.Net Framework Version Question?

Silverfox · Jul 20, 2007, 09:07 PM

I am running WXP home edition and the 2002 P4 2.4GHZ pc originally had .net framework 1.0, then I added 1.1, and then added 2.0. I need to know if I can uninstall all versions presently starting with 2.0 back and then re-install starting with the 1.1, etc.

I am running SP2 on the OS.

I want to uninstall ALL the versions I now have and when I re-install I would like NOT to install the original 1.0 net framework if I dont need it for the 1.1 to work right.

Can I just re-install the 1.1, then 2.0, then even 3.0 if desired?

Thanks for any replys.

Regards

Matth · Jul 21, 2007, 10:32 AM

I think the 1.1 (+ updates) is offered as an optional Windowsupdate - no need to pass through older versions.

If planning on having 3.0, I'd let that install 2.0 for you, as it is really 2.0 plus additional components. At least, I think it's aupposed to do that, but the 3.0 Redist is about 1/10 the size of the 2.0 - so if it does add the 2.0, it's got to fetch it from somewhere.

On 1.1, the advice for general users IS to install using WindowsUpdate, since that ensures that you receive a fully updated install.

RoyBatty · Jul 21, 2007, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matth

...the 3.0 Redist is about 1/10 the size of the 2.0 - so if it does add the 2.0, it's got to fetch it from somewhere.

I don't know which installers do you mean, but the 3.0 redist size is 50.3 MB and the 2.0 installer size is 22.4 MB. The 2.0 is included in 3.0 - they both appear in the Add/Remove panel after 3.0 installation. I'm not sure about the 1.0 and 1.1, because their subdirs in the Windows\Microsoft.NET directory contain only a few files.

I have only the 3.0 redist installed and everything is working fine (but I'm currently using only one .NET application

).

Silverfox · Jul 21, 2007, 02:47 PM

Since my pc is 5 yrs. old that is probably why I have the net 1.0 on up to 2.0 installed in it for applications that I may have on my pc that were installed in 2002.

Of course most any up to date video card needs the 2.0 framework to function its control schemes.

I was just wanting to alleviate the Net 1.0 & its hotfix & recent security update but it looks like I am stuck with it unless someone can tell me otherwise !

Below is a response I got from a Tech Guru on what procedure you should follow if you encounter windows update net framework updates that will not install successfully:

1. Uninstall all versions of .NET Framework via Add/Remove Programs.

2. Run the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301

3. Download and run the .NET Framework Cleanup Tool
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...4-97BD16967A09

4. Download/install a new copy of the most recent version of .NET Framework
1.0, 1.1, and/or 2.0 (as desired) from the Download Center:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads

5. Install the updates.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

This is definitely a pain in the you know where simply because Microsoft writes security updates that will NOT update properly on tons of folks computers !!!!

Regards, Silverfox

Matth · Jul 22, 2007, 10:20 AM

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
This is the 3.0 I found, it says 2.8 MB - where is the bigger one.

Update offers 1.1 (I have only 2.0/3.0 installed) as an optional update, I'm guessing that 1.0 is considered obsolete / superseded by 1.1

RoyBatty · Jul 22, 2007, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matth

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
This is the 3.0 I found, it says 2.8 MB - where is the bigger one.

That's just the web installer. Scroll down in the page, there is "Instructions" section with links to full redist packages.

Judas · Jul 23, 2007, 01:42 AM

IMO the easiest thing to do is:

Uninstall ALL .net's.

Then go to microsoft website

download .net 3.0 ONLY, install (it will install 3.0 + 2.0 beside it all in one packaged setup)..

Everything i've ran has worked doing that, that is what i currently do for new machines for .net install anyways...

Matth · Jul 23, 2007, 11:42 AM

It's possible to find things that have issues, a good example being:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en - Microsoft Flash drive manager

Apparently, it tests for and will not install without .net 1.1, though will run ok under 2.0 if 1.1 is then removed.

There is not guaranteed backward compatibility, but for the most part, things which do not do anything stupid in 1.1 (and "equals" version tests are definitely stupid) stands a fair chance of working under later versions.

Silverfox · Jul 23, 2007, 11:18 PM

I cannot uninstall the earlier versions of the net framework other then the 2.0 so I sent a request in to microsoft for some help. You can read what I sent them below:

My PC is a P4 2.4ghz IntelMB, 1gig ram, and was purchased in 2002.
With ALL the problems associated with installing these latest security
updates for the .net framework versions I simply uninstalled the Net 2.0
with no problem, re-installed it and was then able to update the latest
security update for the 2.0 version. However I could NOT uninstall the
hotfixes for the ver 1.1, etc. in reverse order from the add\remove list.
After I re-installed the 2.0 I left it in and installed the Windows Installer
Clean up utility and ran it and the ONLY net framework app depicted was the
net 2.0 ! The 1.1 & 1.0 or there hotfixes are NOT even listed in the utility
even though they show up in the control panel add\remove list.

This is what I have now:
Net Ver. 1.0.3705
Net Ver. 1.0 Hotfix KB886906
Net Ver. 1.1
Net Ver. 1.1 Hotfix KB886903
Net. 2.0

I want to uninstall ALL of these in reverse order and then do a fresh
re-install starting per below:

Net. 1.0
Net. Hotfix KB886906
Net. 1.1
Net. 1.1 Hotfix KB886903
Net. 2.0

Then I could probably be able to install the latest security updates for the
1.1 & 1.0

Do I have to uninstall the net 2.0 again before the Net 1.1 & 1.0 and there
early hotfixes above will be listed in the Windows Installer Cleanup utility
for removal ?

I see NO way of getting the recently released security updates to install
for the 1.1 & 1.0 if I cant uninstall these versions and do a fresh install
of them.

Silverfox · Jul 25, 2007, 12:34 PM

Below is the reply I received back from Microsoft tech support. Maybe it will help or aid someone in the future if they have earlier net versions and want to remove them from the pc when the versions will not uninstall from either the add\remove list or with the Windows Installer Clean up utility:

[ Thank you for contacting Microsoft Windows Update Support. My name is Susan and I am glad to work with you. You can contact me directly by sending an email to v-30suy@mssupport.microsoft.com with the case ID SRX1040185870 in the subject line.

From the problem description, I understand that .NET Framework 2.0 has been uninstalled and reinstalled while .NET Framework 1.1 and .NET Framework 1.0 together with their updates still failed to be installed. .NET Framework 1.1 and .NET Framework 1.0 have been listed in Add or Remove programs but could not be removed. They were not in the list of Windows Installer Clean up utility. If there has been any misunderstanding, please let me know.

I understand the inconvenience you have experienced. Please be assured that I will do my best to help you.

Firstly, I would like to explain that .NET Framework 2.0 is an upgrade version of .NET Framework 1.1. It has included all the functions and features of .NET Framework 1.1 and 1.0 and is more powerful and stable than .NET Framework 1.1 and 1.0. Therefore, if .NET Framework 2.0 and its updates have been installed successfully, we do not need to install .NET Framework 1.1 and 1.0 any more.

If you would like to remove .NET Framework 1.1 and 1.0, I suggest download a professional tool to remove them and I recommend keep .NET Framework 2.0 and its updates intact.

Step 1: Remove the corrupted components through a professional tool
=================================================

1. Please download and install the tool from this link:

http://astebner.sts.winisp.net/Tools/dotnetfx_cleanup_tool.zip

Please Note: The third-party product discussed here is manufactured by a company that is independent of Microsoft. We make no warranty, implied or otherwise, regarding this product's performance or reliability.

2. Please save the zip file (dotnetfx_cleanup_tool.zip) from the above link to the local drive and extract it to the Desktop.

3. Double click cleanup_tool.exe to run the tool.

4. Please follow the instruction and click Cleanup now to remove both version .NET Framework.

If .NET Framework 1.1 and 1.0 and their updates have been offered again after they has been removed, I suggest we hide the update for .NET Framework 1.1 and 1.0 and it would not be offered again. Please refer to the steps below to hide it.

Hide Specific Updates
================
1. Open Internet Explorer (IE) and go to the Windows Update site directly:

http://update.microsoft.com/

2. Click "Custom Install" to scan your system (Not Express Install).
3. After it finishes, please click "High Priority" in the left pane.
4. Click the + before the update and check the box before “Do not show this update again”.
5. Restart the computer and this update should not be offered again.

Please try the steps shown above and let me know the results at your earliest convenience. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this issue, please don't hesitate to tell me. It is my pleasure to be of assistance.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Best Regards,

Susan Yuan]

I havent tried this as of yet but will reply back when I do with the results!

Regards, Silverfox

Silverfox · Aug 1, 2007, 11:39 PM

The dotnetfx.exe utility will uninstall any of the framework versions you have that may not uninstall properly from the normal add\remove route but unfortunately this utlity will NOT remove any hotfixes that were installed with the 1.0 & 1.1 versions of the net framework.

Reagrds

Dyre Straits · Aug 2, 2007, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverfox

The dotnetfx.exe utility will uninstall any of the framework versions you have that may not uninstall properly from the normal add\remove route but unfortunately this utlity will NOT remove any hotfixes that were installed with the 1.0 & 1.1 versions of the net framework.

Reagrds

When you go to the Control Panel/Add-Remove Programs, are you clicking the box: Show Updates? You do need to check that box in order to see the hotfixes installed.