problem with windows

kelticknight · Jan 2, 2004, 11:58 AM

have aproblem with my system,have had to do new install of windows,lost updates on my second harddrive as well ,about 3 years of software and games updates and patches aand other software .enough about second hardrive.with out second pc l would not be able to come here to driverheaven.installed windows and some software ,then went to windows did most of updates,after updates windows seemed to boot up alot slower,continued to update in microsoft website ,did some more updates,have only few to do,lm on dial up conection,takes while,like hours,anyway for last couple of hours ,it boots up and hangs in windows.been rebooting,only got it to work once,tryed to up date,got that beautful blue screen,telling l either got hardware or software problems,l also installed omega drivers,have used omega drvers before ,same set with no problem.any ideas
pissed off in eire

PangingJr · Jan 2, 2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by briano98

it boots up and hangs in windows.been rebooting,only got it to work once,tryed to up date,got that beautful blue screen,telling l either got hardware or software problems,

the error message will tell us or may narrow down what's actually cause the prob. next time write it down or someting. then we can help you pin point it.

as for Win Updates, if you're running XP, for time saving you can use the Update Rollup 1 for Windows XP, more info and d/l at.. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=826939

kelticknight · Jan 3, 2004, 02:30 PM

l kept rebooting till l got into windows,then when online updated the rest of updates,its still slow,some of these updates from windows have slowed widows xp down,l got some tweaks to speed widows before,think it was tweakxp site,not sure ,one of the tweaked up speed of windows and another speeded up the menus.i'll have to check the web some more to find the site

Dyre Straits · Jan 3, 2004, 02:38 PM

How much free space is left on the HD?

Have you run the Error Checking app for errors? (To do so, just open My Computer to see your HD. Right click on the HD and select Properties. Now, select the Tools tab. Error-checking is the first option on the next screen. Select the Check Now button. However, you likely won't be able to actually get it to function until you choose to do it when you reboot the computer. Upon a reboot, the disk check will function and look for errors. Be sure you allow it to correct problems it finds.)

Once you done the Error-checking, it might be time for a Defrag. That's on the same screen as the Error-checking.

Good luck!

PangingJr · Jan 4, 2004, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by briano98
l kept rebooting till l got into windows,then when online updated the rest of updates,its still slow,some of these updates from windows have slowed widows xp down,l got some tweaks to speed widows before,think it was tweakxp site,not sure ,one of the tweaked up speed of windows and another speeded up the menus.i'll have to check the web some more to find the site

some older Win Updates file used to cause slow down on some XP system, but not anymore as far as i know. it makes no sense to try to tweak an OS that's fundamentally incomplete or broken. So, before you start changing anything, you must ensure all your software including the OS itself and hardware are all set up and running properly.

Open System Properties -> Startup and Recovery,
at Setting, remove the check marked from "Automatic restart"
and pls give us info of the STOP Error code and message, exactly what did it say??

kelticknight · Jan 4, 2004, 08:34 AM

did error checking,get a message ,windows can't load nt-scanner,l don't have nt-scanner,it also says because this your system has recovered from serious problem or something like that.some thing is something is causing windows to be slow probly this serious error and what ever this nt-scanner is.l have a scanner and unstalled it and still got this nt-scanner.first thing is l have to find out what it is and what l can do.lm getting diskkeeper 8 as windows defrag is not very good.

PangingJr · Jan 4, 2004, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by briano98
did error checking,get a message ,windows can't load nt-scanner,

,it also says because this your system has recovered from serious problem or something like that.

for the "nt-scanner", thiss the main prob that caused the slow down.
what kind of anti-virus software was installed on the system?? McAfee?? or Norton??, any system/file utilities installed??

as for the "System Has Recovered from a Serious Error" message,
the prob is mostly caused by a corrupted System Restore feature or the pagefile.sys. try fixing it and see if it helps.

1) to fix the System Restore feature...
Open Control Panel -> System,
Select the System Restore tab -> Check the Turn off System Restore box
Press OK and press Yes to confirm and Reboot your PC.
On this startup, you may still receive the system has recovered from a serious problem message. Now, go back there and -> Uncheck the Turn off System Restore box,
Reboot your PC again.. see if it helps.

2) use the workaround method (by recreating the pagefile) you see on this...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q317277 to recreate the pagefile.sys.

kelticknight · Jan 4, 2004, 07:24 PM

l have norton firewall and norton antivirus,mcfee firewall and antivirus,also have zonealarm pro,maybe l havetoo many,but same setup on my other pc and it doesn't give me any trouble,l hope l don't have to reinstall again windows and everything

PangingJr · Jan 5, 2004, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by briano98
l have norton firewall and norton antivirus,

mcfee firewall and antivirus,

also have zonealarm pro,

okay thats what i thought and it's the main prob that caused error "windows can't load nt-scanne"

i suggest you to boot the PC using the XP CD direct, entering Setup and select to Delete the current partition options and make a new RAW one to be formatted and go on with the installation.
Then do the updates things (drivers and Win Updates).

if you like those products..., you still have to choose among them and only pick one of the combination to be installed.

Norton firewall and norton antivirus
-or-
Mcafee firewall and mcafee antivirus
-or-
ZAP and Norton antivirus (or Mcafee antivirus)

Now, let say you follow my words and the system runs fine, no memory probs.. no locks up or anything. Do a good back up of your system like making an image of the whole system. and then you can try to use/install 2 or more firewall/antivirus on the same system and see if it happens again. if not, then you're okay... Good Luck!

Rasta Monsta · Jan 5, 2004, 01:14 AM

Hmm, didn't I read somewhere that you are supposed to run even numbers of firewall products?

Try installing a fourth!

rasta

PangingJr · Jan 5, 2004, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by Rasta Monsta
Hmm, didn't I read somewhere that you are supposed to run even numbers of firewall products?

Try installing a fourth!

rasta

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pick ones.... this..

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this...

or this...

Rasta Monsta · Jan 5, 2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by panging
lol now you cant just left that post without a smiley..
pick ones.... this.. ,
this... or this...

You forgot this:

rasta

kelticknight · Jan 5, 2004, 07:54 PM

question,l have 3 firewall and 2 antivirus on another system,also xp,it runs fine.there is a problem that happened before that and might be part of why its giving me nt-scanner stuff,when l formatted my harddrive l installed 98se ,loaded up drivers,then l conected my second hardrive,then l upgraded to xp,l put xp on second hardriveby accident,as l usually don't conect second hardrive till l have xp installed,but this timel gorgot l did,and it went on second hardrive ,when pc rebooted l saw two operating systems on 2 diifernt hardrives,so rebooted second time in 98 and deleted xp on second hardrive ,shutdown system ,disconected second dardrive ,rebooted,installed xp on 98 ,now when it reboots,it shows xp windows on black screen,and asks me to pick.could this be my problem.if so how can l sort it out?????????????????????

kelticknight · Jan 5, 2004, 09:42 PM

another question,set up windows as 32 wins system,is it better set as ntfs wins system for all round system for work and gaming?

PangingJr · Jan 5, 2004, 11:22 PM

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question,
l have 3 firewall and 2 antivirus on another system,also xp,it runs fine.

i'd say you knew what you was doing on that system and you're good at it.
but it's just not happening on this system.

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there is a problem that happened before that and might be part of why its giving me nt-scanner stuff,

NT On-Access Scanner is part of McAfee's products,
pls contact McAfee and give them the info about having Norton and ZAP on the same system and see how the supports will say, i'd say they'll tell you to remove the others in order to fix the prob or you may find a better solutions from them.

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then l upgraded to xp,

Why upgrade installation?
the ideal situation is a clean install of XP on a freshly formatted NTFS or FAT32 volume.

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is it better set as ntfs wins system for all round system for work and gaming?

NTFS is superior to FAT32 in terms of reliability, security, and efficiency.
for gaming i'm not sure and whats exactly should i recommend, also whether or not you like to setup a dual boot system, if so, then compatiblity is a concern, you may want to use FAT32 for any local drives you want to access if you boot the system using win9x.

kelticknight · Jan 6, 2004, 06:29 AM

l installed xp on second hardrive by accident,was away from pc at time it installed on no2 hardrive.when it boots up,it tells me l have 2 xp sysetms.but l don't as deleted it,when l should have unstalled itso what l want to do is is get rid of it telling me when it boots up that l have 2 xp's systems.l know l should have unstalled second xp system on second hardrive,l have clean registry and ran norton windoctor and it still shows up 2 xp on boot,oncel tryed to pick second xp on second hardrive and it couldn't find it as l deleted it ,so how do l get rid of second xp boot up when it boots up without reintalling xp and formatting again,as l would have some amount of software to install 90gb of it,help??????????????

PangingJr · Jan 6, 2004, 06:42 AM

do a find for the XP boot.ini file, open it with notepad,
from the program menu, Edit -> Select All -> Copy..then Paste the contain of the file on to your next post to show me. also tell me where's the boot.ini file location?

PangingJr · Jan 6, 2004, 07:05 AM

i suggest you to make an XP custom boot disk. just incase you cant do a regular boot so you can use this floppy disk to boot XP... so do it now when you can!

format a floppy within the CMD window (Start/Run/cmd)
put a floppy disk in drive and using this command "format a: /u" (no "" when typing)

then make a custom boot.ini file from below and place the file along with NTLDR, NTDETECT (files off your C:\ or the system drive) in the formatted disk.

how to make a custom boot.ini--> open notepad and copy/paste the below in it and save the file as boot.ini

Code:

[boot loader]
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, first partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, second partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, third partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, fourth partition" /sos
C:\="Previous Operating System on C:\"

PangingJr · Jan 6, 2004, 07:09 AM

make sure this will be in one line (No Wrap) and no empty space in front of the line

Code:

default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

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here's more info about this XP custom boot disk (not for XP installation - use it for booting only)

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how to guard against a situation when it is not possible to start Windows or any other operating system on your computer. This situation can occur when the boot record for the active partition or files that are required to start Windows becomes corrupted

To guard against this situation, create a WinXP boot disk when you first install Windows on the computer. This boot disk contains only the files that are necessary to start the OS with the remainder of the Windows system files installed on the hard disk drive.

Use the following procedure to create this disk:

Place a blank floppy disk in drive A, and format the disk by using Windows XP.
From the root folder of the system partition of your hard disk drive (for example, C:\-), copy the following files to the floppy disk:
Boot.ini
NTLDR
Ntdetect.com

You may have to remove the hidden, system, and read-only attributes from the files.

Restore the hidden, system, and read-only attributes to the files on your hard disk if you removed these attributes.
If either the Bootsect.dos or the Ntbootdd.sys file resides in the system partition, also use the procedure that is described in steps 2 through 4 to copy these files to the boot disk.
If you format a floppy disk in Windows XP, the boot record points to the NTLDR file. When NTLDR runs, it loads the available operating system selections from the Boot.ini file. If you select Windows, NTLDR runs Ntdetect.com, and then passes control to Osloader.exe. If you select MS-DOS or OS/2, NTLDR loads Bootsect.dos.

and here's the boot.ini file for 2 HDDs systems or having XP on the 2nd HDD.
(for the custom made boot disk only)

Code:

[boot loader]
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, first partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, second partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, third partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, First harddisk, fourth partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, first partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, second partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, third partition" /sos
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="NT, Second harddisk, fourth partition" /sos
C:\="Previous Operating System on C:\"

PangingJr · Jan 6, 2004, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by panging
do a find for the XP boot.ini file, open it with notepad,
from the program menu, Edit -> Select All -> Copy..then Paste the contain of the file on to your next post to show me. also tell me where's the boot.ini file location?

okay, maybe you dont understand what i was trying...

go to Start ->Run, and type in.. msconfig
the command will open "System Configuration Utility",
click on the tab BOOT.INI and take a screen shot, and post it here.
just like this...

kelticknight · Jan 6, 2004, 06:43 PM

just checked this forum now,will do a screen shot tomorrow and post it,one silly question how do youtake a screenshot,with digital camera or how thanks for your help panging.cheers