Catalyst Control Centre Preview and Interview

***Veridian3*** · Sep 2, 2004, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

If not, Nvidia here I come.

What makes you so sure NV dont have something similar in the works which they are releasing because ATI released CCC? I'll guarantee you they are working on an advanced user interface like devils in order to catch up.

BWX · Sep 2, 2004, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Veridian3

BWX,

The memory that is occupied by the CATALYST Control Center will be released when other applications require more memory.

There is more than one cli.exe because CCC has been separated into different components (a unique instance of CLI.exe per component) because it allows ATI to tune the characteristics of the process instance to the type of component. One component is called the "Runtime", which acts as a server to all of the other client components. The two other client components are the "User-Interface" and the "System Tray". The client "CLI.exe"s are tuned differently to enhance performance; the "User-Interface" client is optimized to run for short periods of time, whereas the "System Tray" client is designed to run for long periods of time. The "preview.exe" file (used for the 3D preview) is a based on the Win32 process (whereas the rest of the CATALYST Control Center is based on the .NET framework), and is strictly an OpenGL application. Note that the preview "preview.exe" process is used only when the "User-Interface" is operating, and is ended as soon as the CATALYST Control Center is closed.

On the memory front CCC is far more advanced than the old control panel and as a result it requires more system memory. It should also be noted that when the CATALYST Control Center loads and initializes, the operating system allocates memory as needed. However, since the it is built using the Microsoft .NET Framework, it appears to consume more memory during initialization than it actually uses during normal runtime operation. Thus, after a few moments, the operating system releases most of the initial memory allocation, leaving only the core amount needed for normal operation.

(The 3D preview is an OpenGL application that uses a number of textures and shaders and requires approximately 20 MB of RAM while it is running as soon as the CATALYST Control Center is closed the preview stops running, and releases the occupied RAM.)

And remember you can always grab the SDK and create your own version with only the features you need...cutting down on resource use.

Ok, that explains some things, I understand that it will take some more ram than previous versions which is totally acceptable, but the least amount I could get it down to is about 50mb, (after disabling the system tray app and shutting down the control center)

That is still 50mb more than the previous drivers. Hopefully the ram will be "released" as you say, but I'm thinking that not nearly even 30 mb will be released when Farcry needs the ram- I guess I'll have to do some testing or something.. I still would like to know If ASP.net is needed to get functionality, because it seems like some things still don't work right for me, but I have a lot of services disabled that these drivers could possible need.

Oh well. too early to tell, I guess the answers will found out soon.

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well i dont know if this is a proper release lol
and BMX chill OUT your freaking lol

LOL-- yeah, I am freaking, my system memory is important to me since I cannot afford any more right now....

***Veridian3*** · Sep 2, 2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

but I'm thinking that not nearly even 30 mb will be released when Farcry needs the ram- I guess I'll have to do some testing or something..

My testing showed a difference of +/- 0.5% in results between 4.8 with the old CP and 4.8 with CCC. Thats with 1gb of memory. (Tested Doom3, Farcry and Source)

I dont disable ASP.net however seeing as its installed with .net framework i would assume its a requirement to have it running.

BWX · Sep 2, 2004, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Veridian3

It is very important to note that all CATALYST Control Center communications that use the .NET channels are "localhost" only, which means there is absolutely no connection to outside non-local systems. Unfortunately users may see warnings from various firewalls, as most firewall software is unable to differentiate between "localhost" and "outside" connections.

That's good to know, I don't have a software firewall anymore so it shouldn't make a difference there- All those errors were probably created after I disabled the cli.exe and tried to run the control center anyway, I haven't rebooted to experiment yet, so I'll try that now..

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I dont disable ASP.net however seeing as its installed with .net framework i would assume its a requirement to have it running.

Yeah, I'm going to turn it on and see what happens. Hopefully the actual ASP.NET account is not required, as I have deleted it.
Also wondering if Hotkey poller is needed to just get some of the normal functionality to work, I'll experiment with that too...

ViRuS2k · Sep 2, 2004, 08:26 AM

BMX why dont you run WinXP Pro with out if THEME SUPPORT:

that will shrink off about 40 meg of memory.

***Zardon*** · Sep 2, 2004, 08:28 AM

I know this is quite a radical change guys, but go and give them a good testing out before jumping to any conclusions (im not saying they are good or bad, im in the middle here with this post).

If anyone can run some tests in benchmarks etc and real world gaming tests and compare in this thread it would benefit everyone. thanks.

Danhill · Sep 2, 2004, 08:34 AM

Do you need to unistal something before installing the new ccc

ViRuS2k · Sep 2, 2004, 08:34 AM

I will do some tests when i can download them 56kk is slowwwwwwwwwww

im pritty neutral at the mo myself so im hopeing it wont be a disapointment.....

ViRuS2k · Sep 2, 2004, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Danhill

Do you need to unistal something before installing the new ccc

My guess would be just the old CP pannel reboot then install the NEW CC pannel

reboot ect

Sparxxx · Sep 2, 2004, 08:38 AM

Just install it normal.U don't need to uninstal anything.
Anyone knows about the new drivers?When do they come out?

***Veridian3*** · Sep 2, 2004, 08:41 AM

http://www.bit-tech.net/article/142/4

The above link compares scores between drivers, as you'll see the scores match my +/- 0.5% findings.

Luckily enough for BWX the test system uses a 2200mhz AXP and 1gb memory...

BWX · Sep 2, 2004, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ViRuS2k

BMX why dont you run WinXP Pro with out if THEME SUPPORT:that will shrink off about 40 meg of memory.

My theme doesn't use anywhere near 40mb of system ram anyway. Plus that's not really the point. A video card driver that uses 50 - 70 MB of system ram all the time is my concern. I mean think about people that still have on;y 512mb of system ram (millions of people)- what about them? What about when even 1 gig is not enough for new games and you have a driver using 50mb? That's fine if you have 1.5 or 2 gigs of ram, but most don't...

Also I think it's fine if there is a "stripped down" version of the driver for people like me who hate bloatware. As far as I can see there isn't, and that might be something ATI should be working on real soon. If they don't I know that MANY people will be very agitated at this bloatware driver release.

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Originally Posted by Veridian3

Luckily enough for BWX the test system uses a 2200mhz AXP and 1gb memory...

lol- unluckily I don't have the same video card...

edit- sidenote-
http://www.bit-tech.net/images/artic.../artefacts.jpg

I noticed this screen (link above) when smartgart initialized after the initial install.. Scared me at first, then it went away.

Poppi · Sep 2, 2004, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

I know this is quite a radical change guys, but go and give them a good testing out before jumping to any conclusions (im not saying they are good or bad, im in the middle here with this post).

If anyone can run some tests in benchmarks etc and real world gaming tests and compare in this thread it would benefit everyone. thanks.

Really, this looks like a nice app. So enjoy it and have some trust in ATI.

MindlessOath · Sep 2, 2004, 05:25 PM

just to let you naysayers know, nvidia is ALSO using a .net solution in a future application, and they are working on a type of clone to this idea of ATI's.

so if you are a nay sayer, then just use the old control panel for the few months it will be available, and dont complain u will goto nvidia because u have a fine solution already (hence what i just said) and nvidia will be doing this. more info can be found at www.rage3d.com forums that i already stated it in, MANY times.

Spriggan17 · Sep 2, 2004, 10:42 PM

Where is feature to GPU overclock?????????????

swatX · Sep 3, 2004, 03:06 AM

overdrive? you should have it? what vid card are you using?

Vampyromaniac · Sep 3, 2004, 03:42 AM

"Application Manager allows users to manage their display(s) more effectively. For example applications can be defined areas of the screen to use, profiles can be set up and most interestingly zoom in/out of the application window without experiencing any of the pixelation normally associated with zoom functions."

if they could make something like Apple's ExposÃ©, I'd like to see that

petri1 · Sep 3, 2004, 04:03 AM

radeon 9800PRO (gecube EE)

Widkidone · Sep 8, 2004, 02:39 PM

[QUOTE=Veridian3]"Today that all changes as ATI release Catalyst 4.9 and Catalyst Control Centre."

HMMM something is missing? Where are the 4.9s?

MindlessOath · Sep 8, 2004, 04:04 PM

4.9 shoudl be out next week or the week after depending on some things.
http://www.driverheaven.net/showthre...d=1#post438773

tornado=[GSW]= · Sep 8, 2004, 04:47 PM

tried it on 2 x800 pro cards, the 3d preview artifacts on anything over standard clock speeds, one one I had to lower the clockspeed below standard to remve artifacts, applying FSAA or AF causes the app to hang, need to close it from task manager, AF setting does not stick, keeps resettng to app preference, driver settings totally screwed after uninstalling the CCC, had to reinstall the drivers, refresh rate override is borked, resets to 60 Hz everytime I run a game/app.

Overall I just love the app...

u wish

MindlessOath · Sep 8, 2004, 05:09 PM

the next release will fix more stuff.
but just remember to report your findings to the ATI feedback form. - link in my sig for u lazy ass people.

hakpet · Sep 25, 2004, 03:54 AM

Hi,

Well I've deleted the CCC and gone back to the old system. The CCC slowed down my system in desktop environment and in the boot sequnce totaly unacceptable.

My card is a R9700 Pro and I run XP Pro with SP2 and all .NET upgrades. The old panel have restored my PC to a crisp response in all things regarding my screen.

I sincerely hope they either keep this dual possibility or fix the CCC.

regards

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MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,142 Rep Power: 0	just to let you naysayers know, nvidia is ALSO using a .net solution in a future application, and they are working on a type of clone to this idea of ATI's. so if you are a nay sayer, then just use the old control panel for the few months it will be available, and dont complain u will goto nvidia because u have a fine solution already (hence what i just said) and nvidia will be doing this. more info can be found at www.rage3d.com forums that i already stated it in, MANY times. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

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*Zardon* enchanted Join Date: May 2002 Location: Driverheaven Posts: 32,275 Rep Power: 3150	I know this is quite a radical change guys, but go and give them a good testing out before jumping to any conclusions (im not saying they are good or bad, im in the middle here with this post). If anyone can run some tests in benchmarks etc and real world gaming tests and compare in this thread it would benefit everyone. thanks.

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*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 2,999 Rep Power: 72	http://www.bit-tech.net/article/142/4 The above link compares scores between drivers, as you'll see the scores match my +/- 0.5% findings. Luckily enough for BWX the test system uses a 2200mhz AXP and 1gb memory...

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MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,142 Rep Power: 0	4.9 shoudl be out next week or the week after depending on some things. http://www.driverheaven.net/showthre...d=1#post438773 __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison Last edited by MindlessOath; Sep 8, 2004 at 04:24 PM.

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tornado=[GSW]= Compulsive HW Monger Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Baton Rouge, LA, USA Posts: 148 Rep Power: 0	tried it on 2 x800 pro cards, the 3d preview artifacts on anything over standard clock speeds, one one I had to lower the clockspeed below standard to remve artifacts, applying FSAA or AF causes the app to hang, need to close it from task manager, AF setting does not stick, keeps resettng to app preference, driver settings totally screwed after uninstalling the CCC, had to reinstall the drivers, refresh rate override is borked, resets to 60 Hz everytime I run a game/app. Overall I just love the app... u wish

Sep 8, 2004, 05:09 PM	#52
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,142 Rep Power: 0	the next release will fix more stuff. but just remember to report your findings to the ATI feedback form. - link in my sig for u lazy ass people. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Sep 25, 2004, 03:54 AM	#53
hakpet DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Hi, Well I've deleted the CCC and gone back to the old system. The CCC slowed down my system in desktop environment and in the boot sequnce totaly unacceptable. My card is a R9700 Pro and I run XP Pro with SP2 and all .NET upgrades. The old panel have restored my PC to a crisp response in all things regarding my screen. I sincerely hope they either keep this dual possibility or fix the CCC. regards