[Judas]

On every machine i build, the only things i allow to startup on windows bootup, is absalutley nothing asidefrom ATI's CLI.exe process. But any cameras or printers or whatever software or hardware that installed, including realteks onboard audio and startup processes are disabled and removed forcefully from the registry. That includes steam and a crapload of game related shit.

When i startup, all the normal windows services remain, leaving (if use task manager to see active processes), taskmgr.exe, cli.exe, explorer.exe, a total of anywhere from 17-21 processes tops.

Any machine i've ran into that has more then that loaded (notebooks set aside as they have more processes), has ran rather slugishly.

[drivehard454]

I can understand that. The thing is my machine does not run sluggish. It is only slow, or seems to be "searching" when I go to open my computer. Also the only other noticable time is right after start-up, when I open explorer it takes a while to open the homepage. Any time after that initial explorer delay, it opens just fine any time after.

I do have a lot of processes that start with the start-up. I have my epson printer, Any DVD, Nvidia control panel, msn messager, volume controls, sound max control panel. Also the updates are ready to install icon pops up, and the safely remove hardware. For some reason, with my Epson printer now installed, I get the safely remove hardware icon for a removable drive H? I click that drive in the my computer and it says to insert a disc. I have no idea why that is there, and why it has to do with the printer?

I am going to shut down some of these processes, as I don't need them running at all times. I just left them until I could figure the other things out. I am going to do that right now.

Thanks for the input. I may be posting back afterwards. I am going to see how many processes are running after that.

[Judas]

To keep things rather simple.

i use MSconfig as my guidelines for what should be removed from startup.

For example:

START~>RUN~>msconfig ~~~> Startup

Everything listed in the startup tab is removeable with absalutely no hinderance usually at all, (i've yet to run into a single device or peice of software that would react negatively at all, although some programs suggest you don't do this, i ignore it as usually they are incorrect)

So everything in the msconfig startup tab is removeable.

I also check the start menu startup, i keep it completely clear of everything.

Unchecking in the msconfig is usually futile for most apps. (they tend to find another way)

So to REALLY see what is listed

(Warning, this for those fully aware of what the registry is and how it works, and that it should be BACKED UP PRIOR to making changes of any nature, i'm not responcible, just you are if you do anything that'll mess up the computer)


I load up registry by:

START~>RUN~>regedit ~~~>

there are 2 places that most of all startup programs are listed, for both hidden or viewable within msconfig.

navigate the following:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER ~> Software ~> Microsoft ~> Windows ~> CurrentVersion ~> Run

Within the RUN folder, everything BUT "Default" can be removed and fully disabled. This not only removes it from being listed in msconfig, but makes sure it should never start again enless something is constantly interfeering here (in which case check for spyware of some sort)

It is also usually where some odd programs get listed for startup, sometimes hidden here as well.

the next location however is default for most of everything.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE ~> SOFTWARE ~> Microsoft ~> Windows ~> CurrentVersion ~> Run

In this folder once again, everything BUT DEFAULT can be deleted. (If you have a ATI Radeon using CCC, you MUST leave ONE CLI.exe in this startup)

Some programs i know for a fact like to put themselves here are the following after a clean install.

Nero Burning Rom likes to install nerocheck
PowerDVD likes to install a remote process of some sort here as well
MSN messenger is usually defaulted to here, I highly suggest anyone with windows XP or previous version of Messenger, to uninstall the prepackaged windows messenger and use the windows live one.
Winamp Agent
Various Adobe progs
Winzip
Nearly all Printer/Scanner/Digital camera software packages load up the startup registry here with garbage that isn't nessary to have load EVERY single time you boot up the machine, plus considering the fact that when you plug in your camera, generally the correct program will run anyways, OR you can choose to run it via the program listing in startup.


In the end, all i've listed in my startup/registries, is strickly only ATI's CLI.exe startup, nothing more.

[drivehard454]

OK, so I diabled the programs that where running in the task-bar. The only one that still is running is the safely remove hardware icon. I click it and it sayssafely remove USB mass starage device drive H. Still do not know what that is for. I go to my computer and it just say removable disk H.

I check my running processes in task manager and there are 20 running. Is it normal when going to the performance tab to have CPU useage at 100% when i have nothing running? I never paid attention to it in the past so I don't know what it should be reading. Seems the processor shouldn't be doing anything. Also in the Processes tab it says 99 @ 220k. Is this normal?

Please be patient, I am a learn as I go person, and am determined to learn more about the computer running system. Thanks

[Judas]

the safetly remove device is for a mass storage controller, most likely from what i could tell by your discription, as being a external USB hardrive. I wouldn't worry about that thing though, leave that alone

As for the CPU usage, something is up, on a fresh boot, after everything is fully loaded, the CPU cycles should be @ 0% or at most 1% tops. (enless of course it's a very old machine, which may vary depending on the cpu/ram)

my system sits @ 0% usuage at all times until i do something.

Can you name the process that is runn @ 99% and 220k? It should be listed with a imagename, that would help me figure out what it is and why it would be using up so much.

[Judas]

btw..

this is my machine running a few programs at the same time (namely IE7 with several tabs, Winamp, Windows Live Messenger, and of course ATI's CLI.exe process is running duplicated due to haveing ATI's OVERDRIVE running)

[drivehard454]

Seems I have you available right now. I wanted to send you a snap shot of my task manager the same way you just did. I have done it before and for the life of me cannot remember how. i also need to know how to put it in the post.

I went to the MSconfig and selected the startup tab. I disabled the following:
AnyDVD
Nerocheck
Adobe Reader Speed launch
Adobe Reader Sychronizer

I assume msmsgs is windows messenger, but I did not disable it.
I also do not know what the other ones are for. I am a little leary of changing things I do not know about right now as I am recovering from a previous blunder and don't want to have it happen again. Any ways the rest are:

RegCon
NvCpl
nwiz
NvMcTray
msmsgs

The one that is running at 99 persent is Image Name-SYSTEM and User Name-SYSTEM

It goes down in value as I type, and I also noticed that if I open or close windows the value goes down and the iexplorer goes from 00 to 03- 09.

Thanks

[Judas]

something is uniquely odd if you "system" process is running flat out all the time..

i'll have to look into that.


as for MSCONFIG, the startup, if you uncheck everything, you should have absalute no issue restarting the computer and getting back into that menu to RECHECK what was unchecked if you run into a problem.

The adobe stuff can be removed, the regcon i'm not completely sure what that is for... msmsgs isn't nessary (but it's your choice)...

btw, i just go to www.imageshack.us and upload the image by waiting for it to complete uploading and then copying the img address and pasting it here.

[drivehard454]

Yes I looked at your system processes. It seems yours is the opposite. It shows that sytem idle process is at 99 with 28k and sytem is at 00 at 244k, and mine is is system idle at 00 with 16k and system is 99 at 220k.

The thing is my computer does not show that it is constantly working, I mean that as the processor usage light on the case is never lit up unless I am making the system work.

I looked at the imageshack and it looks pretty self explainitory. Except the thing is how do I get a snapshot of something like the Task manager the way you did to post it? That is the part I can't remember how it's done.

I shut down my computer and restarted. It started fine and I notice that anything I open right after starting takes 10 - 15 seconds to open. after that everything opens instantly. The only thing that takes some time is opening my computer, That takes approx. 10 sec everytime I try to open it.

Well, I'll give you time to see what you you can find. Thanks for all your help.

[Judas]

hmm..

what i did was open task manager and press and hold ALT then hit PrtScn.

Then just go into MSPAINT and edit/paste the screen capture of task manager,

save as a JPEG to a known location and then go to imageshack to upload it.



I think pangingjr is going to have to fill in on the possible reasons why the system process is drawing so much.

as for the "my Computer" taking ages, that may be due to possible removeable drives, or many of them. Could be a possible conflict there somewhere.

[drivehard454]

Thanks I will wait anxiously. I am going to try to post my task manager.

[drivehard454]

am trying to load Task manager.

[drivehard454]

Alright, now i feel like I shouldn't even own a computer. I cannot figure out how to get the image to DH. I got the Task Manager to load to image shack and that was it. How do I get it to my post? Please have mercy on me.

[drivehard454]

http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tmut7.png
Does this work?

How do I get the image to display? Thanks

[PangingJr]

the root cause in this problem can be either software or hardware... you will need to do some reading and to see which case problem from the below... is applied to you.

there will be a lot of messages within results of this search where people are also stictly talking about "System Idle" process, and some other things or some spam messages that are not about the causes or solutions to resolve the problem, so you need to skip those messages...
i hope you will find at least a solution to your problem.


system process using 99%...
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...25&qt_s=Search


system process using 99%...
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...rch+this+group

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just so you know, Judas sends a PM to me for this, he is really liked to help you.

[Judas]

panging, you found more on that then i did. I've never ever seen the system process take up any cpu time.

[PangingJr]

you can download the Process Explorer program, install it and use it to break down the "System" process,
start the program... R-click the System process and select Properties... and go to the tab Threads...
then look for the thread that has high CPU usage, and then post back with the infomation of the thread.


in the computer system that has this problem the "System" process is the only process that consumes most of the "CPU Time" instead of the "System Idle Process".
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[Judas]

where can he get the process explorer program?

[PangingJr]

link to download the Process Explorer program can be found on my post #14 (above)

[drivehard454]

Thanks guys. I will give this a go and post back with the findings. I appreciate your help.

[drivehard454]

Ok, I have read just about every entry in both the links that PangingJr recommended I look through. I did'nt find any helpful solutions. I even did some searching of my own. It seems that anybody that is experiencing the same thing with system using 99% CPU is having problems with their computer doing anything at all. Acting very slow, not starting, shutting down, etc.

My computer is working just fine. It only hangs up once in a while and its not that bad. The only process that seems to take a while is when opening "my computer", it searches with the flashlight, and first time opening windows or programs right after start-up like I was saying originally.

I still have to run the Process System program. I have been busy on other things lately so I haven't been able to stick with it for an extended period of time. I will update on my findings. Thanks again.

[PangingJr]

just post back with more info whenever you can and i will then check it out.

[drivehard454]

Here is the rsults from running system explorer and checking the properties of "system"