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ati radeon 9800pro 128mb issues with games and winamp
MY APOLOGIES FOR THE LENGTH.
i got hold of a used 9800pro 128mb card for a low price, so i picked it up. the card i had before this one is a geforce3 (i still have it). it ran "fine", but i needed more power for games like civilization 4, age of empires 3, etc. i could still play those games with the lowest of graphics settings, but thats just wrong. anyways, i got the original catalyst cd with the card, but i went straight to installing the latest 6.8 catalyst instead. i set the desktop to 1280 x 1024 and 32 bpp. i got to the windows desktop fine. i could browse the internet fine. i was even able to load up winamp fine. i figured everything was dandy... then i tried to load up the milkdrop visualization in winamp. my computer locked immediately, and all i could do was reboot. i tried to load milkdrop a couple of more times, and it always locked up, and i had to reboot. i tried loading up civilization 4, and it locked up my computer in the initial credits screens (i couldn't even get to the game's main menu). the same for age of empires 3. i didn't get any error prompts or anything. just a complete freezing of the screen and the high pitched sound from the speakers. it wouldn't even load the ancient ALLIED-freaking-GENERAL. ridiculous!!! so i started my troubleshooting adventure. i checked all of my drivers and adapters: motherboard, soundcard, network adapter, bios updates, directx 9.0c... the works. system still kept locking up. i tried messing with the desktop settings: switched to basic 800 x 600 and both 16 bpp and 32 bpp. no luck there. i turned of agp fast write. still froze. turned off vpu recover. still froze. i checked to see if the video card was overheating, but nope. i have an aluminum case with 3 case fans, but just to be sure, i went ahead and opened it up and stuck a fan right in front of the video card. didn't help at all. then, i went through different drivers: latest omega only, tried the original catalyst 3.2 (or something) that was on the disc that i got, catalyst 6.7... and i'm on cat 6.4 right now. i made sure to do a complete uninstall, and used programs like drivercleaner to ensure i got a proper uninstall between the different driver installs. ati's website had a suggestion to up the agp voltage to 1.6 or 1.7, but my bios doesn't allow it. the catalyst 6.4 which i'm on right now seems to be the best. the other drivers i had wouldn't play the chimp demo on the factory disc that i got. however, i'm now able to watch the demo for like 30 seconds (yay!) before the system locks (boo!). also, allied general actually loads and plays properly (atleast for a minute or two, i didn't check beyond that time). i think i'm on hour 15 or so, and i noticed one common trend through my epic journey, and i believe i've isolated the issue: it's a problem with opengl. when i tried to view the 3d settings in catalyst, the computer freezes, but not when i look at any of the other settings. i've seen a working catalyst before, and know that there's a preview of a 3d car that comes up in the 3d settings section. i had opened dxdiag on the old cat 3.2 to test direct3d, and it was craaaaazy. the test cube was spinning SUPER fast, to the point the cube was blurring, and the system would lock right before the direct3d 9 test would start. when i run the same test now with cat 6.4, the cube is fine and all the direct3d tests pass without a problem. so, i'm guessing the direct3d is working fine now, so that just leaves opengl. all the stuff that locks my computer are 3d related stuff: the newer games, the milkdrop winamp visualization, and 3d settings utility in catalyst. so, my question here is what the hell should i do next??? i really don't want to revert back to the geforce3. i'm aware that ati has issues with via chipsets, but i'm not trying to swap to intel either. i've pretty much resolved myself to getting this damn card to work on my system. maybe i should just storm ati's headquarters up in canada, and hold their engineers hostage until they fix my problem(s).
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so, nothing anyone can help me out with? i had sent ati support an email, and they replied with a general checklist. i went through all that. it's where i came up with their suggestion to increase the agp voltage to 1.6 or 1.7, but my bios won't allow me to change agp voltage. is there another way to do it? i responded to ati's reply to tell them that nothing they suggested has solved any of my issues. that customer service ticket is still "a work in progress".
i did a forum search for solution ideas, but there weren't any on 3d problems with the 9800 series cards.
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did you get the card of ebay or a retailer? A lot of times, the cards will be malfunctioned off ebay (i hate people).
It could be a power supply issue, check your power rails. |
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i got it off of a guy locally. he says the card was fine in his system, and i don't really have a reason to disbelieve him at this point.
what/where are the power rails? also, i have my refresh rate set at 60hz. that's the only setting shown on window's display properties, but catalyst does list others. should i force the refresh rate, and what would be a safe setting?
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alright, that sounds like a worthwhile investment, especially considering it'll only cost ~$10 and i'm at a complete lost right now.
is there anything else i can do right now @ 4:30 am though? if the psu voltages come out to be stable and ample, do you have any idea as to what else might be going on?
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hmm, could be your motherboard agp slot is malfunctioned. That would really suck.
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not really, it would give me an excuse to upgrade my motherboard. i got this a8v-mx because i was in a pinch, and it was the cheapest board with the specs to support amd64 and agp 8x. i don't think it's broken though, since the geforce3 i had worked okay.
here is what sis sandra 2007 tells me about the mainboard, chipset, buses, etc.: SiSoftware Sandra System Manufacturer : System manufacturer Model : System Product Name Version : System Version Serial Number : System Serial Number ID : System Chassis Manufacturer : Chassis Manufacture Type : Desktop Can be locked : No Version : Chassis Version Serial Number : Chassis Serial Number Asset Tag : Asset-1234567890 Boot-up State : Safe Power State : Safe Thermal State : Safe Security State : External Interface Locked-out Mainboard Manufacturer : ASUSTeK Computer INC. MP Support : 1 Processor(s) MPS Version : 1.40 Model : A8V-MX Version : Rev 1.xx Serial Number : MB-1234567890 System BIOS : 63-0503-000000-00101111-120605-K8M800 On-board Devices To Be Filled By O.E.M. : Video Adapter (Enabled) System Memory Controller Location : Mainboard Error Correction Capability : None Number of Memory Slots : 2 Maximum Installable Memory : 8GB BANK0 - DIMM0 : Manufacturer0 PartNum0 SerNum0 AssetTagNum0 DIMM Synchronous DDR-SDRAM 256MB/72 @ 333Mt/s BANK1 - DIMM1 : Manufacturer1 PartNum1 SerNum1 AssetTagNum1 DIMM Synchronous DDR-SDRAM 512MB/72 @ 333Mt/s Chipset 1 Model : VIA Technologies Inc K8M400 CPU to PCI Bridge Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCIe IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus Version : 1.02 Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 912MHz (1824MHz data rate) In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit Chipset 1 Hub Interface Type : V-Link Multiplier : 2/1x IO Queue Depth : 9 request(s) Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks Memory Controller in Processor : Yes Power Save Mode : No Fixed Hole Present : No Chipset 2 Model : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCIe IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus Version : 1.02 Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 912MHz (1824MHz data rate) Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 1000MHz / 2x 200MHz In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit IO Queue Depth : 8 request(s) Chipset 2 Hub Interface Type : HyperTransport Version : 1.02 In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit Speed : 2x 912MHz (1824MHz data rate) Logical/Chipset 2 Memory Banks Bank 0 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-4-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR2 Bank 4 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-4-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR2 Bank 5 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-4-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) CR2 Channels : 1 Speed : 2x 186MHz (372MHz data rate) Multiplier : 1/11x Width : 64-bit Memory Controller in Processor : Yes Cores per Memory Controller : 1 Unit(s) Refresh Rate : 7.80µs Power Save Mode : No Fixed Hole Present : No APIC 1 Version : 0.03 Multiplier : 1/2x Maximum Interrupts : 24 IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes Enhanced Support : Yes Memory Module 1 Manufacturer : Hyundai Electronics Model : HYMD232 646D8J-D43 Serial Number : FFFF5065 Type : 256MB DDR-SDRAM Technology : 8x(32Mx8) Speed : PC3200U Standard Timings : 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) Date of Manufacture : Saturday, May 07, 2005 Set Timing @ 200MHz : 3.0-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) Set Timing @ 167MHz : 2.5-3-3-7 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) Set Timing @ 133MHz : 2.0-2-2-5 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) Memory Module 2 Model : CL25-3-3DDR 333 Extended Information : Golden Empire Int Ltd d Serial Number : 20020725 Type : 512MB DDR-SDRAM Technology : 16x(32Mx8) Speed : PC2700U Standard Timings : 2.5-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) Date of Manufacture : Tuesday, February 12, 2002 Set Timing @ 167MHz : 2.5-3-3-8 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS) Environment Monitor 1 Model : Winbond W83627(T)HF ISA Version : 10.01 Mainboard Specific Support : No Temperature Sensor(s) Board Temperature : 36.0°C / 96.8°F CPU Temperature : 31.5°C / 88.7°F Power / Aux Temperature : 29.5°C / 85.1°F Cooling Device(s) Auto Fan Speed Control : No CPU Fan Speed : 1722rpm Voltage Sensor(s) CPU Voltage : 2.91V Aux Voltage : 3.66V +3.3V Voltage : 3.90V +5V Voltage : 6.32V -12V Voltage : 1.63V -5V Voltage : 3.25V Standby Voltage : 4.99V Battery Voltage : 2.05V AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1 Version : 3.00 Speed : 8x Fast-Writes Enabled : No Isochronous Mode Enabled : No Addressing Enabled : 32-bit PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1 Version : 2.30 Number of Bridges : 5 PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk) PCI Bus 2 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk) PCI Bus 3 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk) PCI Bus 4 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk) PCI Bus 5 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk) LPC Hub Controller 1 Model : VIA Technologies Inc Standard PCI to ISA Bridge ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes Delayed Transaction Enabled : Yes Multiplier : 1/4x DMA Multiplier : 1/2x USB Controller 1 Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets) Version : 1.10 Interface : UHCI Channels : 2 Speed : 48MHz Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) Legacy Emulation Enabled : No USB Controller 2 Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets) Version : 1.10 Interface : UHCI Channels : 2 Speed : 48MHz Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) Legacy Emulation Enabled : No USB Controller 3 Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets) Version : 1.10 Interface : UHCI Channels : 2 Speed : 48MHz Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) Legacy Emulation Enabled : No USB Controller 4 Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets) Version : 1.10 Interface : UHCI Channels : 2 Speed : 48MHz Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) Legacy Emulation Enabled : No USB Controller 5 Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT6202 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller Version : 2.00 Specification : 1.00 Interface : EHCI Channels : 8 Companion Controllers : 4 Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps) Addressing Support : 32-bit Legacy Emulation Enabled : No FireWire/1394 Controller 1 Model : Creative Labs Audigy 2 Firewire Controller Version : 1.10 Interface : OHCI Enhanced Support : No Channels : 64 Speed : 400MHz System SMBus Controller 1 Model : VIA VT823x SMBus Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No Slave Device Enabled : No PEC Support : No Speed : 16kHz Expansion Slot(s) AGP : AGP-4x 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Used PCI1 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Used (VIA Technologies Inc Apollo K8HTB CPU to AGP 2.0/3.0 Bridge) PCI2 (2h) : PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Used Port Connector(s) J1A1 - PS2Mouse : Mouse - None / PS/2 J1A1 - Keyboard : Keyboard - None / PS/2 J2A2 - USB1 : USB - None / USB J2A2 - USB2 : USB - None / USB J4A1 - LPT 1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - None / DB-25 pin male J2A1 - COM A : Serial Port 16550A - None / DB-9 pin male J6A1 - Audio Mic In : Audio - None / Mini-jack J6A1 - Audio Line In : Audio - None / Mini-jack J6B1 - AUX IN : Audio - CD-ROM Sound Input / None J6B2 - CDIN : Audio - CD-ROM Sound Input / None J6J2 - PRI IDE : None - ATA / None J6J1 - SEC IDE : None - ATA / None J4J1 - FLOPPY : None - Floppy Disk / None J9H1 - FRONT PNL : None - 9 Pin Dual Inline / None J1B1 - CHASSIS REAR FAN : None - None / None J2F1 - CPU FAN : None - None / None J8B4 - FRONT FAN : None - None / None J9G2 - FNT USB : None - None / None J6C3 - FP AUD : None - None / None J9G1 - CONFIG : None - None / None J8C1 - SCSI LED : None - None / None J9J2 - INTRUDER : None - None / None J9G4 - ITP : None - None / None J2H1 - MAIN POWER : None - None / None Performance Tips Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate. Warning 2507 : Mainboard has too few memory slots. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive. Warning 2508 : All memory slots are full. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive. Warning 2541 : FSB exceeds Chipset rated speed. Reduce FSB. Warning 100 : Large memory sizes should be made of Registered/Buffered memory. Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity. Warning 2523 : Memory bus speed exceeds memory rated speed. Reduce memory bus speed. Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.
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