swatX

what vid card you have?

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edperks

I have benchmark before (4.8) & after (4.9) There was no meaningful difference in opengl
here are the results my system got.

8428 being before

8397 being after I installed 4.9

I thought these were made to help in doom 3?

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Robert McClelland

I have great news folkes and some bad lol Great news refreash rate is fix on games so far on my LCD screen. bad news is I lost 200 points in 3dmark01se 10840 In 3dmark03 I bench 3649 I lost 100 there oh well these set is very good contral panel works great. Um How do you turn on tv out on with new CCC? thanks . I would give this set a 7 because of lost in fps but leading towards right way. I stay next 4.10 would be awesome hopely I'm just glad refreash rate working on my LCD Flat screen in games now. Now I just have wait for omeas drivers come out soon

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The_Neon_Cowboy

9600xt w/over drive enabled

1st off to get a reliable bechmark you need you system (100% stable system+) setup properly for testing or your results can and will verry alot.... plus you need 3 clean runs and you uise tha adverage. with nothing else running etc or it can taint your result...

the opengl has changed as the opengl componet is larger in size

I assume there are paticular fixes for perfomance issues in doom III with high AA/AF ....

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edperks

Neon,

I ran It two times for each and only showed the top two scores, I also rebooted each time with fresh mem. But you might be right about them making special changes to make doom 3 run better I will test agian with timedemo with both and post my results. Thanks for the pointers.

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The_Neon_Cowboy

Well I'm not sure when ever I plug in the S-video cable it auto turns on in my system. Yet to play with it under ccc...

ok just hook it up let me get a shot for you....


but just go into CCC, chose the display manger under Graphics settings, click
detect displays... aif it isnt shown allready and if you video is physically hooked up to a device like a tv it will show in the additional displays box...

then you can click the wizzrd screen, run the wizzrd

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ronnn

The new ccc is confusing, but seems to work well. I am waiting to see about loading specific pre configured tweaks or settings for individual games (if that makes any sense). The drivers are stable as usual.

swatX

i expected somehwat more performence from these drivers. lost 8 fps in hl2 test 3 fps in dooomIII.

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The_Neon_Cowboy

yep it's a bit more complicated to use but thats how new things useally are...

the recent update might have an effect too... check your video settings in the sourse bech, also check your aa/af.. that last update fixed alot more and did alot more then they offically annouced...

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swatX

what do you mean by recent update?


i set my settings at app preff in old cp and put everything on high reflect world and 2xAA and AF on both of my tests.

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reno

Well, another vanilla release of drivers. My system runs exactly the same as with the 4.7s and 4.8s. The new control panel (for 4.8 and for 4.9) is worthless and doesn't really do anything new for me except eat up 50 megs of memory with two instances of CLI.exe running...even when I've closed the control panel to the system tray. Back to using the good ol' fashioned one.

Doom 3 performance at 1024x768 @ high detail went from 46.2 to 46.8 frames per second. Yay.

3dMark is still in the 18k range, although interestingly enough...I looked at some of my archived scores. With the old Cat 3.10s I scored about 16.8k 3dmarks with the latest version of 2001SE, compared to the 18.3k I just got with the 4.9s, all I've gotta say is, whoa - pretty big jump.

Even though synthetic benchmarks are almost completely and utterly worthless, but hey. I haven't tested any other games yet because I have a stupid lecture tomorrow morning, blah. Max overclock I can get on my viddy without any artifacting (using ATITool, wonderful program) is still 402/712. Boo. But then again, my system is still fast enough for me, so blah again.

Overall a mediocre download with barely noticable perks, and GOD I hate that stupid, clunky looking, memory hogging, worthless control center. What the hell were they thinking?

eggs420

Not even going to bother installing, unless omega works some magic in his release..Nothing for me at all included cept the optional buggy cp. Woot.

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BWX

Ok, ignore this post if you don't want to hear worthless ranting about something as insignificant as a video card control panel... with that said:


First of all that is not only an "unintuitive" place to put it, is an absolutely unintelligent place to HIDE IT..... Especially since there is no reason to be hiding controls! It is decisions like that and many others that make me wonder what the hell ATI is thinking lately.

Not to mention it is almost pointless anyway- it doesn't work, well only in a certain very few situations.
--What if I want to run my 2D desktop at 1200 x 900, or any other resolution @ 75 hz, but I want to run games at 85hz at a lower resolution and there is no control in the game to control refresh rate? What do I do then? Change my desktop res and refresh temporarily to whatever I want to run my 3d app at- Of course I could use one of those 3rd party apps. They work, sometimes, but they always cause other problems that are worse like stuttering, hitching, crashes, etc... Why hasn't ATI thought of a solution to that problem in the past 5 years?

This is what we need to have: A list of resolutions that my monitor supports, and then force each resolution to a refresh rate that will be used for that resolution. ALL set all the time.. Can I patent that? IF so ATI owes me royalties because they need to implement that feature into their next set of drivers and advertise it as a "advanced resolution and refresh rate memory and control" - something Nvidia Doesn't have, or do they now?

That is a simple idea that should have been implemented years ago- it's bugged me for a long time. Why after all this time and all the "features" ATI puts in it's drivers that no one uses EVER, can't they put a useful an obvious feature like that in there? Don't even get me started w/ Digital Vibrance- I hear they are actually going to finally do something about that though.. Yippy, At this rate I will be back to DV by the time that happens. (just kidding)

I also don't understand why with this new CCC, The windows are set to a certain size and cannot be changed- it is very inconvenient being forced to scroll through all the tiny little areas to change the settings when they all could be put on about 3 tabbed pages, even way less than the "old" control panel.. It's asinine. Case in point:



There should be no scroll bars in the driver control panel.. ever. Why was the decision made to make the words that *describe the setting* take up more room than space alloted to put the*control for it*? There is no reason I should have to click through 8 entire "pages" and have one control on each page, and then have an "advanced- no preview" view that is nothing more than a cobbled together afterthought to put most of the controls people need to access most of the time.. Like basic AA, AF, refresh, Vsync, etc, etc...

On top of that the CCC does not remember it's position on the screen. Every time I open it, the CCC pops up where it is in the screenshot below even when I center it and then close it with a res of 1024 x 768.. That causes the annoying HIDDEN ATI WEBSITE shortcut <--- (WTF? Why is that even there?) to be placed permanently over the bottom scrollbar of the graphic settings "TAB" hmmm, hasn't been fixed in this version either..


Another thing that the new CCC does wrong: When you have it open, then click on the desktop, then click back on the CCC to move it, the CCC hangs and then jumps to the position you tried to move it. For me it is still very sluggish in general and doesn't respond to inputs any where near as fast as the "regular" "old" Control Panel..

I can understand wanting to make the control panel look good and have more functionality, but if it comes at the cost of one ounce of usability or ease of use, the the whole thing is a waste of time.. Make the damn thing work perfect first, and look good second. Who cares what it looks like? If it were designed better we wouldn't have to have the thing open for more than 10 seconds at a time, as it is it takes 10 seconds for the CCC to start. (at least it seems like it does) **I guess if I count from the time I click the icon it only takes 5 seconds, that is 4 and a half second too long..**

I wouldn't care at all or even so much bother to voice my concerns, but for the fact that eventually there will be no "old" CP, and this horrible, unintuitive, unresponsive but very very good looking interface will be the only thing available..

It's like having a HOT girlfriend or wife that is a complete bitch that doesn't "do" anything- if you know what I mean.. I'd rather have an average looking girl that is fun to be with and make me happy, day and night if you know what I mean!!! -and not call the next day.

This CCC is like the hot girlfriend that is a spoiled rotten brat that's an ICE QUEEN, but damn she is nice to look at huh? So what, I'm still dumping her for the plain Jane that is fun to be with, and isn't such a nag.

As it is right now, the skins still don't work:

Notice the actual CCC is not changing..

This window is messed up-


Don't know if that info is "supposed" to be there or not- but it seems like it should be.


This window is the same deal-


Everything else on my PC works perfect- games run all day long, windows never gives errors or crashes. All fine and dandy until this- And YES ASP.NET is running, .NET 1.1 updated and installed on Windows XP pro SP1. if ATI would put out a list of needed processes and or services that are needed to run this thing, maybe I could get my tweaked version of windows to accept it. Don't know what else to do but uninstall it and use the regular CP until they quit offering it.. Does it need the "server" service and all the supporting services running and set to auto or something? Does it need Any other obscure service running? Who knows? I'm not going to be the guinea pig and try to figure out which one it is. There's too damn many and I like how my PC runs without all that crap on, I don't run a network or anything, so I don't need them...


This won't really happen ---> {Then instead of an X800pro I will buy an Nvidia card of the same value- Even they wouldn't make software quite this sadistic!!} (but damn this CCC makes me think that way for a few seconds here and there...)


Ok, nuff said, it's only a damn control panel, I shouldn't really even care that much.. It's like when Honda decided that a double wishbone front suspension system wasn't necessary anymore- WTF were they thinking? Yeah, struts are good enough, NOT.. As far as Jap. cars go they were the shit- A blown Honda Prelude, Front wheel drive perfection... Bahhh.. I'll just get a WRXsti. Or a dumb Mustang. Ok, forget it. I'll just build a Harley and drive to Mexico. Who needs a dumb Pc anyway.


** PS
Oh yeah, I will give the 4.9 drivers an 8 or 9 w/o even testing them, because I know they are spot on. Of course they are, ATI drivers rock-

I give the control panel a big fat negative 2 because it sucks. Have a nice day, no offense to the guys who made the thing but damn dudes, give a brother something to work with over here.

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BWX

I'll tell you one thing, The Omega's based on the 4.8's are about the smoothest, best looking, most stable drivers I have ever installed on any machine..

They are a masterfully tweaked video gaming gift from god... Who knows how he does it, but damn they are smooooothhh, fast, and bug free!! I'll try the 4.9's w/o the CCC, If I see one hitch, twitch, stutter or glitch- they get tossed and I put the Omega 4.8's back on until the Omega 4.9's come out...

K&N!!! cool.....

evrt63

just installed the 4.9's, i have a 9700pro. on a whim i ran the 3dmark 03 right after installation. i must say this is the best cats yet. I.Q. was the best yet and to boot i some how managed to get my best 3dmark score yet even though i had all services running and didnt over clock at all! (which is what i had to do to get my previous highest score). fantastic job ATI!

The_Neon_Cowboy

theres been two biggies in the last couple weeks 8/31
Counter-strike: Source Beta Update

the big update from yesterday 9/8th
Counter-Strike Source Beta Update Released

the beta's size grew like 18%, they fixed alot of my gripes plus some....

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BWX

Ahh HAaaa!!


All these error logs when I was trying to use CCC earlier.
This is why I am getting all the problems.


[COLOR=Red]Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 9/9/2004
Time: 10:46:26 pm
User: N/A
Computer: -
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À






Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 9/9/2004
Time: 11:15:15 pm
User: N/A
Computer: -
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À









Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 9/9/2004
Time: 11:16:34 pm
User: N/A
Computer: -
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À






Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 9/9/2004
Time: 11:22:11 pm
User: N/A
Computer: -
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À










Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 9/9/2004
Time: 11:54:06 pm
User: N/A
Computer: -
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À





Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 9/10/2004
Time: 12:12:32 am
User: N/A
Computer: -
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À







Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 9/10/2004
Time: 12:37:32 am
User: N/A
Computer: -
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À [/COLOR]





Now I see it- It does need ALL those services running, I thought it was just the loop-back thing it needed.. But no, if you have all those dumb services turned off (Server and all the services needed to support it) I forgot how many there are, but there are a bunch, Clipbook, Network DDE, Network DDE DSDM maybe too?


I wonder if it needs secondary logon? Remote registry? TCP/IP NetBIOS??
Does terminal services or Fast user switching need to be on? I sure as Hell wish ATI would list these somewhere. I know a bunch of different services have to be running for server to even re-appear in the services list. (it is not there now even for me to turn on) I wonder if computer browser has to be running for CCC to run correctly??

That is where the MEMORY HOG part comes into play here, I don't care what anyone says- All these services take up lots of memory that would otherwise not be needed on many many tweaked systems..

http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Especially GAMING SYSTEMS that are tweaked to get all the use of the expensive 1 gig of ram needed to run today's games such as FC, D3, and HL2 soon..... Like mine.

That's the problem here- I'm not setting everything to default "all services on all the time" Microsoft default Style of running XP- also less secure by the way, especially for always on connections like my cable connection..

Just because most people have no idea how to tweak XP for peak Gaming performance and install this control panel, then see no difference in "real" mem usage and gaming performance doesn't mean I won't when I have to turn on all the extra services I had turned completely off and disabled for the past 3 years, over many installs of WinXP.. No thanks, not for a registry editor. Unless of course it is just a few select services that ATI say need to be running. I'll wait to hear from them on this one. otherwise no CCC for me.
I knew there was a catch.

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WisMerHill

Great, an UT2004 performance boost, just what the doctor ordered

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HawK

Strange.. I got better results with a 9700nonpro & AMD XP1600 (using GLXS 1.2v) still need to do other res. but something not as it should be on your system Ed

Perfect Reason

My ut2004 got a great boost. Love it ..
Also my CS and TFT improved aswell...
But.. Since UT1 cant handle Anisotropic filtering and Antialiasing.
Because it has texture corruptions all over the place. :/
(which i use ONLY for opengl games)
The new ccc is not suited for me i think..
Because i cant seem to find any way to have spesific OGL and D3D Settings. Since i use very different settings for each..

Is there any way for me to fix this without having to revert to the old boring CP?

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Well, there's just ONE service mentioned here that you have turned off that should always be on--the server service. Just one. There's no "all" involved. If you take a look at it and check its dependencies, you'll find that the server service has *no dependencies.* It requires no other services running *at all* in order to run. All the info you think you know about this is wrong. Just set your server service to automatic and forget about it.

That's your problem--way too much "wondering" and not enough basic knowledge. Open services.msc and check the dependencies--no need to wonder at all.

The problem is that you don't understand what's happening and you are full of lots of *bad advice* from half-baked gaming sites that literally have no clue. I have 1 gig of ram, too, and run almost all of my seervices set to automatic (far more of them on than off), and FC and D3 run without the slightest problem for me. Disabling services XP needs doesn't help your games run better, it just assures your OS *won't* and it assures you will have *problems* when you run applications that expect the default set of services to be enabled--like the CCC, for instance. No question about it--if nothing else, the server and workstation services should *always* be on.

My sincere advice is that people not change the default WinXP services schedule unless they know exactly what they are doing and why. The result otherwise will be what you experienced--a system that runs like *crap* and *boots slow* and lots of other undersirable things when you install software that expects the default set of XP services to be available. Disabling a bunch of services without a clue as to why you are doing it is not "tweaking", it's just reckless and you'll pay the price with system performance and stability.

This is a classic case illustrating the principle of "Operator Error" at work. You shouldn't feel too bad, though as I imagine you have plenty of company... Some of these "gaming sites" with their "recommendations" should be made to pay for the pain and suffering they can cause people who take their often very bad advice... I gave the 4.9 CCC's a "10" here and have had absolutely no problem with them--but then again, I have a system that's running a default set of services, more or less, so I'm getting the full functionality of the OS I paid for--whereas you are not as you've crippled XP on the advice of people who don't have to live with the results you're living with...

Bottom Line: Services are *not* the enemy people think they are (usually because they don't understand them.) They are there to provide functionality and performance for the OS and the software the OS supports, and that can even include games and 3d-card drivers, believe it or not.

Silent Buddha

Black Viper. My parents always said if you cannot say anything nice about someone, don't say anything. So No Comment on him.

Well, off to download the drivers and see if I can actually use them with my DVI connection, or if I'll still be stuck using the Cat 4.7's.

Silent Buddha

Drakor

FarCry 1.2 on Radeon 9100 is still corrupted in some places

The_Neon_Cowboy

you still crying about memory useage lol

be sure you get it right as in memory you mean "VIRTUAL MEMORY" as in you page file as in HDD space....

Becouse it's not useing much physical memory, as in ram, unless you turn off your swap

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HawK

Usually I agree with you, but see my post here http://www.driverheaven.net/showthre...958#post439958 please..

Gizmo[5h1t3]

the cli.exe on mycomp flat refuses to start...so i cant get into the CCC at all.
saying that...all my games seem to run a little smoother with these cats installed.

any suggestions as to why the CCC wont stat??
im running xp pro, with sp2 installed.
all firewalls disabled to test it.

Datagg

Im having really good luck with them. Cs source seems to look alot better, smoother textues, and colors seem more crisp. The entire feel in all games seems smoother. Il ike em, nice panel also, works well with the new feeling of speed.....good job ATI

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The_Neon_Cowboy

try installing the .net 2.0 beta

re install the 4.9's
also reinstall CCC from the C:ati\support\ folder

be sure to choose the repair option

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Gizmo[5h1t3]

il have a bash at that m8...cheers for the help
will get back with results.

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Gizmo[5h1t3]

k...all i did was install the .net 2.0 beta as advised by neon....and now it works fine.

got an error message at first...saying that a few services needed to operate the control centre were disabled...but that was easily solved.
many thanks mate....working ok now.

gotta reiterate how smooth the games now seem....halo especially.....with the 4.9`s.

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