Silent Buddha

Well, I'll have to gives these drivers a rating of "1" for the moment. I still cannot use the DVI input with my monitor on either my X800 or R9700 Pro with any Cats later than 4.7. At the moment this isn't an issue as there isn't a whole lot that 4.8 and 4.9 have that I "really" need, although I'd really REALLY like to use the spanning function (surroundview). However, the analog connection just isn't up to snuff compared to the DVI output, so I'm stuck with Cats 4.7 and lower.

However, if this continues, I may unfortunately have to go with an Nvidia card as replacing my 450ish dollar video card is a lot more financially feasible than replacing my 3000ish dollar monitor (granted you can get it for around $2,200 now, but still). :P

**Sigh**

If this doesn't get resolved, the only thing that might keep me with ATI is if the Apple Cinema display (23") doesn't have the same issue with the DVI connection (with Cats greater than 4.7). But I still haven't decided whether I want to "upgrade" to a slightly smaller albeit possibly better monitor.

Silent Buddha

Davisorle

I need help here... I installed the new catalyst last night but I can't get the ccc to work! The only style control panel though works but the ccc every time I try to execute says that Ati drivers are not installed corectly or probleme with the drivers don't function properly! It's nothing to do with the instalation cause i used even driver cleaner after everytime I retried to reinstall the new drivers! I have this bad feeling that it has to do with the changes that I made in the registry... So, I would please ask from someone that knows to tell me what services are needed for the ccc to run cause i can't get to make it work... Thank you and I already think that the 4.9 are the best and more reliable rather than that!

WaltC

I'm easy to disagree with......but in this case I'm not sure from following the link what we disagree on...

Edit: I just installed the 4.9's CCC on another machine with a different core-logic chipset, cpu, and ram configuration with a 9700P--installed perfectly the first time out. (Standard WinXP services configuration.)

A suggestion I have for people with WinXP SP2 (SP2 is installed on both these machines) is to download and install via the XP Update page the .net FRAME Service Pack 1--if there's something botched with your present Frame 1.1 installation it will let you know. I think that some problems some people are having with the CCC are either related to services being turned off that are needed OR a botched Fram 1.1 installation (which you may not notice until you try and install the FRAME SP1 from WinXP Update.) If you do have a botched Frame 1.1 install you can correct it by downloading the Frame 1.1 executable from M$ Update and installing it manually, after which the Frame SP1 should install with no problem.

wolfran

I just installed the new cats 4.9 and......
unfortunately i'm very dissapointed by the new CCC.
It's very buggy especially if you use the profile manager and the restore default function.
Actually this CCC release is a step back from the previous CCC IMO.
I can run the old CCC (cat 4.8) with no problems at all but the new CCC gives me a lot of headache. Often it just hang after changing profiles or after restoring the default 3D settings. Then at another time the CCC just refused to start.

I saw in the earlier post that the .net framework 2.0b may fix the problem. Is this true? I just don't want to install useless beta things into my PC.
I hope someone can help me here.

r target

After using the 4.9 beta, I had high hopes for this set. I skipped the CCC for the time being and used the regular CP. Things looked alright until I fired up BF:V, which ran well w/4.9 beta. It got really choppy, and I couldn't figure out why. I've got a GB of RAM and I even tried to take the rez and textures way down, no go.

dipstick

These are pretty good drivers if I must say. Doom 3 has a definite improvement, FarCry works great with the 1.2 patch and UTk4 is absolute butter as always. I haven't tried BF:Vietnam yet but I'll check it to see if I have the same issues as all you guys. Also this is the first time I'm using the new CP and I must say I'm impressed. I do not see any of the slowdowns while loading or switching through windows as others do for some reason but my main issue is that I can't seem to hide the taskbar icon. Is that possible?

snake

I do agree with you
I thought the new CCC set can only be better than the last one, i was wrong
I didn't encounter major problem with the 4.8 CCC, but this time it seems really crappy
Get rid of this one and go back to the standard CP

I didn't test the drivers themselves till now, but soon i'll do

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Gizmo[5h1t3]

as mentioned earlier...i have the CCC installed now...but ive stumbled upon another problem now.

when ever i try to change any of the settings...i get this on my screen....UNHANDLED EXCEPTION ERRORS????


any ideas??

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FrankenBerrie

I will hold off for the Omega's!!

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higgledyhiggles

sorry if this has been asked before (can read every post 8-)

it looks like at some point in the future the new CCC is going to be all there is so...

When you install the new control panel does it take care of making sure you have `.net` installed or do `I` have to take care of that.??

The last time I had .net install it created a fake logon user etc and I just
really dont have the time to chase down all the technical knowhow to
download/install/update/troubleshoot(get rid of logon thing) etc.

Now if this was taken care of as part of the installer (or windows update?)then it`d be fine. It just sounds like a lot of work for controlling options that I`m already in control of ?

in a nutshell - will ATI`s new CP handle `.net` install for me ?

cheers,
higgles

edperks

Hawk,

I think its time for format, I will format this weekend and see if that helps. Do you have your non pro OC'ed. I just run my machine at stock speeds. Thanks for the input!

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HawK

No nothing OC'ed, the Club3D-9700 go bezerk by OC'ing it just a tiny bit..
I did have them same low results when I had the cheap 350W PSU, after getting a 550W i got far better result ( +10 - 15% in most B.marks)

HawK

Nah you need atleast the 1.1 + the .net SP for 1.1 ,or get the .net 2.0 beta which is much better IMHO.
AFAIK no extra user account will be made anymore...

jfs1967

The image quality in Doom 3 is not good. I like Catalyst 4.7 better. 4.9 is even worse with rendering shadows. And where some shadows should be, it is a swathe of pitch black geometry instead. The ATI card just does not do a good job with light and shadow. I use the Visiontek X800 PRO.

glynor

Hmmm ... After all the trouble I had installing these drivers last night I thought I might see other posts about this, but I haven't as of yet. First, a little background ...

Recent, clean XP SP1 Install
.NET 1.1 SP1
ATI AIW 9600XT
UltraMon 2.5

I have my system set up with two displays (both CRT). As one is larger than the other, I keep one of them set to 1280x1024@85Hz and the other at 1024x768@60Hz (its an old crappy monitor, but it works). I also have the SVideo out hooked up to a TV in another room. My goal from the beginning was to have the two monitors typically used in an extended desktop setup, but to toggle the second monitor off to enable the TV-out mode (cloned from the primary display). Because the standard ATI control panel does not allow me to assign a Hotkey to an extended desktop (erg!), I use a strange but effective combination of the ATI hotkeys and UltraMon's profiles with hotkeys. Basically I have two ATI "profiles", both with the secondary monitor disabled (one with the primary at 1280x1024 alone, and the other at 800x600 cloned onto the TV Out). Then I have two profiles in UltraMon also assigned hotkeys: a Single Display (no secondary monitor) and a Dual Display (both monitors, as described above). Then I simply wrote a couple of scripts that allow me to toggle between the two desired modes by sending (with appropriate pauses) the appropriate hotkeys in succession. This has worked reasonably well with drivers 4.7 and 4.8 (I think I had a different setup prior to that, but I might have used 4.6 also).

Well, last night at about 6:00pm, I thought I would give the 4.9 drivers and CCC a try. It seemed that CCC would allow me to forgo using the scripts and UltraMon's hotkey capability and assign profiles directly to the two modes I wanted. Well, at around 2:00am I finally got back to where I started ...

First of all CCC wouldn't do this at all. It borked up seriously. I was able to get the extended display all set up and working as I wanted, created a profile. Then I set it up with the second monitor disabled, the TV enabled, and the resolution reduced ... Created a profile. When I switched back to the first profile (with TV off and second monitor on), it got seriously confused. It enabled extended desktop, enabled the second monitor, then disabled the second monitor and enabled the TV out in extended desktop mode. After that NOTHING other than uninstalling the drivers completely would re-enable the second monitor. In the control panel it showed the secondary display as disconnected (though in my repeated reboots it worked fine until the windows desktop appeared). Since the monitor didn't support that resolution it wouldn't work, and I had to disable it again. The next time I would apply my profile, or try to enable the second display, it would happily enable the TV out again and show the monitor as disconnected. I started to get a serious headache at this point ...

So anyhow, I finally gave up on CCC and decided to uninstall and install the standard CP. After this rigamarole was complete and my profiles were all recreated, it did EXACTLY the same thing!! No matter what I did, with the exact same configuration as I've been using with 4.8 it would not cooperate. I could, with 4.9 and no CCC installed, on occasion get the second display to enable (it was seemingly random), but it ALWAYS enabled it at 1280x1024@85Hz. When I then tried to reduce the resolution, it would happily disable the secondary display (and call it disconnected) and enable the TV at 1024x768.

I uninstalled, re-installed 4.8, fought with it for a while, and I am finally back to where I was. ERG!!!! Does anyone else have a similar setup? Success, problems, solutions?

MindlessOath

[color=gold]BWX[/color] i strongly suggest doing a reformat then windowsupdate, then install the drivers man. ur settings are messed, and its not like dissableing all those services are really going to help u out much. mabe some, but definatly not the ones that need .net stuff and other system based services. its just causing u problems. until u do that, i dont think u should reply with anything. its just not helping anyone help you.

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Perfect Reason

Is there a way to have opengl and d3d spesific settings with the new ccc?

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apoch003

Only by using the "profile" settings that everyone has been wanting since the incept of Catalysts.

I guess you get one, but not the other.

As for people having these weird problems, I would recommend that everyone check their services. If you've tweaked them in any way, try setting them all back to automatic and rebooting.

wolfran

Which settings are you talking about?

Mocca

I reinstalled 4.9's today, after making some benches with 4.8.. wanted to test em against eachother on my system performace wise.

CS: Source 1024x768 4xAA 8xAF and all settings High gave me 108.2 fps average in video stresstest with 4.8's - 105.6fps average with 4.9's.

This pattern has been the same on my system through all the games i play(Joint Operations, BFV, BF1942, CS, TFC etc), except UT2004, where i felt a difference - the 4.9's performing slightly better.

I mean, I can live with the little difference and would normally just take the newest of them, if difference being this small - but the 4.9's "stutter", like hickups, in my setup in all games except UT2004. - So I am staying with the 4.8's for now still, after investigating thoroughly on my system. - Still 5/10 from me.

BTW - this was with the drivers and normal CP.. cba to install .net... suggy suggy.

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wolfran

I tried the cats 4.9 again and it still hangs on me.
This is the steps that causing it:
1. create a profile by changing the 3d settings (for games).
2. restore the default values for the 3D.
3. restart pc
4. activate the profile (through the tasbar icon)
5. then click preferences -> restore default
6. select only the 3D
7. then OK
after that the new CCC just hangs on me.
It didn't happen with the previous CCC.
Does anyone have the same problems?
Btw i'm using .net 1.1 sp1.
I hope ATI can issue another CCC soon to fix this as I'm actually quite a fan of CCC

IamLakota

I gave the drivers a 6 and am sorry Ati but I like the old control panel functionality better so unistalled and reinstalled the old CP. 4.9s seem to work ok I might even load D3 back into this rig and see how it performs with the new drivers though I know my 6800GT rig has this XT beat.

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Robert McClelland

I finaly got tv out working with new CCC

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loudeye

My thoughts too ! I give the 4.9 w/ CCC a 9. From what I had read the last week, CCC would be a pain in the butt, but I installed the whole 4.9 package today, including .NET 1.1 of course, and it works great So far, at least. I second the better performance in the quoted games, and experience no hang-ups or anything, it loads in two-three seconds wham !

A couple things bother me, though;

1) I can't find a way to turn off CCC by default, I'd rather start CCC up if need be. Am I blind or is it not possible to turn autorun off ?

2) Is it possible to turn the login-screen off, like I had before this install, or does .NET require this ? I hope not

Any help is much appreciated

-edit-
-sorry, I posted questions in wrong thread, belongs to CCC thread.
-problems solved

BWX

Well if you knew what you were talking about you would know that if you disable the server service and you disable File and Print sharing, the Server service will disappear from the services listing... Since I do not use File or Printer sharing I disable that service.
That Shows your knowledge is limited in this area...



Maybe if you knew how to read *and comprehend* at the same time you would understand that I was NOT questioning what other services need to be running so that server service would run or any other SERVICE, but was in fact questioning which services need to be running so that the CCC would function properly..

Try reading more carefully next time before insulting "my knowledge" pal. I don't care how smart you think you are, don't skim a post and think you know it all. Obviously you don't.


Maybe if the CCC had a "dependencies" tab as you seem to imply by your answer I wouldn't be wondering in the first place.







How do you know where I get my advice? Lots of half baked gaming sites huh? What, did you plant spyware on my machine or something? The fact is you have no clue where I go, what I know or who I "get advice" from..

Yeah, workstation is always on and set to automatic, duh....

**BEFORE YOUR arrogant condescending post**, I already figured out by looking at the error logs that the CCC needs the service service to run- That's why I wrote the post... hello?? You sound like you think the CCC is perfect in every way, and that all the problems people have are their fault. Hmm, interesting.







So the "god of all things computer related" has spoken, oh thank you almighty one for your sincere advice.

My PC boots almost instantly, everything works perfectly- Any services I have ever disabled are because I do not need them running for no reason.

So you have indexing, messenger, Net logon, file and printer sharing, remote desktop help session manager, and all the other unneeded services running all time? I guess you must, that is "default".. On a stand alone system such as mine I need none of those services running, I don't care what you say. The only reason I would need the server service running is because I want to use the CCC- which I don't.




Oh please get over yourself. You obviously think you know everything about everything and everyone should consult you before making any adjustments to their default setup. Maybe Microsoft should consult you before releasing their next OS? Maybe you could help write it? Wait, maybe you did, you seem to think you are omniscient.

There is no "Operator error" here- I disabled services I previously had no use for, the only reason they are needed now is for ONE APPLICATION, namely the CCC. Tell me how that is operator error Mr. WaltC, king of all that is and ever will be.. Tweaking your system for your own set of circumstances IS NOT operator error.

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apoch003

Okay, not to defend Walt, but...

Setting services to automatic, does not switch them on. They will only switch on when needed.

Maybe I should post the way I installed the 4.9's and ccc?


Seriously, set services to automatic or manual. None disabled unless you're sure that it isn't needed (like BWX says).

install .NET and all updates to .Net
Download the new 4.9 set WITH the full ccc (not separate components)

Uninstall the old ccc,display drivers AND the old control panel (IMPORTANT!).

reboot and cancel the autoinstallation of display driver (if you can. Not really necessary as just the display driver installing is fine... just DON'T reboot)

double click on the 40mb 4.9 download and install, following the directions. Choose express install. do NOT reboot after driver install, reboot after ccc install.

BWX

No I do not need to do that. All I have to do is enable the sever service and the CCC will work- I use the word "work" loosely. My argument is that ATI should make a "CCC" that doesn't need all the overhead of .NET and all the services only needed by the CCC- It's a freaking registry interface.

BWX

99% of the time, it certainly does mean they are always on.

Go into your services and sort by "startup type"- see the ones that set to automatic? Almost all are running running right?

The only one I have set to automatic and is not running is SymWMI Service, which isn't even an MS service...

ToxicDragon

This the only sensible comment I have seen in this whole thread

Home PC owners have NO NEED of .net

ATI CCC ..who cares how many skins it's got .. are we going play games or
play with the Control Centre

swatX

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