ATI Official 4.12 Drivers – DNA, Omega and Catalyst battle it out

Chikitta · Dec 29, 2004, 06:04 PM

In case you needed persuading to use tweaked drivers, here's the latest benchmarks for the Omegas, Catalysts and DNAs:

Clicky

I'd benchmark the UniAN's if I could get them to work...

Ne0_MoRTiZ · Dec 29, 2004, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chikitta

I'd benchmark the UniAN's if I could get them to work...

What problems are you having with the Unians?
It would be really nice to see Unians in that benchmark.

You could also try this new set of drivers. Its been getting lots of good feedbacks. CryoGen Drivers

Chikitta · Dec 29, 2004, 07:41 PM

The Unian file I downloaded just won't run - I'm not having any problems with the drivers themselves, because I can't install them

Cheers for the CryoGen link - I'll get on some benchmarks for those when I get the time.

Floruro · Dec 29, 2004, 08:40 PM

I was going to post this on DNA forums, but for some reason i can transmit the messages anymore. Anyways:
"Heya. Those graphs are pushing it. I mean. We are talking 20 3dmark05 marks max, but your graphs make it looks like its like 150% increase. Lets get real. I like DNA drivers and all their efforts, but marketing graphs push it.
But talking about Omega, i dont touch them anymore. Their last release before this one had supposedly broken anisotropic filtering with cs source hence the big increase in fps.
Sorry i used DNA drivers alot before in the beginning, but we want CLEAN no nonsense drivers us pro gamers, so for now i use the anzak catalyst (Cryogen), since they provide the same no-lag i experienced from DNA in the beginning compared to normal catalyst, but doesnt clutter it. "

I am not sure if i am right about those earlier Omegas, so correct me if im wrong. I always appreciate his efforts back from 3dfx days.

TJ- · Dec 29, 2004, 08:55 PM

intresting reading.... i doubt that between either of the 3 you will notice any real differences when plaing games. I use the omegas though only cause im used to them. I might be persuaded to try the dna drivers though to try them out...

Floruro · Dec 29, 2004, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by battleaxe187

intresting reading.... i doubt that between either of the 3 you will notice any real differences when plaing games. I use the omegas though only cause im used to them. I might be persuaded to try the dna drivers though to try them out...

Doubt it you can, but try me out 1on1 in UT2004 and you might feel it.

"Feel" is a big part of people playing alot. (If it didnt feel different i would go with normal official ones straight. )
I would try the anzak drivers before the DNA ones.
No disrespect to the driver modders, but i think its becoming high time of revealing what things are done in these "optimizations", or i want to start messing with them myself. (thank you for this site btw(if you are part of it). audio section and pax is good stuff)

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 29, 2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by battleaxe187

intresting reading.... i doubt that between either of the 3 you will notice any real differences when plaing games. I use the omegas though only cause im used to them. I might be persuaded to try the dna drivers though to try them out...

If want to try something besides offical ATI's
and Omega's I'd suggest "Unian"

DNA's are in fact nockoffs any way you look at it.
He likes to barrow and take credit for others work
with out permission and to ridicule the authors of
said works. Also the man personally racts to any
critism like a 3 year old. Not to mention his sparing
off with the ATI driver team leader.

many people await the day thier offically shut down.
Tisk, tisk, tisk, Still no included ATI licence agreement
so yes thier still "illegal" under international law.

Floruro · Dec 29, 2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

If want to try something besides offical ATI's
and Omega's I'd suggest "Unian"

DNA's are in fact nockoffs any way you look at it.
He likes to barrow and take credit for others work
with out permission and to ridicule the authors of
said works. Also the man personally racts to any
critism like a 3 year old. Not to mention his sparing
off with the ATI driver team leader.

many people await the day thier offically shut down.
Tisk, tisk, tisk, Still no included ATI licence agreement
so yes thier still "illegal" under international law.

BTW KS didnt even know what the WDM driver was AT ALL until i told him in a post today that it was for the Rage chip. He said it meant "WinDows Media Acceleration". and that it had to do with windows media player acceleration. So to me that discredited pretty much the whole DNA scenario with the "maker" saying that. I never say bad about peoples efforts if they mean something good, but DNA drivers with the "maker" saying such off the chart bull like that is tight. And having 2-3 fps head in benchmarks ahead of omega but losing in games. So whats actually up with these drivers except for "xmas theme etc"? Honesty for using these drivers is all i want to know. Saying "optimisations" isnt enough anymore.

Chikitta · Dec 30, 2004, 07:00 AM

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Heya. Those graphs are pushing it. I mean. We are talking 20 3dmark05 marks max, but your graphs make it looks like its like 150% increase. Lets get real. I like DNA drivers and all their efforts, but marketing graphs push it.

They don't if you actually look at the scale

I wanted to show there was actually a difference between the 3... if I made the scale larger, it'd show all 3 drivers to perform the same, which they don't - to some people an increase of a few 3D Marks is a big deal (not me, I might add

).

I'm not connected in any way with DNA or Omega drivers btw - I occasionally post on both this and the DNA boards, but that's about it. I've got nothing to gain by showing one set of drivers to be better, which is why I try and keep it as fair as possible.

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intresting reading.... i doubt that between either of the 3 you will notice any real differences when plaing games. I use the omegas though only cause im used to them. I might be persuaded to try the dna drivers though to try them out...

The only difference I noticed was in HL2 using the Omegas. In some areas (particually on CS:S) the graphics are noticably smoother.

Secret Shadow · Dec 30, 2004, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

If want to try something besides offical ATI's
and Omega's I'd suggest "Unian"

DNA's are in fact nockoffs any way you look at it.
He likes to barrow and take credit for others work
with out permission and to ridicule the authors of
said works. Also the man personally racts to any
critism like a 3 year old. Not to mention his sparing
off with the ATI driver team leader.

many people await the day thier offically shut down.
Tisk, tisk, tisk, Still no included ATI licence agreement
so yes thier still "illegal" under international law.

It's included..... O_o

And I use DNAs anyway cause they work better for me. Also because AF doesn't work using the Omega drivers for me anyway.... Just let the people choose what they want and stop with this "Driver War" nonsense

.

Chaos · Dec 30, 2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Secret Shadow

It's included..... O_o

And I use DNAs anyway cause they work better for me. Also because AF doesn't work using the Omega drivers for me anyway.... Just let the people choose what they want and stop with this "Driver War" nonsense

.

Welcome to DH:

If you read his post correctly he said the DNA does not have ATI's original licence agreement meaning he altered property of ATI without their permission which in itself is illegal.

I had originally closed this thread before the flaming started so lets not begin

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 30, 2004, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Secret Shadow

It's included..... O_o

And I use DNAs anyway cause they work better for me. Also because AF doesn't work using the Omega drivers for me anyway.... Just let the people choose what they want and stop with this "Driver War" nonsense

.

As for the ORIGIONAL LICENCE AGREEMENT it is not present. He admited him self that he removed it over a year ago. So about 24+ releases = 24+ counts of violation of international copy write laws. Just the same as his editing of the files orgional copy writes. Wich is another count and kind of infringment. If ATI wanted to press it DNA could enjoy such things as multi million dallor fines and enjoying a prison cell for life..... But if they do anything they will probubly just shut him down. Wich he should count his blessing they have not.

To put it bluntly since thier based hevily on others works such as the custom reses and reses @ refresh you enjoy came from omega's inf's. etc....

The only place I've ever herd about AF not working in Omega sets for some reson is comeing from DNA fans

and the dna site. Trying to come up with a explanation of why Omegas are faster

. BTW: turing off AF would give a even grather FPS lead then he currently has.

Like I said wait till my compairs if you want to see asuradly valid results
and extensive testing. Sorry I don't consider sites and articals ran by
long time DNA fans and a valid source...I prefer to use use Offical
ATI drivers myself.... Though I useally keep up on the modded sets for ATI.

Secret Shadow · Dec 30, 2004, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

.....

Ok I stand corrected about that, so I thank you for clearing that up and I'm sorry about that. But AF doesn't work with Omegas... or is it RadLinker? Something about RadLinker and mobility chips maybe? (I have a Radeon Mobility btw

)

Chikitta · Dec 30, 2004, 05:39 PM

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As for the ORIGIONAL LICENCE AGREEMENT it is not present. He admited him self that he removed it over a year ago. So about 24+ releases = 24+ counts of violation of international copy write laws.

I'm surprised ATi haven't stepped in and said something about that. KS admitted last year that he'd removed it to that ATi guy in the arguement he had with him.

Everyone seems to know there's no ATi lisence agreement... maybe they just don't care.

Widkidone · Dec 30, 2004, 05:55 PM

I feel that since that these "test" do not show the results of the Spirit Drivers and the Unian Drivers its unfair to say that this was done fairly. Plus here my question how is it that the DNA have a better results when after the fact in the past they never has these kind of results. I have always felt that Unian and Omega driver have always out done the DNA Drivers.

Chikitta · Dec 30, 2004, 06:39 PM

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I feel that since that these "test" do not show the results of the Spirit Drivers and the Unian Drivers its unfair to say that this was done fairly.

The Catalysts, Omegas and DNAs are probably the most commonly used ATi drivers (probably in that order too). The tests were conducted as fairly as possible - I just chose not to benchmark the Unians (which I still can't get to install) or the Spirit / Cryo drivers because they aren't as widely used. If there's enough interest though, I'll be happy to add the Spirit, Unian and Cryo drivers to my next set of benchmarks.

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Plus here my question how is it that the DNA have a better results when after the fact in the past they never has these kind of results.

The DNAs performed only slightly better than the catalysts and omegas in the likes of 3D Mark. In my experience they have always performed better on benchmarking software than the Catalysts or Omegas, but their lower performance in games has let them down.

DEDloc · Dec 30, 2004, 10:41 PM

Not to add to the confusion, but this wouldn't be fair without the consideration of Anzak's drivers as well.

http://www.rage3d.net/board/showthread.php?t=33797149

Widkidone · Dec 30, 2004, 11:36 PM

First of all you have no idea how popular the Unian Drivers are..... many people use them. Plus there is contraversy that there is a tight race between the Unian drivers and the omega Drivers in performance and stability. I enjoy both drivers and i think you should have all the modified drivers tested to get a much clearer range across the board. Yes the Cat, and Omegas are the most popular, but there is spectulation that the DNA Drivers are just copies of other people's work. So before putting the DNA Drivers on the pedstal how about testing these other drivers as well.

MindlessOath · Dec 31, 2004, 12:03 AM

i belive thats all KS cares about aswell... he only cares about being better, whether its in 3D mark or not, he claims fame and his followers see that and say ohh ya this is so cool, but he is just using them, with his methods.

he is rude, he lies, he has no care for authority or legal base, thier is NO reason to use drivers or anything made by such a .... dare i say it, MONSTER. (i do admin i have been watching alot of anime, but i do agree its true to use that term).

not sure why you cant run the unian drivers, but i know no one that has ever had a problem, but as said previous their not used as much as OMEGA drivers, i do say they are far more stable in my opinion than anything out their.
his installer uses the lzma compression and its own installer, im guessing its from NSIS, or a variation built on the SDK, so try installing 7zip and or NSIS (nullsoft script install system - http://nsis.sourceforge.net) and see if it works their after, but overall the drivers support mobile devices, it doesnt support them all, much like omega does, and of course we know that someone steals peoples work, so we know they work too but i wont name those off, cause we all know what im talking about).

on a side note, omega creates his drivers for performance in games, he makes them also and foremost for quality AND compaitibilities. i think all in all the tweeks are great but radlinker needs a major upgrade because of the many problems people are having with it, thats all i can say in that regard, i wish omega was more of a programmer so he could do the stuff i would do, and improve them alot more, but i havnet a clue or the time to do these modifications, PLUS the stuff i want to code.

pr0digal jenius · Dec 31, 2004, 01:10 AM

Ok, this is about as far off topic as I'm willing to let this one go.

For future reference: this forum is for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, comparison, and other such DISCUSSION.

Useless bickering, flaming, and all around childish mud slinging needs to be kept in the confines of the FWZ.