Digital Vibrance substitute for ATI drivers

-=Seaniemoo=- · Sep 25, 2003, 10:48 AM

Hopefully their will be a lot of posts and somebody from ati will notice and get this feature added.

wertret · Sep 25, 2003, 10:52 AM

wait until the incommig catalyst (8 october), i'm sure they wiil have more features than you can handle...

Pluvious · Sep 25, 2003, 12:30 PM

Before we get into praising the Digital Viberance feature and asking for a simular feature, we might want to hold on and see what the 3.8's have in store. Maybe they've already picked up on the fact that it is an awesome feature and added it.

We also don't want anyone breaking their NDA either.

Let's start this poll after Oct 8th instead.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_dvc.html

-=Seaniemoo=- · Sep 25, 2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by wertret
wait until the incommig catalyst (8 october), i'm sure they wiil have more features than you can handle...

Yeah and the new son of god may be born on the 8th

S7ATiC · Sep 27, 2003, 07:29 PM

I don't get why it's such a big deal..
Digital Vibrance is just a hack where you tack on an overlay that boosts the overall saturation of individual colors with a few multipliers..
Saturation asin the H(ue)S(aturation)I(ntensity) color-scale.

Or is it intensity? And I don't know if boost is the correct terminology here, or rather 'kill' the saturation -- less 'gray'.

anywho.. What they don't tell you is that by enabling this feature, not only do colors become more 'vibrant', but those drab colors (as large a span as 64 up, or on 'low' vibrance as 192 up) no longer exist because of these multipliers turning them into colors higher up in the scale. Eg. at Max vibrance, RGB 192 0 0 (a decently bright red) becomes appoximately, if not exactly, equal to the same color as 255 0 0 (brightest red possible).

I guess this is fine tho, cuz you can just as easily disable DV -- and it's a rather feasable alternative to washing out textures by using overall gamma to see things better in dark games.. but still.. it's not a big deal, and I don't know if ATI should implement it because it is abused just as much as gamma-washers in games like halflife, quake 3, and ut2k3.

BWX · Sep 27, 2003, 08:01 PM

Well I would at least like the option to try it- I used it very sparingly with my old ti4200 and I know what you mean, it does wash out some low level colors. But if you adjust it properly you can make it only brighten the colors enough so that the colors it washes out are the ones you cannot see because they are too dark anyway.

It's a good option to have for many games, otherwise you need to just crank up the brightness, which leads to a washed out look, or settle for the darkness, and have correct colors. Either way, it should be an option on a card that cost 350 dollars if you can get it on a card that cost 100 dollars. Let the consumer decide if he/she wants to utilize it or not.

If they do it precisely enough, maybe it wouldn't cause you to lose color information. I think that should be possible.

I vote YES.

Just in-case it isn't included in the 3.8's.

Pluvious · Sep 28, 2003, 01:00 PM

I beg to differ. The DV feature on Nvidia is outstanding for desktop and games. The Detonator 30.xx where quite noticeably adjusted, and I remember each new DET had fine tuned it so much that my once HALF way slider became TOO oversaturated and looked bloomy.. I had to knock it down to one notch up instead. But it was enough to make the desktop and games POP and look more vibrant and it seemed to add some 'depth' to the images. The url I put in the 3rd message has a screen shot and it's not exaggerated.. that's about how dramatic the difference is. I don't care HOW they do it.. but I want that feature on my ATI card too. It took me WEEKS to get over how black and white my monitor looked without it.

If the feature; or something like it, is NOT in the 3.8's then we should really start asking for it now and not wait. (poll?)

Is it breaking a NDA if someone where to say if its not in the 3.8?

Falstaff · Sep 28, 2003, 01:38 PM

I for one find any improvement a boost for total immersion...but I also enjoy photo editing and I have all my two eyeballs can handle now...
is this a feature that makes fragging more interesting or flight sims more believable, if it is..then fine

***Omegadrive*** · Sep 28, 2003, 01:51 PM

Let's just say, that's NOT one of the new features...

Pluvious · Sep 28, 2003, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Omegadrive
Let's just say, that's NOT one of the new features...

BUMMER!!!

I was assuming it would have been a no brainer to add this sort of feature. How do we put a 'suggestion' in to ATI officially?
I still would like to see some sort of verison of DV on ATI in the future.

edit: Thank you for letting me know, I'm sad... but at least I can stop building up my hopes now.

~~Crash Override~~ · Sep 28, 2003, 02:37 PM

I hate it when friggin former nVidia users try to pimp DV to ATi users

Thats like asking god to make the sky a brighter blue because you got used to it on another planet

it is presumptuous to think that way

nVidias partners have some of the shittiest colors on the cards and they need DV to even get anything close to real color

Now I am someone who is as picky as all hell about my colors and I can tell you right now I can make my colors 100% real as is with the 3.7 color sliders

then again there are always those who have to have the "Vegas" version of real colors

BWX · Sep 28, 2003, 02:40 PM

There is enough people that would like it that ATI should at least give us the option.

tek · Sep 28, 2003, 02:44 PM

Add it, wtf, just for the hell of it, lets try it out.

Raptor · Sep 28, 2003, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by Crash Override
I hate it when friggin former nVidia users try to pimp DV to ATi users

Thats like asking god to make the sky a brighter blue because you got used to it on another planet

it is presumptuous to think that way

nVidias partners have some of the shittiest colors on the cards and they need DV to even get anything close to real color

Now I am someone who is as picky as all hell about my colors and I can tell you right now I can make my colors 100% real as is with the 3.7 color sliders

then again there are always those who have to have the "Vegas" version of real colors

I agree totally! DV is a *necessary* Gadget/hack for Nvidia cards as they look dim and colorless without it! Don't think ATI wants to use a Nvidia driver cheat anyway and I hope they don't. Leave my Cat/Omega's alone

BWX · Sep 28, 2003, 05:05 PM

You people are ridiculous - if you don't want it, turn it off, simple. What the hell do you care if someone else wants it and ATI puts it in as an OPTION.

Raptor · Sep 28, 2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by BWX232
You people are ridiculous - if you don't want it, turn it off, simple. What the hell do you care if someone else wants it and ATI puts it in as an OPTION.

Doh! It's already there! Just check the "Color Tab" on the "Control Panel" This Nvidia thingy is certainly not going to be "Adopted" by arch rival ATI anyway so forget it! (don't hit me)

Pluvious · Sep 28, 2003, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by Crash Override
I can make my colors 100% real as is with the 3.7 color sliders then again there are always those who have to have the "Vegas" version of real colors

I see that you've never used it youself since you said that. Why don't you be quiet about things you don't know of? There is no possible way to emulate the DV feature by messing with the colors. BELIEVE ME I'VE TRIED. It's just not the same. PERIOD.

Pluvious · Sep 28, 2003, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Big Red
Doh! It's already there! Just check the "Color Tab" on the "Control Panel" This Nvidia thingy is certainly not going to be "Adopted" by arch rival ATI anyway so forget it! (don't hit me)

It's a patented feature that Nvidia has. IT IS NOT JUST ADJUSTING YOUR COLORS! If you don't know what your talking about then I suggest you butt out.

ATI won't call it the same thing, but can certainly add a simular function to the drivers. It's actually used for LCD monitors more then for CRT's. It's not necessary but it made a huge difference and really enhanced my 2d and 3d experience. Again read the spec page on Nvidias site and understand that this is not a simple color enhancement.

Rayder · Sep 29, 2003, 02:53 AM

Seems like it should be an easy option to ad to the drivers, I mean the AIW tuner has 'color saturation' so why not the video drivers themselves?

Now, I really don't care if the feature is there or not, doesn't really make no nevermind to me. But I coined a name they could use if ATI wanted to add the feature, at least as far as I know I came up with the name.

They could call it 'Radiance Level". Sounds cool, and it plays on the 'Radeon' name. Not bad, eh?

Raptor · Sep 29, 2003, 03:03 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Pluvious

then I suggest you butt out.

ok, I'll butt out.

Logla · Sep 29, 2003, 03:48 AM

If ATi want to put it in then I'll not complain. I'll probably never use it and so wont complain if they dont.

***Veridian3*** · Sep 29, 2003, 05:32 AM

You want DV you buy Nvidia...

...you want the best card with the best IQ you buy ATI.

Choice is yours

Stu

BWX · Sep 29, 2003, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by Rayder
Seems like it should be an easy option to ad to the drivers, I mean the AIW tuner has 'color saturation' so why not the video drivers themselves?

I've often thought the exact same thing. Oh, and Radiance Level would be perfect. I think it has allot to do w/ the monitor you have if you think you would need it or not. some monitors just have better colors than others, even the same brand and model.

-=Seaniemoo=- · Oct 1, 2003, 01:42 PM

Its as simple as this guys i have 2 comps one with a 9700 and one with gf4200, I put the same game on each comp and sit back and look at them, the gf4200 with DV enabled looks so much better, the picture on a 3d game looks to have more depth and the 3d just looks more 3d ish. I asked two friends who honestly dunno what graphic cards even are, both of them straight away said the game with nvidia DV enabled looks best. Dont be fanboys of ati (nor nvidia) and just use what you like best and i like the DV option on games, thats why my 9700 comp is gathering dust, and yes i know its a waste thats why i want a DV alternative in ati drivers. If you dont want the option and they do put it in their drivers dont turn it on theres not a problem.

RIV@NVX · Oct 1, 2003, 01:53 PM

Digital Vibrance(tm), making your colors too intensive and more unrealistic.

ATI doesn't need such a thing.