Windows Vista SP1 RC1 Public

Vikingod · Dec 12, 2007, 08:56 AM

Please discuss the Vista SP1 public release here.

mkk · Dec 12, 2007, 09:20 AM

I'll dodge this since all important fixes that are in SP1 should already be out as individual updates, but it would still be interesting to hear from anyone with first hand experience. Go little guinea pigs, go!

starfury6 · Dec 12, 2007, 09:43 AM

Isnt there something about having to completely uninstall this once the final SP1 is released I seem to remember reading?

Has anyone tried this yet?

I've patched as the weeks go by automatically bit not sure about a non final service pack...

Vikingod · Dec 12, 2007, 10:18 AM

Yes, you will need to uninstall the RC before the final release.

starfury6 · Dec 12, 2007, 10:19 AM

I assume you mean RC

Necrosis · Dec 12, 2007, 11:32 AM

I think I'll sit this one out. Can't believe they put it in windows update too.

PangingJr · Dec 13, 2007, 12:46 AM

i heard SP1 RC is now supporting 4GB RAM in 32-bit (or x86-based) version of Vista just like Windows Server 2008 RC1 32-bit Standard Edition.

i need to make a correction to that.
Physical memory available to Windows is still at 3.5 GB max, but the amount of installed memory in Computer Properties dialog box is 4.00 GB

mike2h · Dec 13, 2007, 01:27 AM

wished that they would fix it so that vid memory is adressed seperately from sytem mem. would make getting 4 gigs worthwhile then.
though i wonder if vista still has some of the little hickups xp has with 4 gig installed...

PangingJr · Dec 13, 2007, 02:18 AM

clean install of Vista on 4GB RAM computer never be a problem to me.
and on my own experience and my own computers with 4 GB RAM, as far as i can see, there is no problem at all with using 4 GB under Vista 32-bit (there should not be problem with the 64-bit editions of Vista). however, i personally never use a vid card with its own memory of more than 256 MB yet, so i'm not sure if there will be any problem with system that has 512 MB and 1 GB of vid memory, well, i just don't think there will be a problem with that.

Judas · Dec 13, 2007, 02:24 AM

the only issues i've come across with 32bit OS + more then 3gb of ram is the lack of being able to actually address that extra ram typically due to the more recent 256mb minimum on video cards and the fact that 1gb cards are coming into play now....

Now in some circumstances... depending on the boards in use.. and the chipset as well, i've seen some machines litterly just fall appart under windows XP Pro SP2, system becomes unresponcive sometimes, or weird errors start popping up... List goes on.

If you use the PAE extension, the amount of overhead to address the extra space is pretty horrific. Typically a BAD idea if your doing some pretty insanely memory bandwidth related tasks, games included.... it's not a wise idea.... from my experience though.

What i don't get is why anyone needs Vista 32bit... or 32bit aside from older machines that don't have 64bit capabilities.

A New Machine built today, SHOULDN'T have vista 32bit installed onto it IMO, i haven't installed a single 32bit verison of windows since vista launched aside from my own testing and the machines incapable of 64bit.

PangingJr · Dec 13, 2007, 02:59 AM

well, i think, most of today computer system are x86-64 and capable of using 64-bit editions of Windows. but most of new computers with 1-2GB are built and sold today's will still be having Windows x86-based OS.

ChaosMinionX · Dec 13, 2007, 04:38 AM

Using SP1 RC1..... alot of noticeable "day to day" improvements in terms of responsiveness and whatnot. Gaming, nothing really out of the ordinary.

Dyre Straits · Dec 13, 2007, 05:09 AM

As I'm not having any particularly bothersome problems, I think I'll skip this 'evaluation' copy and wait it out. I do keep things updated via the Update site anyway.

PangingJr · Dec 13, 2007, 05:44 AM

just finished 3 clean install of Vista's, each system require about 15-20 minutes for the installation of Windows and a reactivation (by phone call),
then each system has SP1 RC installed, the installation of the SP took some time to finish, then all 3 Vista copies requires a internet activation (again).
i've been using SP1 beta for quite abit of time and i found nothing broken, so i feel comfortable to use this RC build.

Dyre Straits · Dec 13, 2007, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PangingJr

just finished 3 clean install of Vista's, each system require about 15-20 minutes for the installation of Windows and a reactivation (by phone call),
then each system has SP1 RC installed, the installation of the SP took some time to finish, then all 3 Vista copies requires a internet activation (again).
i've been using SP1 beta for quite abit of time and i found nothing broken, so i feel comfortable to use this RC build.

So, do you find there to be any real pressing reason/s to install this now?

PangingJr · Dec 13, 2007, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

So, do you find there to be any real pressing reason/s to install this now?

there is no real reason to install this build of Service pack now if you don't want to.
however, for me, there's no real reason to wait for the final version since i also want to test some new application that i intend to use in a near future.

you probably won't see the different between before and after you install this Service pack,
myself don't expect to see much of a different in Vista, and i don't really see much of a different.

however, as you know, there are a lot of patches have been occurring since Vista released, and there are whole lot more patches, which have never been included in any of the regular update services. i believe this Service pack contains most of the patches that are available up to date, and Microsoft upgrades the whole Vista with this Service pack.

Dyre Straits · Dec 14, 2007, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PangingJr

there is no real reason to install this build of Service pack now if you don't want to.
however, for me, there's no real reason to wait for the final version since i also want to test some new application that i intend to use in a near future.

you probably won't see the different between before and after you install this Service pack,
myself don't expect to see much of a different in Vista, and i don't really see much of a different.

however, as you know, there are a lot of patches have been occurring since Vista released, and there are whole lot more patches, which have never been included in any of the regular update services. i believe this Service pack contains most of the patches that are available up to date, and Microsoft upgrades the whole Vista with this Service pack.

Thank you.

I'm curious as to whether Microsoft plans to provide any drivers for "legacy" USB devices. As you may recall, I have both a UMAX legal size flatbed scanner and a Lexmark X83 All-in-One printer/scanner/fax/copier here. Both are USB and not supported by the manufacturers for Vista. Both work just fine under XP. It would be nice to have these devices working rather than relegated either to the trash heap or to have to continue using XP in order to get any use from them.

USB = Universal Serial Bus

BUT, not necessarily if it's connected to Vista.

Judas · Dec 14, 2007, 02:46 AM

IMO the term used for universal is related to the Port and the devices that can be designed for it....

But it all depends on the manufacturer to provide at LEAST some form of support/driver something for microsoft to work with..

What i've recently noticed is the COMPLETE lack of Dialup modem support in vista..

while quite often the quality modems, specially from USR or 3COM typically work emediately..... but most of the more mass available modems used in alot of different machines.... or even retail..... ZERO support period.... kinda upsetting in one respect, but imo, completely acceptible considering that dialup is getting sevearly old.

I had a UMAX scanner, indeed it doesn't work.... and the lexmark driver support list has never impressed me.. actually i have a complete dislike to lexmark....

starfury6 · Dec 14, 2007, 03:26 AM

I started the process of getting this last night (after too long playing crysis). You download an archive with a cmd file and a readme from M$. The cmd file run as Admin adds a value to the registry to show the patch needed prior to seeing the service pack appear in windows update.

Vikingod · Dec 15, 2007, 12:46 PM

I've been running it a couple days now. Really no noticable changes that I can tell.

PangingJr · Dec 16, 2007, 08:25 AM

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PangingJr · Dec 17, 2007, 02:38 AM

You're welcome, Dyres. however, i don't think there is any improvements in the situation you have encountered.

the main improvement that i have noticed so far, the networking seems to have been improved, on both stability and faster network connections. i mean my network seems to be connecting more faster and has been more stable than before.

starfury6 · Dec 17, 2007, 04:44 AM

I installed this at the weekend, after a total of 11 hours it finished. Very strange it took that long and it did hang at one point of the installation but a reboot and it carried on where it left off.

Networking is certainly the area I have noticed improvements. The speed of the dialog box which indicates how long remaining is far faster to give you an idea of the time, the speed itself seems to have improved, especially when moving larger files.

PangingJr · Dec 17, 2007, 07:42 AM

so you have noticed that too.
i also find that Windows Server 2008 SP1 RC, also have a very good networking performance.

Vikingod · Dec 17, 2007, 08:54 AM

I've noticed very large .rar files seem to open much faster than before, which is excellent news.

kelston · Dec 27, 2007, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

So, do you find there to be any real pressing reason/s to install this now?

Having installed it yesterday and then uninstalling it about 10 minutes ago, I could tell you I had some real pressing reasons NOT to install it now.

Quick summary of my experiences with SP1 RC1:

- First download succeeded, damned fast 1400kb/sec. Tried to install, stuck at 15% for 20 minutes. Error. Non-specific error. An error with a link to a page on Microsoft's website that doesn't exist. Sweet. Should have quit now.

- Fine. Whatever. Download again. Different version. Instead of x64 5 language pack, went with All language pack. Installed. Took maybe 15 minutes. Felt like 30. But i'm impatient.

- Installed. Type in Windows login password. Pause at login ~5 seconds. Popup error. SSDP Discovery Service stopped unexpectedly. Sweet. I don't use it anyway, but annoying nonetheless. I get a perma red X on my network icon in the system tray.

- Send report. Check Network/Sharing in Control Panel, make sure everything's working even without the discovery service. Popup error 1. 2. 3. Nice. Network Store Interface Service stopped working x3. Looks like Network/Sharing is borked. Whatever. I only have one computer right now, lent my laptop away. No biggie.

- Mess around. Windows open a bit faster (maybe? maybe just placebo effect). Annoying, it reset the views of half my folders to large icons. Stupid auto-detect folder thing. Should be a way to disable it.

- Launch CoD4. Everything looks ok. Crash. Nice. COM+ Event System stopped working. Shouldn't these kinds of errors be worked out before releasing it on to the public?

- Go to bed. I'll deal with it later. Get back from work, launch EverQuest 2. Screw around. Sweet, my front L/R and center sound is now coming from Rear R/L and my subwoofer + LFE redirection is now coming from my Front L speaker.

- Make posts on support forums with bug reports. No responses, whatever. Typical.

- Uninstall SP1 RC1.

Shaga · Jan 14, 2008, 04:49 AM

Works beatifully here.

PangingJr · Jan 16, 2008, 04:20 AM

network connection icon in system tray sometimes won't change from disconnected to connected or to an online icon, reload explorer fixed this problem with this icon misbehave, and a .cmd script or a shortcut to the the .cmd file on desktop to a quick restart explorer can be useful for this. this is about the problem that i have in the SP1 RC so far.

arabesc · Jan 31, 2008, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelston

- I get a perma red X on my network icon in the system tray.

- Send report. Check Network/Sharing in Control Panel, make sure everything's working even without the discovery service. Popup error 1. 2. 3. Nice. Network Store Interface Service stopped working x3. Looks like Network/Sharing is borked. Whatever. I only have one computer right now, lent my laptop away. No biggie.

- COM+ Event System stopped working.

I have the same problem with the latest version of SP1 (6001.18000.080118-1840) on Vista x64...

Dec 12, 2007, 08:56 AM	#1
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Dec 12, 2007, 09:43 AM	#3
starfury6 Dark Jedi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 335 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Isnt there something about having to completely uninstall this once the final SP1 is released I seem to remember reading? Has anyone tried this yet? I've patched as the weeks go by automatically bit not sure about a non final service pack... __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue][/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] Intel Q6600 / Dual 8800 GTS 512/ Asus Striker II Formula OCZ 4GB DDR2 1066 / Scythe Ninja / Hyper 880w 3 x Maxtor 750GB total SATAII / LG Multi Blu[/color]

Dec 12, 2007, 10:18 AM	#4
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	Yes, you will need to uninstall the RC before the final release. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Dec 13, 2007, 12:46 AM	#7
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	i heard SP1 RC is now supporting 4GB RAM in 32-bit (or x86-based) version of Vista just like Windows Server 2008 RC1 32-bit Standard Edition. i need to make a correction to that. Physical memory available to Windows is still at 3.5 GB max, but the amount of installed memory in Computer Properties dialog box is 4.00 GB Last edited by PangingJr; Dec 13, 2007 at 12:59 AM.

Dec 13, 2007, 01:27 AM	#8
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,489 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	wished that they would fix it so that vid memory is adressed seperately from sytem mem. would make getting 4 gigs worthwhile then. though i wonder if vista still has some of the little hickups xp has with 4 gig installed... __________________

Dec 12, 2007, 09:20 AM	#2
mkk cheap philanthropist Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 3,682 Rep Power: 67 System Specs	I'll dodge this since all important fixes that are in SP1 should already be out as individual updates, but it would still be interesting to hear from anyone with first hand experience. Go little guinea pigs, go!

Dec 12, 2007, 10:19 AM	#5
starfury6 Dark Jedi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 335 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I assume you mean RC

Dec 13, 2007, 02:18 AM	#9
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	clean install of Vista on 4GB RAM computer never be a problem to me. and on my own experience and my own computers with 4 GB RAM, as far as i can see, there is no problem at all with using 4 GB under Vista 32-bit (there should not be problem with the 64-bit editions of Vista). however, i personally never use a vid card with its own memory of more than 256 MB yet, so i'm not sure if there will be any problem with system that has 512 MB and 1 GB of vid memory, well, i just don't think there will be a problem with that.

Dec 13, 2007, 02:59 AM	#11
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	well, i think, most of today computer system are x86-64 and capable of using 64-bit editions of Windows. but most of new computers with 1-2GB are built and sold today's will still be having Windows x86-based OS.

Dec 13, 2007, 04:38 AM	#12
ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York Posts: 2,182 Rep Power: 31 System Specs	Using SP1 RC1..... alot of noticeable "day to day" improvements in terms of responsiveness and whatnot. Gaming, nothing really out of the ordinary. __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!

Dec 13, 2007, 05:44 AM	#14
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	just finished 3 clean install of Vista's, each system require about 15-20 minutes for the installation of Windows and a reactivation (by phone call), then each system has SP1 RC installed, the installation of the SP took some time to finish, then all 3 Vista copies requires a internet activation (again). i've been using SP1 beta for quite abit of time and i found nothing broken, so i feel comfortable to use this RC build.

Dec 14, 2007, 03:26 AM	#19
starfury6 Dark Jedi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 335 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I started the process of getting this last night (after too long playing crysis). You download an archive with a cmd file and a readme from M$. The cmd file run as Admin adds a value to the registry to show the patch needed prior to seeing the service pack appear in windows update. __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue][/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] Intel Q6600 / Dual 8800 GTS 512/ Asus Striker II Formula OCZ 4GB DDR2 1066 / Scythe Ninja / Hyper 880w 3 x Maxtor 750GB total SATAII / LG Multi Blu[/color]

Dec 15, 2007, 12:46 PM	#20
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	I've been running it a couple days now. Really no noticable changes that I can tell. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Dec 16, 2007, 08:25 AM	#21
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC Public Availability Program - Download details: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC Public Availability Program Brief Description: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC is available through Windows Update. Windows Vista SP1 Release Candidate Stand-alone Packages. - These packages support SP1 installations on all versions of Windows Vista with one, five, or a combination of the 36 Windows Vista languages installed. - Windows Vista SP1 Release Candidate Standalone Packages Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC - 5 Language Standalone Package Brief Description: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) RC should be used to update a PC running Windows Vista RTM to Windows Vista SP1. Windows6.0-KB936330-wave0-X86.exe (436.3 MB) - Download details: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC - 5 Language Standalone Package Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC - All Language Standalone Package Brief Description: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) RC should be used to update a PC running Windows Vista RTM to Windows Vista SP1. Windows6.0-KB936330-wave1-X86.exe (548.5 MB) - Download details: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC - All Language Standalone Package Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC for x64 Based Editions - 5 Language Standalone Package Brief Description: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) RC should be used to update a PC running Windows Vista RTM to Windows Vista SP1. Windows6.0-KB936330-wave0-X64.exe (733.5 MB) - Download details: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC for x64 Based Editions - 5 Language Standalone Package Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC1 for x64 Based Editions - All Language Standalone Package Brief Description: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) RC1 should be used to update a PC running Windows Vista RTM to Windows Vista SP1. Windows6.0-KB936330-wave1-X64.exe (878.5 MB) - Download details: Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC1 for x64 Based Editions - All Language Standalone Package Things to know before you download Windows Vista SP1 - Windows Vista Service Pack 1 - Things to Know Before You Download Windows Vista Service Pack 1 RC: Frequently Asked Questions - Windows Service Pack 1 RC FAQ TechNet Forums - forum for all issues related to Windows Vista SP1 - Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) - TechNet Forums Release Notes for This Release of Windows Vista SP1 - Download details: Release Notes for This Release of Windows Vista SP1 Windows Vista SP1 Guides for IT Professionals - Download details: Windows Vista SP1 Guides for IT Professionals Last edited by PangingJr; Dec 16, 2007 at 12:28 PM.

Dec 17, 2007, 02:38 AM	#22
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	You're welcome, Dyres. however, i don't think there is any improvements in the situation you have encountered. the main improvement that i have noticed so far, the networking seems to have been improved, on both stability and faster network connections. i mean my network seems to be connecting more faster and has been more stable than before. Last edited by PangingJr; Dec 17, 2007 at 03:08 AM.

Dec 17, 2007, 04:44 AM	#23
starfury6 Dark Jedi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 335 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I installed this at the weekend, after a total of 11 hours it finished. Very strange it took that long and it did hang at one point of the installation but a reboot and it carried on where it left off. Networking is certainly the area I have noticed improvements. The speed of the dialog box which indicates how long remaining is far faster to give you an idea of the time, the speed itself seems to have improved, especially when moving larger files.

Dec 17, 2007, 07:42 AM	#24
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	so you have noticed that too. i also find that Windows Server 2008 SP1 RC, also have a very good networking performance.

Dec 17, 2007, 08:54 AM	#25
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,149 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	I've noticed very large .rar files seem to open much faster than before, which is excellent news. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

Jan 14, 2008, 04:49 AM	#27
Shaga Cyber Agent Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nordic Region Posts: 320 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Works beatifully here. __________________ Server: Currently Offline

Jan 16, 2008, 04:20 AM	#28
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	network connection icon in system tray sometimes won't change from disconnected to connected or to an online icon, reload explorer fixed this problem with this icon misbehave, and a .cmd script or a shortcut to the the .cmd file on desktop to a quick restart explorer can be useful for this. this is about the problem that i have in the SP1 RC so far.