Games lock up after 30 secs plus other problems

GT86 · Feb 25, 2003, 11:16 PM

I'm having major problems with my 9700 pro from Ati

I have a p4 2.53 ghz cpu with a Shuttle AV49N P4X400 motherboard and I'm using the onboard AC97 sound and onboard Lan and a Ati 9700 pro. I installed Windows Xp Home installed the latest Via 4.45 4in1 drivers then installed the latest 3.1 Ati drivers and then Directx 9 . I turned off fast write (off by default in bios) . When I go to play any game or do a benchmark in 3d mark03 my pc locks up after about 30 secs only way I can not get this to happen is to use either the windows xp default agp driver or Via's 4.38 agp driver which are both 4x from what I have read but when I goto options in the Ati control panel and click details it says 0x agp even though smartgart says 4x and agp texture acceleration is now faded out and disabled in dx 9 Diag tool. The only way I can get Agp texture acceleration on and enabled in Dx 9 is by using a Via 8x agp driver but then no games will work for more than 30 secs and Smargart won't let me drop down to 4x agp it automaticly switches back to 8x upon rebooting. I also can not change my Agp speed in the bios I can only change the aperture size from agp mode to 256mb. Which I have the apeture set to 128 everything else is set to the default setting which is either disabled or auto.

Talicni_Tom · Feb 25, 2003, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GT86
I'm having major problems with my 9700 pro from Ati

Wrong.You have problem with crappy VIA chipset.Do yourself a favor and buy a decent mobo.

GT86 · Feb 25, 2003, 11:40 PM

nice constructive help there

karlotta · Feb 26, 2003, 12:42 AM

uninstall the 3.1 then reinstall from the device manager. this will remove the smartgart, which is ,i think the issue here.

You will need to install the driver to a location that you can find, and just before it installs select CANCEL then install from the Devicemanager, by selecting the path to where the 3.1s are at. If this is too much ,use Omegas latest. His drivers have the smartgart removed.

And for the asshole that said via chipsets are bad... im on a Kt133a right now and have NO PROBLEMS!!!!!! EVERR!!!!!!! . you just have to learn the ins and outs of windows. and your MB. Also install DX9 before the drivers. Hope we can get this working for you.

digitalwanderer · Feb 26, 2003, 12:44 AM

Did you re-install the Cat 3.1 drivers after installing the new Via drivers?

GT86 · Feb 26, 2003, 12:57 AM

the the new via drivers were done after i reinstalled windows and then i installed the cat drivers

ToshiroOC · Feb 26, 2003, 12:57 AM

It is true that the KT400's sometimes have problems with 9700 cards

Have you tried raising the AGP voltage to 1.6 or 1.7v? That has helped a lot of people with KT400+r300 problems...

GT86 · Feb 26, 2003, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by karlotta
uninstall the 3.1 then reinstall from the device manager. this will remove the smartgart, which is ,i think the issue here.

You will need to install the driver to a location that you can find, and just before it installs select CANCEL then install from the Devicemanager, by selecting the path to where the 3.1s are at. If this is too much ,use Omegas latest. His drivers have the smartgart removed.

And for the asshole that said via chipsets are bad... im on a Kt133a right now and have NO PROBLEMS!!!!!! EVERR!!!!!!! . you just have to learn the ins and outs of windows. and your MB. Also install DX9 before the drivers. Hope we can get this working for you.

Thanks for the help I'll try this out but what about the 8x and 4x agp issue witht he Via P4X400 chipset since i won't be able to change my agp speed from 8x to 4x unless omega drivers have a way of doing this since my mb bios gives me noway of doing this

ToshiroOC · Feb 26, 2003, 01:05 AM

Have you updated your BIOS too? The option might appear (unlikely, though) in later BIOS revisions....

karlotta · Feb 26, 2003, 01:10 AM

dont wory about the 8X agp right now. And the voltage tweak is a real fix, but one thang at a time....

We can get into a lot of hardware tweaks, but the software needs to be flushed out some first, AGP Texture Acceleration should be enabled!!!, i ran into this with the 3.1s if i dont install from the Device Manager....

More info would be good like your Bios version {mb} and your Powersupply: type ,watts..ect

Talicni_Tom · Feb 26, 2003, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by karlotta

And for the asshole that said via chipsets are bad... im on a Kt133a right now and have NO PROBLEMS!!!!!! EVERR!!!!!!! . you just have to learn the ins and outs of windows. and your MB. Also install DX9 before the drivers. Hope we can get this working for you.

stupid fuck read before you answer
we `re talking here about p4 via chipset P4X400 ,which is by the way an utter crap ,not about obsolete athlon chipsets

GT86 i apologize for my harsh words,but i really think that best thing you can do is to sell mb and get another intel chipset based mb

GT86 · Feb 26, 2003, 02:07 AM

Well lets go from here I have just formated and reinstalled windows Xp home and installed the latest Via 4in1 drivers 4.45 the mb I have is the shuttle Av49n and the bios version is av4900sn but that is changing right now (fixing to change they just released a new on a few mins ago i see) to av49s00p. I'm going to go flash the bios before I even install ati's cat 3.1 drivers be back in a sec.

GT86 · Feb 26, 2003, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Talicni_Tom
stupid fuck read before you answer
we `re talking here about p4 via chipset P4X400 ,which is by the way an utter crap ,not about obsolete athlon chipsets

GT86 i apologize for my harsh words,but i really think that best thing you can do is to sell mb and get another intel chipset based mb

belive me that thought has crossed my mind

ToshiroOC · Feb 26, 2003, 02:13 AM

Talicni_Tom, karlotta, no more petty fanboy bickering out of either of you again in this thread.

EDIT: GT86, before you start thinking about buying new hardware, it would probably be best to try and fix what you currently have here. Can you post the specs for your entire rig? PSU spec, CPU, mobo + rev, etc.

GT86 · Feb 26, 2003, 02:23 AM

It's a

P4 2.53 533 fsb cpu

Shuttle AV49N what rev i'm not sure really don't want to take the side panel off and look

western digtal 80 gig 7200 hd

Ati Radeon 9700 pro

Toshiba 16 x Dvd

Lite - on 52x24x52 CDRW

Antec SX1000II Performance II Series Soho File server Case with two rear fans by Video card and a 400 watt Antec true power supply

1 gb of Kingston ddr266 ram

I'm using the onboard Ac97 onboard sound on the Mb and the onboard lan

So here's what I've done so far after formating and reinstalling Xp in order

Installed software for Mb (drivers for onboard sound, usb 2.0 drivers, onboard lan drivers)

Installed Vla's latest Via 4in1 4.45 drivers

Flashed Bios with most up to date bios update

installed Cat 3.1 drivers (not throught device manager)

installed cat 3.1 control panel

installing Direct x 9

GT86 · Feb 26, 2003, 02:50 AM

well guys I think the new bios update they just came out with did the job or maybe the order i installed everything this time did it . I installed Madden 2003 and let it play for about 10 mins without a problem where as before it would lock up 30 secs to a min into a game. I'll redownload 3Dmark03 tomorrow and see for sure then . Thanks guys for all your help and tips but hopefully i won't need them now

digitalwanderer · Feb 26, 2003, 09:26 AM

Woo-hoo! Another satisfied customer.

GT86 · Feb 26, 2003, 11:14 AM

Yep everything seems ok now Just ran 3dmark03 and got a scored of 4575 not sure if that's good enough or not though but had a high pf 568 Fps in the wings of fury test

Feb 25, 2003, 11:16 PM	#1
GT86 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Games lock up after 30 secs plus other problems I'm having major problems with my 9700 pro from Ati I have a p4 2.53 ghz cpu with a Shuttle AV49N P4X400 motherboard and I'm using the onboard AC97 sound and onboard Lan and a Ati 9700 pro. I installed Windows Xp Home installed the latest Via 4.45 4in1 drivers then installed the latest 3.1 Ati drivers and then Directx 9 . I turned off fast write (off by default in bios) . When I go to play any game or do a benchmark in 3d mark03 my pc locks up after about 30 secs only way I can not get this to happen is to use either the windows xp default agp driver or Via's 4.38 agp driver which are both 4x from what I have read but when I goto options in the Ati control panel and click details it says 0x agp even though smartgart says 4x and agp texture acceleration is now faded out and disabled in dx 9 Diag tool. The only way I can get Agp texture acceleration on and enabled in Dx 9 is by using a Via 8x agp driver but then no games will work for more than 30 secs and Smargart won't let me drop down to 4x agp it automaticly switches back to 8x upon rebooting. I also can not change my Agp speed in the bios I can only change the aperture size from agp mode to 256mb. Which I have the apeture set to 128 everything else is set to the default setting which is either disabled or auto.

Feb 26, 2003, 12:44 AM	#5
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,621 Rep Power: 0	Did you re-install the Cat 3.1 drivers after installing the new Via drivers? __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Feb 26, 2003, 12:57 AM	#7
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	It is true that the KT400's sometimes have problems with 9700 cards Have you tried raising the AGP voltage to 1.6 or 1.7v? That has helped a lot of people with KT400+r300 problems... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Feb 26, 2003, 01:05 AM	#9
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Have you updated your BIOS too? The option might appear (unlikely, though) in later BIOS revisions.... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Feb 26, 2003, 02:13 AM	#14
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Talicni_Tom, karlotta, no more petty fanboy bickering out of either of you again in this thread. EDIT: GT86, before you start thinking about buying new hardware, it would probably be best to try and fix what you currently have here. Can you post the specs for your entire rig? PSU spec, CPU, mobo + rev, etc. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Feb 25, 2003, 11:40 PM	#3
GT86 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	nice constructive help there

Feb 26, 2003, 12:42 AM	#4
karlotta DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: oregon Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	uninstall the 3.1 then reinstall from the device manager. this will remove the smartgart, which is ,i think the issue here. You will need to install the driver to a location that you can find, and just before it installs select CANCEL then install from the Devicemanager, by selecting the path to where the 3.1s are at. If this is too much ,use Omegas latest. His drivers have the smartgart removed. And for the asshole that said via chipsets are bad... im on a Kt133a right now and have NO PROBLEMS!!!!!! EVERR!!!!!!! . you just have to learn the ins and outs of windows. and your MB. Also install DX9 before the drivers. Hope we can get this working for you.

Feb 26, 2003, 01:10 AM	#10
karlotta DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: oregon Posts: 83 Rep Power: 0	dont wory about the 8X agp right now. And the voltage tweak is a real fix, but one thang at a time.... We can get into a lot of hardware tweaks, but the software needs to be flushed out some first, AGP Texture Acceleration should be enabled!!!, i ran into this with the 3.1s if i dont install from the Device Manager.... More info would be good like your Bios version {mb} and your Powersupply: type ,watts..ect

Feb 26, 2003, 02:07 AM	#12
GT86 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Well lets go from here I have just formated and reinstalled windows Xp home and installed the latest Via 4in1 drivers 4.45 the mb I have is the shuttle Av49n and the bios version is av4900sn but that is changing right now (fixing to change they just released a new on a few mins ago i see) to av49s00p. I'm going to go flash the bios before I even install ati's cat 3.1 drivers be back in a sec.

Feb 26, 2003, 02:23 AM	#15
GT86 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	It's a P4 2.53 533 fsb cpu Shuttle AV49N what rev i'm not sure really don't want to take the side panel off and look western digtal 80 gig 7200 hd Ati Radeon 9700 pro Toshiba 16 x Dvd Lite - on 52x24x52 CDRW Antec SX1000II Performance II Series Soho File server Case with two rear fans by Video card and a 400 watt Antec true power supply 1 gb of Kingston ddr266 ram I'm using the onboard Ac97 onboard sound on the Mb and the onboard lan So here's what I've done so far after formating and reinstalling Xp in order Installed software for Mb (drivers for onboard sound, usb 2.0 drivers, onboard lan drivers) Installed Vla's latest Via 4in1 4.45 drivers Flashed Bios with most up to date bios update installed Cat 3.1 drivers (not throught device manager) installed cat 3.1 control panel installing Direct x 9 Last edited by GT86; Feb 26, 2003 at 02:39 AM.

Feb 26, 2003, 02:50 AM	#16
GT86 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	well guys I think the new bios update they just came out with did the job or maybe the order i installed everything this time did it . I installed Madden 2003 and let it play for about 10 mins without a problem where as before it would lock up 30 secs to a min into a game. I'll redownload 3Dmark03 tomorrow and see for sure then . Thanks guys for all your help and tips but hopefully i won't need them now

Feb 26, 2003, 09:26 AM	#17
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,621 Rep Power: 0	Woo-hoo! Another satisfied customer. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Feb 26, 2003, 11:14 AM	#18
GT86 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Yep everything seems ok now Just ran 3dmark03 and got a scored of 4575 not sure if that's good enough or not though but had a high pf 568 Fps in the wings of fury test