help!! windows cannot pick up the 250g Sata

benw1981 · Apr 23, 2006, 08:10 PM

i just got a seagate 250Gb Sata and i have installed it into the computer.
The problem i have it that i press del at startup to bring up the bios and it didnt pick it up
i then did auto detect and that didnt work either.
i changed the sata to enable in one of the sub menus in bios and it still didnt work.
Is there any drivers that i have to install for the motherboard in order to know that theres a sata hard drive there?

this sata is my slave it will b for backup only!

Judas · Apr 23, 2006, 09:26 PM

...Motherboard.... Driver specifics..

if you have an Nvidia NForce chipset on that board and that drive is a SATA2 drive.... your quite likely out of luck.... unfortuneatly..

Please get back with more specifics:

System specs
Windows Version
Anything that may be directly related to that drive as well. (a Model number for example and Firmware Version)

benw1981 · Apr 23, 2006, 10:17 PM

ok cool...
well i have 2 computers the first one has a BIOSTAR Motherboard P4 series which does have sata on the box. and the other computer is an msi. i cant find the model no. im not sure where to find it the first has windows xp home and the other is windows xp pro

benw1981 · Apr 23, 2006, 10:36 PM

....well the 2nd computer can find it it comes up saying boot failure which means its trying to load up off that hard drive but in the bios it comes up as primary ide master and the other 2 hard drives i have third master and 3rd slave........how can i get this so the 3rd master is primary master and the 3rd slave primary slave and the new hard drive secondary slave?

Judas · Apr 23, 2006, 10:41 PM

probably either by move the cables around to match the connetors 1/2/3/4..

Or you can set it to boot from the HD that is correct... by going into the bios and setting the boot hardrive to the specific hardrive that has the information needed...

And if being seen in the intel p4 system... i'm curious to know what your MSI one is.. You don't have the box? or the manual for it.. should say right on it somewhere.. even on the motherboard itself.

benw1981 · Apr 23, 2006, 11:10 PM

i have got the msi one up and running its just formatting right now its just the biostar p4 series i cant seem to get it to come on.

benw1981 · Apr 23, 2006, 11:45 PM

the biostar p4 series is p4m80-m7 is the motherboard thats not picking up the other hard drive.

wot im gonna do is once the other hard drive is formatted ill try putting that it the other computer n c if that works

benw1981 · Apr 24, 2006, 12:55 AM

wot program do i use to format them to their full capacity? i used some seagate program to format it and it only did it at 127Gb not 250Gb.
then i used partition manager and i got it to format the whole drive to 250Gb then i when i restarted the computer it didnt come up again.

benw1981 · Apr 24, 2006, 02:19 AM

WTF???
now i cant seem to find the dvd rom and the dvd burner!!?
i have tried to go into the add new hardware and its not picking it up there and i just cant seem to get it all fixed.

Is it alot easier if somehow i reinstall everything and then use it as a backup?

benw1981 · Apr 24, 2006, 03:13 AM

ok...........

Computer 1 - Msi N1996 - 1st HD Seagate 120Gb/Master - 2nd HD Seagate 200Gb/Slave -
Windows XP Pro
Wanting to have the seagate 250Gb as a slave only for backup

Computer 2 - Biostar P4 Series P4M80-M7 - 1st HD Seagate 160Gb - Windows XP Home
Wanting to have the seagate 250Gb as a slave only for backup

Still trying to get the dvd rom and burner back onto the computer i keep changing all the different settings in cmos. i go to intergrated peripherals then onchip ide config or something like that to enable the sata stuff.

Judas · Apr 24, 2006, 01:23 PM

strange...
you could try resetting the to defaults in the cmos..

perhaps you need a bios update for the board?

here's the biostart product page..

http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80-m7

might try sending biostar a email asking to see if there is a problem..

But frankly i can't see why the thing doesn't want to work... is there a SATA1 Capability mode on it?

ZeroOne · Apr 24, 2006, 03:41 PM

I Dunno if you have a S-ata and a P-ata running on the same system.

On my system i have to pull out the P-ata drive connectors, to setup Windows on the S-ata
drive , otherwise windows will install it self on the P-ata, and refuse to setup on The S-ata drive, even while the S-ata drivers are loaded from diskette.

benw1981 · Apr 24, 2006, 06:56 PM

can i backup the bios b4 i default it? and how?

Judas · Apr 24, 2006, 09:06 PM

i don't beleive you can backup the bios before defaulting it...

best way to do it would be to write down the settings you've got..

Falstaff · Apr 24, 2006, 09:29 PM

is this an F-6 thing where you have to load the SATA drivers during the XP install?

benw1981 · Apr 24, 2006, 10:29 PM

dont no i just want them as slaves and just backup all my stuff on them. i dont want to install windows on them. i just want windows to say theres another hard drive there and i can just format it n all that stuff

PangingJr · Apr 24, 2006, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benw1981

ok...........

Computer 1 - Msi N1996 - 1st HD Seagate 120Gb/Master - 2nd HD Seagate 200Gb/Slave -
Windows XP Pro.
Wanting to have the seagate 250Gb as a slave only for backup

Computer 2 - Biostar P4 Series P4M80-M7 - 1st HD Seagate 160Gb - Windows XP Home
http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80-m7
Wanting to have the seagate 250Gb as a slave only for backup

i like to have this info...
...All of your Seagate hard drive's Model Number: (for an example, Barracuda 7200.9 250 GB 'Model Number: ST3250824AS')

also, please answer these questions...
do you have XP service pack 2 on both the computer 1 and 2?
can you post picture of window of the Disk Management (start/run... diskmgmt.msc)?

also like to have links to the following pages...

1) ...MSI N1996 product page
2) ...Biostar P4M80-M7 user manual download page
3) ...MSI N1996 user manual download page

also, confirm that you just wanted to add a new drive to the existing Windows system's, not wanting to do a fresh install of Windows... ?

benw1981 · Apr 25, 2006, 01:18 AM

120Gb Hard drive - ST3120026A
200Gb Hard drive - ST3200822A

Sorry the 160gb is not a seagate the correct is below

160Gb Hard drive - Samsung SP1604N

Both Seagate 250Gb Sata - ST3250824AS

Both comps have service pack 2
also wrong msi board

msi 865pe neo2 - http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...il.php?UID=433

Biostar P4M80-M7 - http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80-m7

With the Seagate HD i think they are barracuuda

Yes thats correct im only using the new drives 250Gb Sata) as backup only so i dont need to install windows onto them

PangingJr · Apr 25, 2006, 01:46 AM

Ok, thanks for all the info...

it may take a while before i can check your motherborad, so please continue with your other works.
i'll get back to you as soon as i can.

benw1981 · Apr 25, 2006, 01:58 AM

cheers ill keep trying but im starting to run out of ideas

PangingJr · Apr 25, 2006, 02:41 AM

you 'might' need to force the new Seagate 250 GB ST3250824AS drives to 1.5Gb/s mode.

so, in the mean time i like you to check with Seagate tech supports, either email them at DiscSupport@seagate.com (or fill in the form at http://www.seagate.com/support), or call them on the phone. ask them where you can get the jumper for your ST3250824AS drives,
since the jumper is not come with the drives, and give them reason that you want to force the ST3250824AS drives to 1.5Gb/s mode.

your new ST3250824AS drives have NCQ and Hot Plug features, but i don't think the SATA controller on your motherboards can handle these features.

i have not yet checked your motherborad's... i'll get back to you again when i have already checked your motherboards's BIOS and specs, and give you all the info in one step.

PangingJr · Apr 25, 2006, 05:32 AM

Computer 1 -- MSI 865PE Neo2.
User manual - http://66.96.84.4/support/mnu_exe/mbd_mnu/E6728v1.1.exe

MSI 865PE Neo2 has at lease 3 versions

• 865PE Neo2-S [Standard Version, SATA(SB)]
• 865PE Neo2-LS [10/100 LAN, SATA(SB)]
• 865PE Neo2-FIS2R [Gb LAN, IEEE1394, SATA(SB), Ultra/SATA RAID(Promise)]

I'll not talk about the Promise controllers unless your MSI 865PE Neo2 has them and you want to use the Promise SATA connectors.

will talk about the connectors that are powered by the southbridge chips.

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Serial ATA/Serial ATA RAID Connectors controlled by ICH5/ICH5R: SATA1, SATA2 (Optional)
The Southbridge of this mainboard is ICH5/ICH5R which supports two serial connectors SATA1& SATA2.
SATA1 & SATA2 are dual high-speed Serial ATA interface ports. Each supports 1st generation serial ATA data rates of 150 MB/s.
Both connectors are fully compliant with Serial ATA 1.0 specifications. Each Serial ATA connector can connect to 1 hard disk device.
Please refer to Serial ATA/Serial ATA Raid manual for detail software installation procedure.

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ATA Operate Mode

There are two modes to select:

Legacy mode and Native mode.

Legacy Mode:

--- In this mode, system BIOS just assign the traditional 14 and 15 IRQs to use for HDD.
--- Older OSs that do not support switch to Native Mode (DOS, Win2K,Win98/ME...) should set SATA and PATA to Legacy Mode.
--- Maximum 4 ATA devices to connect.
--- Combine mode and Non-Combine mode.
! Non-Combined Mode: P-ATA devices only. Maximum of 4 devices.
! Non-Combined Mode: S-ATA devices only. Maximum of 2 devices.
! Combined Mode: S-ATA devices P-ATA devices. Maximum of 2 devices each, thus total 4 devices at maximum.

Native Mode:

--- In this mode, system BIOS will search all available IRQs to use for HDD.
--- New OS that support switch to Native Mode (WinXP, Windows .NET Server) can set SATA and PATA to Native Mode.
--- Comprehend both Legacy and/or Native Modes.
--- Maximum 6 ATA deivces to connect (4 for P-ATA & 2 for S-ATA).

BIOS setup...

Integrated Peripherals

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On-Chip IDE Configuration
Press <Enter> to enter the sub-menu and the following screen appears:

On-Chip ATA(s) Operate Mode
This setting allows you to detemine how the RAID controller on the south bridge is going to switch to SATA controller.
Legacy Mode means you may use the traditional 14 and 15 IRQs, while Native Mode means you may use all the available IRQs.
Setting options: Legacy Mode, Native Mode. ===========>[Try setting this to Native Mode first]

ATA Configuration
The field lets you to configure the available ATA controller.
Setting options: Disabled, P-ATA Only, S-ATA Only, P-ATA+S-ATA. ===========>[P-ATA+S-ATA]

S-ATA Keep Enabled
This item is available for you to enable/disable the onboard S-ATA.
Setting options: Yes, No. ===========>[Yes]

P-ATA Keep Enabled
This item is available for you to enable/disable the onboard P-ATA.
Setting options: Yes, No. ===========>[Yes]

P-ATA Channel Selection
This item is available for you to select the parellel ATA channel.
Setting options: Primary, Secondary, Both. ===========>[Both]

Combined Mode Option <=This option may not available after changing the On-Chip ATA(s) Operate Mode to Native Mode.
This item is available for you to select the combined mode of the ATA controllers.
Setting options: P-ATA 1st Channel, S-ATA 1st Channel. ===========>[P-ATA 1st Channel]

Configure S-ATA as RAID
This item is available for you to configure S-ATA as onboard RAID.
Setting: Yes, No. ===========>[No]

Computer 2 -- Biostar P4M80-M7.
User manual - ftp://ftp.biostar-usa.com/manuals/P4...0-M7manual.pdf
BIOS Setup - ftp://ftp.biostar-usa.com/manuals/P4...M80-M7bios.pdf

I can't find any other useful info in the BIOS setup manual...

BIOS Setup

Integrated Peripherals

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OnChip SATA
This option allows you to enable the onchip Serial ATA.
The Choices: Enabled (default), Disabled. ===========>[Enabled]

SATA Mode ===========>[Try changing this option from RAID to other option like IDE Mode]
there is no info about this option in the BIOS Setup user manual.

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O. JSATA1/JSATA2: Serial ATA Connectors
The motherboard has a PCI to SATA Controller with 2 channels SATA
interface, Data transfer rates up to 150 MB/s, Complaints with SATA Version 1.0 specification.

R. IDE1/2: Hard disk connectors.
Onboard IDE Support 4 IDE disk drives.
Supports PIO mode 0~4, Bus Master, and Ultra DMA
33/66/100/133 function.

PangingJr · Apr 25, 2006, 10:29 AM

the "Native Mode" which i think it is equivalent to "Enhanced Mode" in newer or some of the Intel chipsets motherboard's BIOS, when Enhanced Mode is set under the On-Chip SATA function, this usually means 6 hard drives at most will be supported (under Windows 2000/XP only), with it set to "SATA Only" only S-ATA hard drives can be used.

some of the newer Intel chipsets motherboards that also supports RAID have included 3 SATA Modes in the BIOS setup, IDE, RAID and AHCI.
some of these newer motherboards's BIOS also include an option under the SATA Mode called something like "SATA transfer speed" (Disable, Force SATA's Generation 1 or 2).

both of your motherboards don't have AHCI mode, the SATA controller can only be either RAID or IDE mode.
it's only RAID (and/or AHCI mode) has been configured then the required driver needs to be installed (not sure about the Via chipset).

the problem here is that after the On-Chip SATA has been Enabled in the BIOS your computer do not automatically detect the new SATA drive.

Further Information: Seagate Supports > Knowledge Base > Disc Drives > FAQs > Serial ATA
http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/di..._faq.html#sata

benw1981 · Apr 26, 2006, 04:41 AM

thankx for that the msi motherboard worked. im having trouble with the p4m80-m7
the thing is that u have the pic of it up there but it says p4m800 is that still the right one?
i have done both ide and raid and it still hasnt come up on comp manager in admin tools

PangingJr · Apr 26, 2006, 05:15 AM

so you are now 100% okay with the 'Computer 1', no more problem with the BIOS detecting the drive, correct?

about the pic of your 'Computer 2' motherboard's layout, i got that pic from the motherboard manual, so it must be it.
anyway, you'll want to set the SATA Mode option to IDE, not RAID.
then in Windows goto Device Manager and see if you can see any sign of any device that needs a driver?

benw1981 · Apr 26, 2006, 05:37 AM

yeah comp 1 is fine now
i have made it ide config in the bios.

how can i put images on here without putting in an url? i have saved them on the hard drive and wanting to put them on for u to c.
but theres nothing there that needs drivers or there no hd in computer management