC. However a prettier skin would be nice, it's very plain looking.

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???

How come i have never had any probs with catalyst drivers before and all of a sudden i do with the latest catalyst 5.1 driver?

It makes my pc hang, whenever i restart pc with this driver? PC almost loads up, but just b4 desktop comes up screen goes black?

Had to go back to catalyst 4.12.

It's ok this time, cos there are no real perofmance improvements inthe5.1 driver. BUT i am sure later on in the year new drivers willhavesome and i will want to use them.

Is this just a one off? i hope so
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Old Jan 20, 2005, 09:36 AM   #81
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Old Jan 21, 2005, 03:18 AM   #82
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WinXP Prof. SP1 does not boot anymore after installation of Catalyst Control Center 5

WinXP Prof. SP1 does not boot anymore after installation of Catalyst Control Center 5.1 (CCC).

What I have done: First install Catalyst Drivers 5.1, then reboot, then install CCC 5.1, reboot -> failure.

The only way to startup WinXP is the protected mode (de: "abgesicherter Modus"). Last known good and WinXP system recovery do not help or fix the problem.

My approach to solve this major issue, is to get rid of the CCC, but I was not able to this until now.

I am not able to uninstall CCC in protected mode via control panel/software, because of being in the protected mode and/or the windows installer does not work in this mode for the CCC.


Does anyone knows, how to uninstall CCC manually?
The ATI tool "cat-uninstall" does not do this job. Same is true for the DHCleaner 3.0


Thank you.
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Old Jan 21, 2005, 03:46 AM   #83
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To stop CCC running at startup remove the shortcut from the startup folder in your startmenu and edit your registry to stop cli.exe being called from the "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Current version\Run" section. Reboot windows normally and try uninstalling the drivers now. Obviously this will only work if it is actually the CCC that is causing your problems.

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WinXP Prof. SP1 does not boot anymore after installation of Catalyst Control Center 5.1 (CCC).

What I have done: First install Catalyst Drivers 5.1, then reboot, then install CCC 5.1, reboot -> failure.

The only way to startup WinXP is the protected mode (de: "abgesicherter Modus"). Last known good and WinXP system recovery do not help or fix the problem.

My approach to solve this major issue, is to get rid of the CCC, but I was not able to this until now.

I am not able to uninstall CCC in protected mode via control panel/software, because of being in the protected mode and/or the windows installer does not work in this mode for the CCC.


Does anyone knows, how to uninstall CCC manually?
The ATI tool "cat-uninstall" does not do this job. Same is true for the DHCleaner 3.0


Thank you.
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Old Jan 21, 2005, 04:11 AM   #84
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Thank you for that advise:
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To stop CCC running at startup remove the shortcut from the startup folder in your startmenu and edit your registry to stop cli.exe being called from the "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Current version\Run" section. Reboot windows normally and try uninstalling the drivers now. Obviously this will only work if it is actually the CCC that is causing your problems.
I am not sure, if this will work, because the boot is blocked in a very early phase. It is before the logon screen, just after BIOS messages during display of the WinXP logo with the progess bar.
But I will try it, when I am at home again.
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They are now available. Comments in this thread please. And please vote for them and the new CCC. (mods insert link)

Rate Catalyst 5.1 (CCC only)

Rate Catalyst 5.1 (Driver only)


Also in the meantime I have been notified about the most in depth CATALYST review I have ever seen in my life. Its only in German now but at least graphs are universal. I am hoping to see it in English soon
[color=#800080]http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/cata...ibervergleich/[/color]
hi
I'm on WinXP - Pro SP2 and just installed the 5.1 CCC for the first time.
I've got a problem with the runtime not loading after reboot.
and so the CCC doesn't load. which means that I have to go into the start menu and run the Restart Runtime app in the advanced menu...

why is that ??? and how can I solve this???
is this problem will continue I will be forced to uninstall the CCC and go back to the old CP..



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WinXP Prof. SP1 does not boot anymore after installation of Catalyst Control Center 5.1 (CCC).

What I have done: First install Catalyst Drivers 5.1, then reboot, then install CCC 5.1, reboot -> failure.

The only way to startup WinXP is the protected mode (de: "abgesicherter Modus"). Last known good and WinXP system recovery do not help or fix the problem.

My approach to solve this major issue, is to get rid of the CCC, but I was not able to this until now.

I am not able to uninstall CCC in protected mode via control panel/software, because of being in the protected mode and/or the windows installer does not work in this mode for the CCC.


Does anyone knows, how to uninstall CCC manually?
The ATI tool "cat-uninstall" does not do this job. Same is true for the DHCleaner 3.0


Thank you.
I found this in the ATI Knowledgebase about CCC 5.1: (http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4217.html)
Data corruption may occur if the Large System Cache feature is enabled in Windows XP

This symptom does not occur on all systems. The key ingredients that lead to this symptom may include:
  1. System Memory greater than 512 Meg. (1 gigabyte of RAM is common)
  2. Large NTFS disk volumes. And multiple large volumes. (60-100 gigabyte hard drives possibly in RAID arrays)
  3. AGP graphics with large AGP resource requirements (AGP aperture greater than default)
  4. Large file transfers
This problem occurs when the computer runs out of system page table entries. Windows determines (at boot time) the default number of page table entries to assign, based on the amount of system memory available. The items mentioned above all contribute to increasing the number of page table entires that Windows XP must maintain and in extreme cases the page table entries may be exhausted.
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I have got 512 MB RAM, but point no. 2 is true: I use one RAID-0 array (2x 80GB) and one 160 GB IDE drives all formatted with NTFS.


Possible reason: data corruption of some windows system files needed during normal boot.


Any suggestions for me to solve my problem? thx
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Can someone please help me.

I pay £360 for a graphics card and have a problem with an official catalyst driver?

I installed cat 5.1, everything was fine untill i rebooted pc and it hang's just b4 desktop loads up with a black screen??

I went back to cat 4.12 and everything was fine.

Why am i the only one with this problem and nobody is giving useful or any answers to my problem.

(I dont understand how i never had probs with cat 4.9-4.12 and all of sudden i do with cat 5.1?)
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I'm on WinXP - Pro SP2 and just installed the 5.1 CCC for the first time.
I've got a problem with the runtime not loading after reboot.
and so the CCC doesn't load. which means that I have to go into the start menu and run the Restart Runtime app in the advanced menu...

why is that ??? and how can I solve this???
is this problem will continue I will be forced to uninstall the CCC and go back to the old CP..



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Uninstall .NET 1.1 and then install .NET 2.0 beta as that fixes this problem for most (not everyone) people
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Can someone please help me.

I pay £360 for a graphics card and have a problem with an official catalyst driver?

I installed cat 5.1, everything was fine untill i rebooted pc and it hang's just b4 desktop loads up with a black screen??

I went back to cat 4.12 and everything was fine.

Why am i the only one with this problem and nobody is giving useful or any answers to my problem.

(I dont understand how i never had probs with cat 4.9-4.12 and all of sudden i do with cat 5.1?)
I had this yesterday: Boot into safe mode, yank both adapters out of device manager, uninstall everytihng ATI driver related from add/remove programs, run driver cleaner and reinstall the driver package. You may get a scary error about display zero, but it will work fine after you reboot. If it won't boot into safe mode disregard everything I just said, you have a more serious problem, but I doubt it will come to that.
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This Drivers Are Working Fine On My System For The First Time I Scored 3006 On 3dmark05.but Hl2 Still Jumping Alot.i Do'nt Know What To Do Anymore I Thought Ati Radeon Cards Were Preferrerd To Play Hl2.such A Lie
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