[d3athsh3ad]

OK ! Stop sweating, don't throw anything, take a nice slow breath and think about the subject.
I'm talking desktops here (mainly) - no ... correct myself I'm talking about servers as well.
Let me state a few personal belief facts first.
1) I'me over 30 yrs young.
2) DEC PDP systems were "cool".
3) IBM starts work on OS/2 and begins 32bit GUI.
4) IBM know's when to let go .
5) Bill Gates is still in his teens.
6) Intel folows a false Moore Law.
7) AMD suffers from rude politic.
8) Apple still make filmworthy 'puters.
9) Linux is shit hot.
10) MS Windows is cheaper.


It is only ten years ago or so when to change your server cost more than an arm and a leg. This was because you had to change desktop as well, and your Novell server, plus the bridge hardware/software into the DEC/IBM or other cluster MainFrames.

Microsoft cahnged all that went before.
Windows 3.x was a third the price of OS/2 to the end user - not as good as OS/2 but a lot cheaper.

Move ten years to the present and it's another David vs. Goliath tale.

My arguement works like this:
a) OEM prices of WindowsXP available to HomeBrew market are only 15-20% more than a supported Linux disribution.
b) Only MS keeps up with hardware in that system compents (spefic. video and audio) will be supported out of the box.
c) Linux needs more tweaking on any given system than Windows to allow basic communication or office type applications.
d) Now MS has moved fully to NT5/5.1 WDM then last years hardware should suffice for at least the next five years.
e) Linux is so cheap all companies convert.
f) The circle is complete - only enthusiasts run windows (for games) or Linux Pro
g) Everyone else plays PS6 or GSpy-Total Immersion

We can't play games on Linux....!
That's my gripe.
D3athsh3ad

[ToshiroOC]

WineX

[d3athsh3ad]

WineX - ?
subscriber service for all games under 18 momths old at least - overall cost => windows based gaming pc and generally WineX just doesn't work !

D3athsh3ad.

[UberLord]

[quote]Originally posted by d3athsh3ad
[b]10) MS Windows is cheaper.

I assume you're talking TCO

a) OEM prices of WindowsXP available to HomeBrew market are only 15-20% more than a supported Linux disribution.

Seeing as you can download a pucka distro (say RedHat) for nothing except bandwidth costs (essentially free with home DSL) and the price of burning it to a CD or three OR paying your local linux emprioum a measly cost of (UK) ~£5 for burning and posting your the CD's I challenge that assumption.

b) Only MS keeps up with hardware in that system compents (spefic. video and audio) will be supported out of the box.

Windows XP (any version) doesn't support the latest available cards from ATI, nVidia or Matrox - the big three (although Matrox are piddly in size these days) in either 2D or 3D out of the box. You need to
a) download the latest driver
b) hope it's supplied by the OEM
c) if b for Windows is true (which is mostimes the case for newer cards) then it ALSO applies to Linux distros as the OEM is supplying and supporting the computer including the OS.

c) Linux needs more tweaking on any given system than Windows to allow basic communication or office type applications.

Obviously you've never used a recent distro - like say RedHat 9
It comes - by default with word processor, spreadsheet, presentation (open office), web (mozilla), email (evolution) and IM (gaim) software.
Open Office, Mozilla and GAIM all work on windows as well - I use em by choice.
Open Office also reads 95% of MS office files.

d) Now MS has moved fully to NT5/5.1 WDM then last years hardware should suffice for at least the next five years.

e) Linux is so cheap all companies convert.

There's also other reasons - more security hardened better networking options (try finding out which TCP/IP ports are in use on Windows - easily)

f) The circle is complete - only enthusiasts run windows (for games) or Linux Pro
g) Everyone else plays PS6 or GSpy-Total Immersion

We can't play games on Linux....!
That's my gripe.

Games on Linux - I have installed and play just fine thanks
Doom 1 and 2
Quake 1, 2 and 3
Unreal Tournament, UT2003
RTCW + expansions
DOOM3 will play on Linux

So thats the big game engines covered - which other games use. DeusEx 2 and Thief 3 will be using the UT2003 engine - I understand DeusEx2 will be available on Linux, not sure about Thief.

So we can play some games, just not all games.
Seeing as you mentions PlayStations, lets see you play Halo on something thats not an X-Box

In summary
[SIZE=XX-LARGE]YOU'RE A TROLL[/size]

[Jeff]

/me uses Linux and Windows.... I like both, don't tell me not to like one or the other, I can decide for myself. In closing, leave my Windows and Linux alone!