Who has probs (BSOD's) with Vista and 7.3

*rhyinem* · Apr 3, 2007, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadrunner7

I got the same problem with the BSOD.

I have:
Windows Vista Ultimate 32 bit
Asus P5B Premium Vista Edition
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Geil 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC6400 800MHz Ultra 4-4-4-12
500 GB Samsung SATA HDD
Sapphire Radeon x1650 Pro
Sony KDL-40W2000 (1080p via DVI->HDMI)
Connected to USB: Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 7000 (Bluetooth), Asus ScreenDUO, Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision Webcam
The integrated ReadyBoost (Asus ASAP) on the motherboard is also activated (which is connected internally to the USB bus)

Another issue I have, with the 7.2 drivers, is that if I switch the TV to another channel, and then back to the computer, the screen remains black. I get the picture back when I make a resolution change or the screensaver turns off the display and then back on. Or I can pull out the cable between the TV and the HTPC and then put it back in.
Is there a way to make the display adapter not stop sending signals even if it thinks that there is no display at the other end of the cable (which it obviously does not correctly know all the time)?

Ironically enough the Catalyst 7.3 drivers fix that issue with your TV.

JerCal · Apr 3, 2007, 02:42 PM

I too am having the same issue with the 7.3 driver under Vista Ultimate 32 bit. Everything is fine once I revert back to the 7.2 driver. I have the PCI Express X1950 Pro and the Samsung SyncMaster 915N LCD connected using a DVI to VGA converter.

Devices that I have connected using USB are:
Canon 5200F Scanner
HP Laserjet 1012 Printer
X-Arcade Joystick
Logitech Dual Action Gamepad
Logitech G7 Cordless Laser Mouse using Windows driver
iPod dock

cuke2u · Apr 3, 2007, 03:07 PM

Hi, interestingly I have received this reply from ATI today @ 19.19:

" [COLOR=black]This issue has been reported by some end users, the current workaround is to install the Catalyst 7.2 drivers and wait for the Catalyst 7.4 drivers later this month."[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]ChrisC[/COLOR]

Judas · Apr 3, 2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JT2046

The ATIStart batch file behaves funny. System error 5 occurs and access is denied. But the CCC can load successfully. What's the catch?

Try this, go into the Start Menu, then into Startup, RIGHT CLICK the BAT file that is listed there and click RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR

The error code 5 access denied should then be prevented and the service will start properly.

I'm trying to find a way to allow the Startup Bat File full access, but i'm not sure how.

Judas · Apr 3, 2007, 03:43 PM

People with the BSOD and need a hot fix,

Try this

http://files.filefront.com/ATIExtEve.../fileinfo.html

Follow the directions, it's a much more similified BAT file, no having to run around and set any services a certain way, this bat file will do it all,

Just download to the desktop, right click the bat and select RUN AS ADMIN, and then allow it to do the work.

It'll automatically set the service to manual mode (so that when you restart, you won't BSOD) and then it'll START the service.

So the only thing you have to do then is apon a restart or a fresh boot up, you'll have to right click, run as admin, and then your good to go.

Unfortuneatly, within Vista, the Startup Start Menu folder idea doesn't work if you have the whole User Access Control system turned on. So you'll HAVE to do it the desktop, right click run as admin method until i figure out a way to either bypass or get granted access through a bat file to set the service without having to run as admin.

JohnY2 · Apr 3, 2007, 04:53 PM

I have done some more testing:

AK38n Shuttle Via KT333ce Athlon XP 2000+
1.5GB Corsair
WD120 HD
onboard audio
onboard via rhine II
A97p Fic 9700pro AGP 128mb
ATI External event disabled in services
no CCC installed

7.14.10.830 RTM OK aero glass enabled WEI 2.9
7.14.10.833 BSOD 0x000116
8.333.0.0 BSOD 0x000116
8.342.0.0 BSOD 0x000116
8.351.0.0 BSOD 0x000116

Only the original Vista RTM shipping driver works. All the ones that BSOD'ed I booted twice to see if they would come up the second time, but none did.
I also tested with various bios settings that effect video with no effect on the BSOD's :

PnP OS on/off
UC vs UCWC
shadow vs no shadow
1/2 T command rate
etc, etc

the CUV4X-DLS w/ via Apollo 694X
and 2 x 1G PIII and 1GB ram
A97p Fic 9700pro as above

The machine mirrors the BSOD's in the above list except 7.14.10.830 RTM does not enable Aero Glass and only gives a WEI of 1.0

JohnY2
I hope this is useful

fdisker · Apr 3, 2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummerh

32 bit. I've also just read the post about the ehome ir receiver - i also have one plugged in.

Same. USB devices include Microsoft Wireless mouse/keyboard, Canon MP830 multifunction (which I absolutely love, btw) and the Ehome receiver remote for media center.

Do I still get the BSOD if I unplug the ehome receiver? Dunno. I refuse to waste my time troubleshooting the problem further. My system is back to being perfectly stable with Cats 7.2.

theonlybabyface · Apr 3, 2007, 07:37 PM

Pretty funny read...

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.a...tno=393&pgno=0

Judas · Apr 3, 2007, 07:52 PM

you know, if someone is going to take the time to "find the culprit" they'd get a little more detailed.

Seeing as it appears to be as easy as delaying the utility from starting up so quickly will prevent the BSODs.....

Intelman · Apr 3, 2007, 10:13 PM

Not always Judas, I've had this set bluescreen on me even with that service delayed.

If you read back and look, you'll see the exact error code.

drummerh · Apr 4, 2007, 07:37 AM

I 've just checked reloading the 7.3 drivers without my ir receiver plugged in and it still goes belly up, in case anyone thinks that might sort it.

Roadrunner7 · Apr 4, 2007, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonlybabyface

Pretty funny read...

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.a...tno=393&pgno=0

That was a funny read. The writer of that story is obviously not aware of the feature called System Restore that exists both in XP and Vista. I simply used this to restore the computer to the point before the driver was installed. It took a couple of minutes, and then everything worked like before.

cefoskey · Apr 4, 2007, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonlybabyface

Pretty funny read...

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.a...tno=393&pgno=0

Amazing. Its like I wrote that article vicariously.

No updates on this thread from ati in couple of days...

Sifozais · Apr 4, 2007, 10:44 AM

I have problems with Catalyst 7.3 too.
I haven't read about this problem and tried to work around my self.

I runned "Use the most recent settings that worked" and was able to get in Vista in normal mode. Then i uninstalled the CCC and display driver seperattely (because in unisnstall options showed only CCC uninstall option). Then tried to install 7.3 again. But I was encountered a problem that install wasn't successiful, because setup shows error " Driver install: the INF file was not found", and after rebooting system, the games and Aero runs fine, but i can't open the CCC at all, and strange, that after right mouse click, there is showing CCC option, but in taskbar there are no CCC icon at all, however I'm no able to run CCC, after clicking on it firstly using right mouse click, nothing happens at all except on some seconds is showing Vista's blue circle.

Is there any way how to reinstall driver, and make after it a successiful CCC installation?

My system: Vista Ultimate 64,
Core 2 Duo E6600,
Gigabyte DS4 mobo,
2Gb Ram, ATI X1900GT,
WD 320Gb HDD,
Creative X-fi extreme music.

theonlybabyface · Apr 4, 2007, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sifozais

Is there any way how to reinstall driver, and make after it a successiful CCC installation?

Unfortunately not. Save yourself some grief and just install the 7.2's until ATI addresses this issue. They still claim that only in "rare cases" this occurs. By the size of this thread, I don't think so.

Judas · Apr 4, 2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intelman

Not always Judas, I've had this set bluescreen on me even with that service delayed.

If you read back and look, you'll see the exact error code.

I'm aware of that error code, while yes it's a problem, i can't say one way or another if it's directly related to the same things that alot of us are experiecing..

From what i could tell, majority of people get by without a BSOD by simply disabling or setting the service to manual, you can't however set it to delayed automatic.... that won't work.

Judas · Apr 4, 2007, 12:15 PM

Update, this problem appears to occur under windows x64 (vista) as well, and the bat file i posted will get you by for the time being as well. (i've had 2 people report it to me and stated the bat worked)

Intelman · Apr 4, 2007, 03:21 PM

Man, I reverted back to 7.2, and I am still getting the 0x00000a BSOD. Each time, Windows Error report reports the issue, and says it is caused by the ATI graphics driver. Well before it said graphics driver, but now it does indeed say ATI. I've uninstalled everything, deleted ATI directories rebooted. Then I installed 7.2 and installed those and rebooted.

Judas · Apr 4, 2007, 03:28 PM

something flaky is definitely going on there then....

JohnY2 · Apr 4, 2007, 03:36 PM

Got Aeroglass running on my CUV4X-DLS (Dual 1.0G PIII's, 1GB mem Via Apollo Pro 694X (think KT133A for duals)) with the 8.31.100.321 driver and some registry flailing. Winsat still gives a rating of 1.0, but flip3d, taskbar previews and title bar transparency are all working. Still investigating and I will post more details later.

Judas · Apr 4, 2007, 03:40 PM

John, i've nearly the same kind of system, only with a Radeon 9550 in it, and out of the box, while one built by ati 9550 would work and install properly with any vista ati driver, the other which is another brand of 9550, wouldn't get detected at all and refused to install..

course the vista supplied driver worked flawlessly.

cuke2u · Apr 4, 2007, 03:41 PM

Hi, I get the impression that ATI aren't going to 'fix' this issue until the 7.4's come out. I'd need a guarettee from them that the bsod will be fixed as it involves the potential for data loss...
ChrisC

theonlybabyface · Apr 4, 2007, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuke2u

Hi, I get the impression that ATI aren't going to 'fix' this issue until the 7.4's come out. I'd need a guarettee from them that the bsod will be fixed as it involves the potential for data loss...
ChrisC

I agree...

*rhyinem* · Apr 4, 2007, 04:36 PM

You are incorrect Sir. We're trying to get a fix posted on the website ASAP. I don't think it will need to wait until Cat 7.4. It will likely be a hotfix article...

Cheers!

JohnY2 · Apr 4, 2007, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

John, i've nearly the same kind of system, only with a Radeon 9550 in it, and out of the box, while one built by ati 9550 would work and install properly with any vista ati driver, the other which is another brand of 9550, wouldn't get detected at all and refused to install..

course the vista supplied driver worked flawlessly.

When you run 'winsat dwm' at an administrator cmd prompt with the 3rd party Radeon 9550 do you see the error "could not create a D3D device...." ?

This machine almost always BSOD's on boot with any drivers except 8.31.100.321 or 7.14.10.830 even with 'ATi External Event' service disabled.

Appreciate the info, Judas.

JohnY2

theonlybabyface · Apr 4, 2007, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhyinem

You are incorrect Sir. We're trying to get a fix posted on the website ASAP. I don't think it will need to wait until Cat 7.4. It will likely be a hotfix article...

Cheers!

That's great news!!!

Judas · Apr 4, 2007, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnY2

When you run 'winsat dwm' at an administrator cmd prompt with the 3rd party Radeon 9550 do you see the error "could not create a D3D device...." ?

This machine almost always BSOD's on boot with any drivers except 8.31.100.321 or 7.14.10.830 even with 'ATi External Event' service disabled.

Appreciate the info, Judas.

JohnY2

nope.. don't get an error... just the hardware info for the card isn't currently listed in the official catalyst from what i can tell...

Intelman · Apr 4, 2007, 06:01 PM

Are there any suggestions to getting this BSOD fixed? What I don't get, is why I'm getting them after uninstalling 7.3 and reinstalilng 7.2. Microsoft has my dump files, which hopefully get forwarded to ATI.

This is so frustrating, I can be watching a video, or writing a paper and it will just BSOD because of the display driver (thank God that word auto saves).

Judas · Apr 4, 2007, 06:04 PM

Try and uninstall the Microsoft C++ SDK (if it's listed)

JohnY2 · Apr 5, 2007, 03:32 AM

Well, it looks like others have run into the same problem with Via Chipsets and ATi Catalyst drivers. If a particuilar version doesn't BSOD it gives a Windows Experience Index of 1.0, but Aero can still be enabled. Doesn't seem to matter what ATi Card or what Via chipset. Someone else even reported the "D3D device could not be created" error when issuing 'winsat DWM' at a cmd prompt. For more info see:
http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-...nce-index.html

JohnY

Apr 3, 2007, 03:07 PM	#183
cuke2u DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 0	Hi, interestingly I have received this reply from ATI today @ 19.19: " [COLOR=black]This issue has been reported by some end users, the current workaround is to install the Catalyst 7.2 drivers and wait for the Catalyst 7.4 drivers later this month."[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]ChrisC[/COLOR] __________________ Asus P5B Premuim Vista Edition Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 Crucial Anniversary (2x1gb) 2x Samsung 3200g ATI X1900XT-X

Apr 3, 2007, 04:53 PM	#186
JohnY2 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	I have done some more testing: AK38n Shuttle Via KT333ce Athlon XP 2000+ 1.5GB Corsair WD120 HD onboard audio onboard via rhine II A97p Fic 9700pro AGP 128mb ATI External event disabled in services no CCC installed 7.14.10.830 RTM OK aero glass enabled WEI 2.9 7.14.10.833 BSOD 0x000116 8.333.0.0 BSOD 0x000116 8.342.0.0 BSOD 0x000116 8.351.0.0 BSOD 0x000116 Only the original Vista RTM shipping driver works. All the ones that BSOD'ed I booted twice to see if they would come up the second time, but none did. I also tested with various bios settings that effect video with no effect on the BSOD's : PnP OS on/off UC vs UCWC shadow vs no shadow 1/2 T command rate etc, etc the CUV4X-DLS w/ via Apollo 694X and 2 x 1G PIII and 1GB ram A97p Fic 9700pro as above The machine mirrors the BSOD's in the above list except 7.14.10.830 RTM does not enable Aero Glass and only gives a WEI of 1.0 JohnY2 I hope this is useful Last edited by JohnY2; Apr 3, 2007 at 05:07 PM. Reason: additional info

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cuke2u DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 0	Hi, I get the impression that ATI aren't going to 'fix' this issue until the 7.4's come out. I'd need a guarettee from them that the bsod will be fixed as it involves the potential for data loss... ChrisC __________________ Asus P5B Premuim Vista Edition Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 Crucial Anniversary (2x1gb) 2x Samsung 3200g ATI X1900XT-X

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rhyinem AMD Staff Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: toronto Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	You are incorrect Sir. We're trying to get a fix posted on the website ASAP. I don't think it will need to wait until Cat 7.4. It will likely be a hotfix article... Cheers! __________________ I see dead pixels.

Apr 3, 2007, 02:42 PM	#182
JerCal DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	I too am having the same issue with the 7.3 driver under Vista Ultimate 32 bit. Everything is fine once I revert back to the 7.2 driver. I have the PCI Express X1950 Pro and the Samsung SyncMaster 915N LCD connected using a DVI to VGA converter. Devices that I have connected using USB are: Canon 5200F Scanner HP Laserjet 1012 Printer X-Arcade Joystick Logitech Dual Action Gamepad Logitech G7 Cordless Laser Mouse using Windows driver iPod dock

Apr 3, 2007, 10:13 PM	#190
Intelman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Not always Judas, I've had this set bluescreen on me even with that service delayed. If you read back and look, you'll see the exact error code.

Apr 4, 2007, 07:37 AM	#191
drummerh DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	I 've just checked reloading the 7.3 drivers without my ir receiver plugged in and it still goes belly up, in case anyone thinks that might sort it.

Apr 4, 2007, 10:44 AM	#194
Sifozais DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I have problems with Catalyst 7.3 too. I haven't read about this problem and tried to work around my self. I runned "Use the most recent settings that worked" and was able to get in Vista in normal mode. Then i uninstalled the CCC and display driver seperattely (because in unisnstall options showed only CCC uninstall option). Then tried to install 7.3 again. But I was encountered a problem that install wasn't successiful, because setup shows error " Driver install: the INF file was not found", and after rebooting system, the games and Aero runs fine, but i can't open the CCC at all, and strange, that after right mouse click, there is showing CCC option, but in taskbar there are no CCC icon at all, however I'm no able to run CCC, after clicking on it firstly using right mouse click, nothing happens at all except on some seconds is showing Vista's blue circle. Is there any way how to reinstall driver, and make after it a successiful CCC installation? My system: Vista Ultimate 64, Core 2 Duo E6600, Gigabyte DS4 mobo, 2Gb Ram, ATI X1900GT, WD 320Gb HDD, Creative X-fi extreme music.

Apr 4, 2007, 03:21 PM	#198
Intelman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Man, I reverted back to 7.2, and I am still getting the 0x00000a BSOD. Each time, Windows Error report reports the issue, and says it is caused by the ATI graphics driver. Well before it said graphics driver, but now it does indeed say ATI. I've uninstalled everything, deleted ATI directories rebooted. Then I installed 7.2 and installed those and rebooted.

Apr 4, 2007, 03:36 PM	#200
JohnY2 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Got Aeroglass running on my CUV4X-DLS (Dual 1.0G PIII's, 1GB mem Via Apollo Pro 694X (think KT133A for duals)) with the 8.31.100.321 driver and some registry flailing. Winsat still gives a rating of 1.0, but flip3d, taskbar previews and title bar transparency are all working. Still investigating and I will post more details later.

Apr 4, 2007, 06:01 PM	#208
Intelman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Are there any suggestions to getting this BSOD fixed? What I don't get, is why I'm getting them after uninstalling 7.3 and reinstalilng 7.2. Microsoft has my dump files, which hopefully get forwarded to ATI. This is so frustrating, I can be watching a video, or writing a paper and it will just BSOD because of the display driver (thank God that word auto saves).

Apr 5, 2007, 03:32 AM	#210
JohnY2 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Well, it looks like others have run into the same problem with Via Chipsets and ATi Catalyst drivers. If a particuilar version doesn't BSOD it gives a Windows Experience Index of 1.0, but Aero can still be enabled. Doesn't seem to matter what ATi Card or what Via chipset. Someone else even reported the "D3D device could not be created" error when issuing 'winsat DWM' at a cmd prompt. For more info see: http://www.vista64.net/forums/vista-...nce-index.html JohnY

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