Uart -> kxCtrl without asking for it?

Cheiz · Jan 6, 2005, 09:44 PM

Hi,

I have a problem with the kX Automation. Somehow it seems to get information from my UART in while i didn't route any midi in to the kxCtrl midi-out! Yes, i did it sometimes with MIDIMON and Hubi's soft midi cable. But i closed down those programs and restarted my computer, and still it happens(those programs are not loaded onstartup, im sure). I have an Evolution UC-16 connected to my gameport(UART) to use automation. How is this possible? Can it be that a bug in MIDIMON or Hubi caused the in and out to be permanently connected, even after a reboot?

And also what is the kxCtrl midi IN for? Just for echoing the input of thee kxCtrl OUT? When i start Midimon and i monitor kxCtrl IN i notice that it shows the messages imsending with my UC-16 (probably because somehow its connected to the kxctrl out and the kxctrl echos the kxctrl out)

-Cheiz

Cheiz · Jan 6, 2005, 10:08 PM

I uninstalled KX in device manager(all midi ports were gone), reinstalled, resetted settings but still the problem is there. Also when the kx mIXer is not loaded the input from my uart goes to the control output(i can see by monitoring the kxCtrl input). Also i see that when i send messages to the kxctrl via anohter midi-in it wont echo it on the kxctrl in(so it doesnt process it?). Very weird....

-Cheiz

edit: OK now im completely confused. When i use hubi to route another in device(my clavinova via serial port) to the control i DO see that the fadesr are changing when i send messages, both the clavinova(serial) and the UC-16(uart) change the fader now. Only, when i monitor the kxCtrl MIDI IN with MIDIMON at the same time, i see that it only sends the messages from the UC-16. Can somebody please explain: WHAT does the kxCtrl midi IN do?!?!?! I'm so confused i really have to sleep now. Bye!

PITmaster · Jan 7, 2005, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheiz

Hi,

I have a problem with the kX Automation. Somehow it seems to get information from my UART in while i didn't route any midi in to the kxCtrl midi-out!
-Cheiz

Yes, I noticed the same problem. BTW, I never thought the routing from UART to CONTROL is required to use kX Automation, in fact. I've got it after conversation with Lemury about my problems with NoteOn Type2 (flip-flop) inside MX6.

That's fact, with mentioned routing (in Cubase or other sequencer) Type2 works fine now but... with some big delay!

I'm still very interested in complete information about kX Automation.

PITmaster

Cheiz · Jan 8, 2005, 07:05 AM

I want to know... does this happen to everyone or just to us? Is it a bug, or a feature, and is it the driver's bug, or a XP bug, or whatever?

I'll guess the solution for now is to not use controller numbers in the automation which can be sent by other midi-in devices (like note on, cc91+cc93) so playing on my clavinova won't affect automation. But this is not a real solution and' i'd like to have a better one.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 11, 2005, 03:33 PM

this is not a 'bug', but a 'feature' -- any MIDI Uart stream is routed to kX Control
(this is necessary in order to track RemoteIr effects etc...)

so, either use kX VSTi for automation, or assign different midi controllers that do not interfere with your software/hardware

E.

Cheiz · Jan 11, 2005, 06:54 PM

Ok, that's no problem. But what about kX automation using all midi ins automatically? I'd rather connect midi ins to outs myself using MIDI-ox, so i can translate messages etc.

TravelRec. · Jan 12, 2005, 02:34 AM

Interesting fact!
So, Eugene, I would like to ask: is it possible to have fully control over the midi input stream routing in newer driver versions (via a checkbox in the kXMixer???)?

Greetings!
TravelRec.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:28 PM

>> full control:

perhaps. but this will probably kill remoteire functionality

E.

Lex Nahumury · Feb 9, 2005, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Gavrilov

>> full control:
perhaps. but this will probably kill remoteire functionality
E.

I'm sure most musicians won't mind loosing remote over this.

/LeMury

**dj_stick** · Feb 9, 2005, 02:35 AM

especially those with out a platinum model card, with no remote

ReWired · May 10, 2006, 01:49 PM

I want to bump this thead a little, because the problem is interesting.
So, what about a simple drop-down list with all avaliable MIDI INs to choose one for controlling kX automation?
Thus way we will never actually need an external software to make a bridge between MIDI INs (other than UART) and kX Automation.

TravelRec. · May 13, 2006, 12:35 PM

Yes, good idea indeed!

Jan 6, 2005, 09:44 PM	#1
Cheiz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Uart -> kxCtrl without asking for it? Hi, I have a problem with the kX Automation. Somehow it seems to get information from my UART in while i didn't route any midi in to the kxCtrl midi-out! Yes, i did it sometimes with MIDIMON and Hubi's soft midi cable. But i closed down those programs and restarted my computer, and still it happens(those programs are not loaded onstartup, im sure). I have an Evolution UC-16 connected to my gameport(UART) to use automation. How is this possible? Can it be that a bug in MIDIMON or Hubi caused the in and out to be permanently connected, even after a reboot? And also what is the kxCtrl midi IN for? Just for echoing the input of thee kxCtrl OUT? When i start Midimon and i monitor kxCtrl IN i notice that it shows the messages imsending with my UC-16 (probably because somehow its connected to the kxctrl out and the kxctrl echos the kxctrl out) -Cheiz

Jan 6, 2005, 10:08 PM	#2
Cheiz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I uninstalled KX in device manager(all midi ports were gone), reinstalled, resetted settings but still the problem is there. Also when the kx mIXer is not loaded the input from my uart goes to the control output(i can see by monitoring the kxCtrl input). Also i see that when i send messages to the kxctrl via anohter midi-in it wont echo it on the kxctrl in(so it doesnt process it?). Very weird.... -Cheiz edit: OK now im completely confused. When i use hubi to route another in device(my clavinova via serial port) to the control i DO see that the fadesr are changing when i send messages, both the clavinova(serial) and the UC-16(uart) change the fader now. Only, when i monitor the kxCtrl MIDI IN with MIDIMON at the same time, i see that it only sends the messages from the UC-16. Can somebody please explain: WHAT does the kxCtrl midi IN do?!?!?! I'm so confused i really have to sleep now. Bye! Last edited by Cheiz; Jan 6, 2005 at 10:19 PM.

Jan 12, 2005, 02:34 AM	#7
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,704 Rep Power: 42	Interesting fact! So, Eugene, I would like to ask: is it possible to have fully control over the midi input stream routing in newer driver versions (via a checkbox in the kXMixer???)? Greetings! TravelRec. __________________ Always take a look behind.

May 13, 2006, 12:35 PM	#12
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,704 Rep Power: 42	Yes, good idea indeed! __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jan 8, 2005, 07:05 AM	#4
Cheiz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I want to know... does this happen to everyone or just to us? Is it a bug, or a feature, and is it the driver's bug, or a XP bug, or whatever? I'll guess the solution for now is to not use controller numbers in the automation which can be sent by other midi-in devices (like note on, cc91+cc93) so playing on my clavinova won't affect automation. But this is not a real solution and' i'd like to have a better one.

Jan 11, 2005, 03:33 PM	#5
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,037 Rep Power: 56	this is not a 'bug', but a 'feature' -- any MIDI Uart stream is routed to kX Control (this is necessary in order to track RemoteIr effects etc...) so, either use kX VSTi for automation, or assign different midi controllers that do not interfere with your software/hardware E.

Jan 11, 2005, 06:54 PM	#6
Cheiz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Ok, that's no problem. But what about kX automation using all midi ins automatically? I'd rather connect midi ins to outs myself using MIDI-ox, so i can translate messages etc.

Feb 8, 2005, 10:28 PM	#8
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,037 Rep Power: 56	>> full control: perhaps. but this will probably kill remoteire functionality E.

May 10, 2006, 01:49 PM	#11
ReWired DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 95 Rep Power: 0	I want to bump this thead a little, because the problem is interesting. So, what about a simple drop-down list with all avaliable MIDI INs to choose one for controlling kX automation? Thus way we will never actually need an external software to make a bridge between MIDI INs (other than UART) and kX Automation.