CATALYST 5.1 out now

Genius · Jan 17, 2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by km52

What I dislike about the CCC is its fancy style and that it is a resource hog.

I have no complains about the need for the .NET framework, it's just that i like simple and clean interfaces.

Please don't put the CP 6 feet under.

Quoting for effect

Falstaff · Jan 17, 2005, 05:51 PM

I modded the 5.1s for my laptop...thanx Patje...and they work beatifully...even on my slimy E-machine the 9600's shine..

snake · Jan 17, 2005, 06:20 PM

Well... i didn't even test the drivers yet BUT i have to say they start real bad for me...

I've installed them five minutes ago, and trying to set AA from the CCC look what i see and it's freezing fo real :

I really want to know why this Control Center is still so pitiful

DarkShadow19 · Jan 17, 2005, 06:32 PM

If I were to mod these drivers, would the CCC work on the laptop?

***Zardon*** · Jan 17, 2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkShadow19

If I were to mod these drivers, would the CCC work on the laptop?

if you have .net installed yes.

***Zardon*** · Jan 17, 2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Well... i didn't even test the drivers yet BUT i have to say they start real bad for me...

I've installed them five minutes ago, and trying to set AA from the CCC look what i see and it's freezing fo real :

I really want to know why this Control Center is still so pitiful

Can you detail your installation procedure please? are you using .net 1.1 or 2? did you deinstall CP and/or an older CCC if you had one installed? more information on your setup and installation would help.

km52 · Jan 17, 2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pir8nyc

km52,

i installed the control panel version, works fine (other than the fast write option which is specific for 9600). you should be able to choose that one instead if that is your preference.

It's clear to me that I can choose between CP and CCC for now.
But I don't know how long ATI will provide us with both the CP and CCC.
ATI said they will stop adding new features to CP, and future drivers won't be compatible with the latest CP, so everyone will be forced to use CCC (or the fantastic Omega Drivers).

Maybe we'll get something like CCCL - Catalyst Control Panel Lite

/edit:

Look at the post above mine and you'll know one reason why I stick with CP.

Blackboost · Jan 17, 2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by radium_1

is it just me or is there absolutely nothing different with these drivers? It's listed as 4.12 "+" in atiTool... What's wrong with my comp?? Lol, or is everyone's CCC exactly the same?

I installed them just using the normal CP and I also came across this little problem:

It doesn't bother me or anything like that since in the ATi CP it says 5.1. I just posted in case someone else posts about it.

I like the drivers and haven't encoutered any problems so far in FarCry, HL2, CS:S, Doom 3 and Riddick. I have yet to try Rome Total War to see if the game is still buggy as always. Also I installed the normal CP since the CCC just takes uses too much resources IMO and I hate that. Anyway thanks for the driver release!!!

Shuflie · Jan 17, 2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackboost

I installed them just using the normal CP and I also came across this little problem:
http://img10.exs.cx/img10/6669/moreproof4os.jpg

It doesn't bother me or anything like that since in the ATi CP it says 5.1. I just posted in case someone else posts about it.

I like the drivers and haven't encoutered any problems so far in FarCry, HL2, CS:S, Doom 3 and Riddick. I have yet to try Rome Total War to see if the game is still buggy as always. Also I installed the normal CP since the CCC just takes uses too much resources IMO and I hate that. Anyway thanks for the driver release!!!

ATI tool probably just has a built in database of translations for the actual driver numbers, trouble is unless you have an up to date database anything newer than the latest driver info the list will be an unknown driver (hence the + as if the driver is unknow it will most likely be newer). Its all a bit 'here be dragons' if you like.

loudeye · Jan 17, 2005, 07:38 PM

lovely

thanks for the support ATI - and of course DH too! i've learned a lot from you guys...cheers

he he, what a great coincidence - new drivers released same time as bots for CS:S ! aw shucks, i'll be up all night now !

RaZ0r! · Jan 17, 2005, 07:59 PM

It seems both the Reduced DVI and Alternate DVI options default to enabled now in the Catalyst 5.1's. Should I uncheck these options if I'm not having any trouble? Who would and when are you supposed to use these options? I have a DVI flat panel and I never fully understood these options and what I should be looking for to see if they should be enabled or not.

Spyre · Jan 17, 2005, 08:04 PM

My understanding is that you should only enable them if you have problems

Reduced DVI lowers the refreshrate but increases the compatability so that higher resolutions can be used on certain TFT's

Alternate DVI is again for compatability reasons as some models of TFT's dont like the standard way of being polled

Robert McClelland · Jan 17, 2005, 09:55 PM

I almost done with mine drivers got 10megs to go on CCC

I let you know on my new 120gig hard drive

I will report my finding soon.

pir8nyc · Jan 17, 2005, 10:40 PM

5.1 so far more stable than 4.12 (VPU recovers actually work now!), though a little slower, noticeably so in HL2 at least on my rig (the german review haven't tested 5.1 in HL2 because their demo won't run on 5.1). Went back and reread the comment about the featureless CP, well, I kinda agree, miss my AI and what not.

Now we wait for omega's tweaks (maybe he should just make a patch for the official cats instead would be more convenient since we all have official 5.1 installed unless they release betas).

Nuke209 · Jan 17, 2005, 11:06 PM

my rivatuner says 4.12+ also

seriously, i never had problems with drivers ever with ATI cards
They've all worked for me, maybe a few fps differences but doesn't hurt me.

but with nvidia, that's another story.

MitchRapp · Jan 17, 2005, 11:13 PM

Anybody else notice something odd ..... like everytime i right click on my desktop, it tries to reinstall the ATI Catalyst control panel???? weird stuff.........

MitchRapp · Jan 17, 2005, 11:23 PM

and now i get a "machine debugger" error for CLI.Exe everytime i reboot ... or try to enter the catalyst Control Center

and the worst part is I'm gonna uninstall and reinstall the drivers 5 or 6 times tonight and at some point everything will be fixed .....

why can't people get drivers right the first time

u know .... some non-techies will install the latest drivers, get error messages and format

Majin GeoDooD · Jan 17, 2005, 11:32 PM

I'm sure these drivers work fine, but I'm gonna stick to the Omega 4.12s until ATI releases a driver with some actual updates

MitchRapp · Jan 17, 2005, 11:38 PM

Update: it only took 3 uninstalls/reinstalls to get it to work
i'm gonna reboot a couple of times and see if I can shake it some more lol

~~Hundredswords~~ · Jan 17, 2005, 11:41 PM

Just installed the Cat5.1, which is not "version" 5.1, but in fact for the year 200"5", "1"/1st release of the year.

My only complaint is that the driver is dated Nov.30, 2004 ... so i guess we might get some new driver after March break? maybe? And I don't know if it is a good thing or bad thing ... the "admitted" known issues outnumber the solved ones by the biggest margin yet ... haha

Robert McClelland · Jan 18, 2005, 12:36 AM

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8375529
I have happy to report I gain 4points from my other score with new 5.1 with CCC and I don't have no errors in panles what so ever and does stay 5.1 on CCC

Thank you Terry.

Spyre · Jan 18, 2005, 12:51 AM

@ Hundredswords

Obviously you dont understand how driver writing works

The drivers are written, internally and externally tested and then sent for certification with Microsoft

In the meantime new ones are written and the cycle starts again

Of course the drivers compile date is older since they were written a while ago and dont get released til the testing is done

MindlessOath · Jan 18, 2005, 01:27 AM

km52, if you dont like the fact that ATI will NOT update the old control panel, thats to bad... its been discussed before, if you dont like it, use the old one... if you want to use the new features, you will have to wait for a tool to be made to use them, and it just so happens that their are a few out for the current additions.
ati tray tool is one,
radlinker is annother, and of course you can use omega drivers which uses radlinker as its control panel... if your so inclined to... you can do the tweeks yourself in the registry, OR change the inf files before installing the drivers :P

nothing said will change the way this new CCC is absolute... its going to be here, and it can only get better, so support it and give feedback, thats what its here for, to improve it.

snake · Jan 18, 2005, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Can you detail your installation procedure please? are you using .net 1.1 or 2? did you deinstall CP and/or an older CCC if you had one installed? more information on your setup and installation would help.

A standard setup after deinstalling omega 2597a with ATITraytool installed too.
.net should be 1.2 with windows auto updates and that's all. I don't need to say that my system worked fine untill i try this new CCC set... now i have the 5.1 with CP and no more problem

TJ- · Jan 18, 2005, 01:40 AM

hmmmmmmmm decisions decisions.... not much good feedback on these drivers, ive downloaded but might wait for the omegas based on them as it doesnt seem as if they are worth using or there is any real diff btw 4.12......

Omega get crakin....

marcind · Jan 18, 2005, 03:16 AM

I'm very defeated. Cat 5.1 still doesn't work with my sapphire radeon 9600xt 256mb. Cats 4.6-4.12 also don't work. I've writing about this problem here:
Sapphire Radeon 9600xt 256mb and Catalyst 4.6-4.12
What's difference , CM, between cats 4.5 (and elder) and cats 4.6-5.1 that these latest cats don't work?
Please remember about users of elder radeon cards (like 9200/9500/9600) , not only x850pe users.

patje · Jan 18, 2005, 04:30 AM

Well, some interesting driver this is.

First, Thank you Ati for adding support to ALL radeon cards, yes including the Mobility cards! :rockon:
Second, looking at the inf file I was suprised to see a few mobility cards in them but not all. Is this some sort of experiment? or is the mobility radeon 9200 a card not used by OEM's? I was just wondering.

In any case Great job with this set, looks like it's gonna be an interesting year

Dyre Straits · Jan 18, 2005, 06:01 AM

Here's a new and interesting problem for me:

The TV Out produces only black and white output. I'm not getting any color at all. I've checked through all the settings I can think of and don't see anything that would affect this.

I've already restarted the computer a couple of times without any difference.

EDIT: Resolved! Apparently, the S-Video connector at the back of this machine had wiggled loose just enough to keep a signal going, but not quite enough to include the color. Pushing it back in securely has restored the color output on TV-Out.

Now, on with the testing!

LOGIN NAME · Jan 18, 2005, 07:16 AM

I find no problems using these drivers w/9800pro, just where is the vsync control in the CCC.

The only benefit I see with the CCC is the AI control

INSTG8R · Jan 18, 2005, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOGIN NAME

I find no problems using these drivers w/9800pro, just where is the vsync control in the CCC.

The only benefit I see with the CCC is the AI control

If you set the CCC to No Preview you can find the V-Synch

Jan 17, 2005, 05:51 PM	#32
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 18,145 Rep Power: 131	I modded the 5.1s for my laptop...thanx Patje...and they work beatifully...even on my slimy E-machine the 9600's shine.. __________________ The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the scythe.

Jan 17, 2005, 06:20 PM	#33
snake DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: France Posts: 415 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Well... i didn't even test the drivers yet BUT i have to say they start real bad for me... I've installed them five minutes ago, and trying to set AA from the CCC look what i see and it's freezing fo real : I really want to know why this Control Center is still so pitiful __________________ Q6700@3.6Ghz-StrikerExtreme-4ghz OCZPC8500-SLIGeforce8800GT Barton 2600+@2.16 (188x11.5) # GeForce 6800 GT@Ultra 1.5Go PC3200 #Asus A7N8X Deluxe Bios 1008 19209 3DMark06/ 57736 3DMark01/163152 Aquamark3

Jan 17, 2005, 07:59 PM	#41
RaZ0r! DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	It seems both the Reduced DVI and Alternate DVI options default to enabled now in the Catalyst 5.1's. Should I uncheck these options if I'm not having any trouble? Who would and when are you supposed to use these options? I have a DVI flat panel and I never fully understood these options and what I should be looking for to see if they should be enabled or not. __________________ Intel Pentium4 3.2GHz/800MHz Hyper-Threading CPU Shuttle SB61G2R 20th Anniversary Special Edition XPC (Bios FB61RS0C, Intel 865G Chipset, Intel INF Utility 6.3.0.1007) ATI RADEON 9800XT (ATI Catalyst Driver 5.1 w/Control Panel) Kingston ValueRAM 512MB PC3200 DDR400 CAS2.5 (x2 for 1GB total) Western Digital WD1600JD Caviar SE 160GB Serial ATA Hard Disk Sony CRX300E Combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW Optical Drive Intergrated Realtek RTL8139 10/100Base-T Ethernet (Realtek Driver 6.20) Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS (Creative Driver 5.12.2.444) Klipsch ProMedia 4.1 Speakers (w/ Preamplifier Upgrade CP-1) Samsung SyncMaster 191T Digital LCD Display (19", DVI connection, Samsung Driver 1.0) Logitech Cordless MX Duo Wireless Keyboard & Mouse (Logitech iTouch 2.22 & MouseWare 9.79.1 build 25) MS Windows XP Home Edition SP2 (DirectX 9.0c)

Jan 17, 2005, 08:04 PM	#42
Spyre DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,217 Rep Power: 48	My understanding is that you should only enable them if you have problems Reduced DVI lowers the refreshrate but increases the compatability so that higher resolutions can be used on certain TFT's Alternate DVI is again for compatability reasons as some models of TFT's dont like the standard way of being polled __________________ ATI Beta Tester game.AMD.Moderator

Jan 17, 2005, 09:55 PM	#43
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,349 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	I almost done with mine drivers got 10megs to go on CCC I let you know on my new 120gig hard drive I will report my finding soon. __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Jan 17, 2005, 06:32 PM	#34
DarkShadow19 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	If I were to mod these drivers, would the CCC work on the laptop?

Jan 17, 2005, 07:38 PM	#40
loudeye DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 92 Rep Power: 0	lovely thanks for the support ATI - and of course DH too! i've learned a lot from you guys...cheers he he, what a great coincidence - new drivers released same time as bots for CS:S ! aw shucks, i'll be up all night now !

Jan 17, 2005, 10:40 PM	#44
pir8nyc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 46 Rep Power: 0	5.1 so far more stable than 4.12 (VPU recovers actually work now!), though a little slower, noticeably so in HL2 at least on my rig (the german review haven't tested 5.1 in HL2 because their demo won't run on 5.1). Went back and reread the comment about the featureless CP, well, I kinda agree, miss my AI and what not. Now we wait for omega's tweaks (maybe he should just make a patch for the official cats instead would be more convenient since we all have official 5.1 installed unless they release betas).

Jan 17, 2005, 11:06 PM	#45
Nuke209 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: St. Paul Posts: 568 Rep Power: 0	my rivatuner says 4.12+ also seriously, i never had problems with drivers ever with ATI cards They've all worked for me, maybe a few fps differences but doesn't hurt me. but with nvidia, that's another story. __________________ 2006 Subaru Impreza WRX

Jan 17, 2005, 11:13 PM	#46
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 908 Rep Power: 35 System Specs	Anybody else notice something odd ..... like everytime i right click on my desktop, it tries to reinstall the ATI Catalyst control panel???? weird stuff.........

Jan 17, 2005, 11:23 PM	#47
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 908 Rep Power: 35 System Specs	and now i get a "machine debugger" error for CLI.Exe everytime i reboot ... or try to enter the catalyst Control Center and the worst part is I'm gonna uninstall and reinstall the drivers 5 or 6 times tonight and at some point everything will be fixed ..... why can't people get drivers right the first time u know .... some non-techies will install the latest drivers, get error messages and format

Jan 17, 2005, 11:32 PM	#48
Majin GeoDooD DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 1,116 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I'm sure these drivers work fine, but I'm gonna stick to the Omega 4.12s until ATI releases a driver with some actual updates __________________ Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) ~Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.55GHz~ Gigabyte P35-DS3L ~ eVGA GeForce 8800GT 512MB @ 690/1000 ~ OCZ Titanium 2x2GB ~ Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 750 GB ~ WD Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB ~ NEC ND-3540A DVD-RW ~ Rosewill RP600V2 600w PSU ~ Antec Nine Hundred Mid-Tower

Jan 17, 2005, 11:38 PM	#49
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 908 Rep Power: 35 System Specs	Update: it only took 3 uninstalls/reinstalls to get it to work i'm gonna reboot a couple of times and see if I can shake it some more lol

Jan 17, 2005, 11:41 PM	#50
~~Hundredswords~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 63 Rep Power: 0	Just installed the Cat5.1, which is not "version" 5.1, but in fact for the year 200"5", "1"/1st release of the year. My only complaint is that the driver is dated Nov.30, 2004 ... so i guess we might get some new driver after March break? maybe? And I don't know if it is a good thing or bad thing ... the "admitted" known issues outnumber the solved ones by the biggest margin yet ... haha

Jan 18, 2005, 12:36 AM	#51
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,349 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8375529 I have happy to report I gain 4points from my other score with new 5.1 with CCC and I don't have no errors in panles what so ever and does stay 5.1 on CCC Thank you Terry. __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Jan 18, 2005, 12:51 AM	#52
Spyre DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,217 Rep Power: 48	@ Hundredswords Obviously you dont understand how driver writing works The drivers are written, internally and externally tested and then sent for certification with Microsoft In the meantime new ones are written and the cycle starts again Of course the drivers compile date is older since they were written a while ago and dont get released til the testing is done __________________ ATI Beta Tester game.AMD.Moderator

Jan 18, 2005, 01:27 AM	#53
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,142 Rep Power: 0	km52, if you dont like the fact that ATI will NOT update the old control panel, thats to bad... its been discussed before, if you dont like it, use the old one... if you want to use the new features, you will have to wait for a tool to be made to use them, and it just so happens that their are a few out for the current additions. ati tray tool is one, radlinker is annother, and of course you can use omega drivers which uses radlinker as its control panel... if your so inclined to... you can do the tweeks yourself in the registry, OR change the inf files before installing the drivers :P nothing said will change the way this new CCC is absolute... its going to be here, and it can only get better, so support it and give feedback, thats what its here for, to improve it. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Jan 18, 2005, 01:40 AM	#55
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,682 Rep Power: 0	hmmmmmmmm decisions decisions.... not much good feedback on these drivers, ive downloaded but might wait for the omegas based on them as it doesnt seem as if they are worth using or there is any real diff btw 4.12...... Omega get crakin.... __________________ new sig comming soon

Jan 18, 2005, 03:16 AM	#56
marcind DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	:( I'm very defeated. Cat 5.1 still doesn't work with my sapphire radeon 9600xt 256mb. Cats 4.6-4.12 also don't work. I've writing about this problem here: Sapphire Radeon 9600xt 256mb and Catalyst 4.6-4.12 What's difference , CM, between cats 4.5 (and elder) and cats 4.6-5.1 that these latest cats don't work? Please remember about users of elder radeon cards (like 9200/9500/9600) , not only x850pe users.

Jan 18, 2005, 04:30 AM	#57
patje Former Mobility Modman Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Belgium / Antwerp Posts: 1,476 Rep Power: 51	Well, some interesting driver this is. First, Thank you Ati for adding support to ALL radeon cards, yes including the Mobility cards! :rockon: Second, looking at the inf file I was suprised to see a few mobility cards in them but not all. Is this some sort of experiment? or is the mobility radeon 9200 a card not used by OEM's? I was just wondering. In any case Great job with this set, looks like it's gonna be an interesting year __________________

Jan 18, 2005, 07:16 AM	#59
LOGIN NAME DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	I find no problems using these drivers w/9800pro, just where is the vsync control in the CCC. The only benefit I see with the CCC is the AI control __________________ Tandy 8088 with turbo button