Logic + Midiyoke: Possible Workaround

dj_stick

I'm not sure that there are many logic users left that still use kX, but i'll post my idea here anyway.
As discovered by LeMury and myself, Logic does not like working with MIDIYOKE. For some reason it causes midi loops continously. If you plan to use a program like ReBirth, or even the kX DSP synths with a sequencer, using MIDIYOKE is the only solution in software,but ala, logic will not work with it.

My idea of the workaround is to use a hardware connection. This requires you to either have two kX cards with the AD_EXT or AUD_EXT header, or a card that has one of those headers AND the gameport header. I haven't tested this yet however, but when i do i will post my results

Connecting the midi out of one of these headers to the midi in of the other, and vice versa (for multiple applications), and then setting the proper UART for the midi out of logic, and the midi in for the slave application should provide a workable solution to this problem. Connecting the In and Out of the same UART may cause the same problem as MIDIYOKE, but as i haven't tested this a cannot confirm if this is the case

Other options:
Some motherboards also come with the gameport header, so you need to check the documentation for the pinout of the header. Also if you have any other MIDI ports on your machine that are unused, you should be able to use these ports as well.

When i test this idea, i will post my results here.

Toadly_Ossum

dj_stick,

Acutally logic 5.5.1 works fine with midiyoke. to get rid of the midi feedback loop you have to edit the Win.ini file, look for the Logic section. There you can enable and disable the midiyoke ports that logic attempts to use. Make sure that you dont have any of the same ports enabled for input/output.

see here http://www.midiox.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB....num=1001575186


Toad

Maddogg6

BTW - theres a Virtual midi router from Sony also... I seen it at sonys site and its free.

Lex Nahumury

Yes, but does this really work?
For example, can you use one of the kX DSP Instruments in Logic?
Last time I/we tried (been a while tho), editing win.ini didn't solve the problem.
IIRC midiyoke disapeared from Logic after editing win.ini.

/LeMury

Lex Nahumury

"To download the Virtual MIDI Router, enter your ACID, Vegas, or Sound Forge serial number below. "

I guess that means..not free. (bummer)

Maddogg6

oops, well, free if you own one of them.. but yes, bummer.

miguel

It has always worked for me at least. You just have to set to 0 (zero) any inputs you want to use as outputs from logic and viceversa, for all (looped like midi yoke's) ports even if you don't plan to actually use them. The hardware midi connection works more reliably though, that's what I use.

And don't forget to disable "auto sync in" in logic, thats why you're having midi loops in the first place. Logic sends Midi Clock to all ports by default and will receive it on the inputs and try to sync to itself. Disabling the midi clock to all ports helps a lot too, it's a resource drainer if you have that many ports (as with midi yoke).

Anyway it should work. Logic 5 is still great, btw.

Toadly_Ossum

Yes it works great for me, consider that i dont use Logic for recording at all. I use Logic for its great sounding instruments in my live rig setup, i also use logics instruments routed into Cubase SX2 for recording those instruments there. I can route midi track from Cubase via midiyoke into Logic and then route the audio from Logic back into Cubase.

Toad

Lex Nahumury

Miguel, Toad,

Hmm,..Ok, but I noticed neither one of you mentioned if you got any of the kX DSP Instrument
to work with Logic+MidiYoke???

I'm not a Logic user myself and don't have it installed (just installed it once for testing),
so I'm curious what dj has to say regarding this matter.

/LeMury

thomasabarnes

miguel:

Hey man!!! Good to see you. Where you been? You bought a pro-summer sound card or something, and dont use kX any more? Anyway, good to see you.

Sorry for the OT post.

Toadly_Ossum

Im running 3538i so I dont think there are any DSP instruments that i can run yet. But if the DSP Instruments can accept midi input from midiyoke AND their audio can be routed via FXBus then id say it would work just fine.

Toad

Lex Nahumury

Ok then it should work. Then I remain curious to what dj has to say about all this.
Thanks.

/LeMury

dj_stick

Hi LeMury - i haven't had the chance to test this yet, with preperation for final exams and a new machine and all - but i'll give it a try soon i hope