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audigy2 zx platinum pro
Í*øåë ýòîò ïîñò â ïðîöåññå ïîèñê* è*ôîðì*öèè î Audigy2 zx platinum pro, ò.ê. äóì*þ âçÿòü åå â ê*÷åñòâå äîì*ø*åé *óäèîê*ðòî÷êè.
 ïðîñìîòðå**îé ì*îé è*ôîðì*öèè åñòü ïðîòèâîðå÷èå: â ðåêîìå*ä*öèè äëÿ èçìåðå*èé îò è*æå*åðîâ Creative ( http://audio.rightmark.org/downloads...or-rmaa5.1.zip ) åñòü ò*êîé ïó*êò: In this section, we will guide you through setting up your Sound Blaster® Audigy™ 2 ZS, Audigy 2 ZS Platinum or Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro for RMAA measurement in Real-time 24-bit/96kHz Playback and Recording using the Analog Inputs and Outputs. Comparison charts for the 16-bit/48kHz and 16-bit/44.1kHz results are also included. These Analog I/O tests prove that superb quality analog audio inputs and outputs are achieved from very high quality DAC, ADC and board design. N.B. When testing Sound Blaster® Audigy™ 2 ZS Platinum and Platinum Pro For accurate RMAA testing results of the Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro it is essential that ONLY Line-In 3 be used. Due to the testing methodology of RMAA, i.e. the loop-back method, a ground-loop is created (caused by the fact that Line-In 1 & 2 in the External I/O Module share the same Ground as the Line-Out on the card), which artificially distorts the RMAA results negatively. Due to this we have specifically isolated the Ground for Line-In 3 (The RCA inputs at the back of the I/O Module) and have included a Mini-Jack to RCA converter cable to facilitate your tests. Line-In 3 was chosen because of its simplicity to isolate and also to avoid having to use a 3.5mm to 6mm converter jack (which adds noise to the signal due to the connection between the jack and the converter socket). It is very important to understand that this loop-back setup is never used under normal recording methods. Therefore the results gleaned from Line-In 1 & 2 are not real (as under normal use a ground-loop is never created). That is to say that the recording/playback quality of all inputs/outputs under normal usage are the same and according to Line-In 3. Sound Blaster® Audigy™ 2 ZS Platinum is affected in the same way. However due to the fact that it does not have a Line-In 3 connector the back panel Line-out to Line-In connectors (on the card itself) should be used. For those wishing to test the audio quality of all the inputs and to avoid the ground-loop issues then a two-card test methodology should be implemented. This method of testing utilizes a second card as the “Control” card. However it should be noted that only very high quality cards should be used for this methodology (known as “reference” cards) else the results will be tainted by the poor quality DACs/ADCs used on the “control” card. Âêð*òöå, â ïåðåâîäå ** ðóññêèé ÿçûê (ÿ *å î÷å*ü õîðîøî ç**þ **ãëèéñêèé, åñëè *å ïð*â- ïîïð*âüòå) ýòî îç**÷*åò, ÷òî äëÿ èçìåðå*èé ñ ïîìîùüþ ìåòîä* Analog LoopBack, êîãä* ëè*åé*ûé âûõîä ê*ðòû ñîåäè*ÿåòñÿ ñ ëè*åé*ûì âõîäîì ýòîé æå ê*ðòû, ** Audigy2 zs pro, ïðèãîäå* òîëüêî Line3, ò.ê. â ñëó÷*å èñïîëüçîâ**èÿ Line 1 èëè 2 âîç*èê*åò ïåòëÿ ïî çåìëå, âåäóù*ÿ ê äîïîë*èòåëü*ûì èñê*æå*èÿì (**âîäê*ì). Âñå ãð*ìîò*î, ê*ê *óäèî è*æå*åð ïîë*îñòüþ ñîãë*ñå*, ò*êîå ìîæåò áûòü. Îä**êî, â ò*êèõ ñëó÷*ÿõ ** ñîåäè*èòåëü*ûõ ø*óð*õ "îòðûâ*þò" çåìëþ ** îä*îì èç êî*öîâ ïðîâîä*. Ïî÷åìó òî è*æå*åðû èç Creative îá ýòîì *å ïèøóò. Õîòÿ ïèøóò î òîì, ÷òî äëÿ òåñòèðîâ**èÿ ýòèõ âõîäîâ *óæ*î èñïîëüçîâ*òü âòîðóþ çâóêîâóõó, ÷òî â ïðè*öèïå ïð*âèëü*î, ò.ê. òîëüêî ç*âåäîìî áîëåå ê*÷åñòâå***ÿ çâóêîâ*ÿ ïë*ò*, ïîçâîëÿåò îöå*èòü ð*çäåëü*î ê*÷åñòâî âõîäîâ\âûõîäîâ (ïðè LoopBack, ìû ïîëó÷*åì ñóìì*ð**þ õ*ð*êòåððèñòèêó âõîä\âûõîä) Ä*ëåå ñìîòðèì ðåçóëüò*òû òåñòîâ ** http://www.ixbt.com/multimedia/creat...digy2-zs.shtml , ãäå äëÿ òåñòèðîâ**èÿ èñïîëüçóåòñÿ ïðîô. çâóê. ê*ðò* Lynx Two. Ê ñîæ*ëå*èþ, ò*ì îòñóòñòâóåò òåñòèðîâ**èå ëè*åé*ûõ âõîäîâ, *î ç*òî ïèøåòñÿ, ÷òî DriveBox ** audigy2 zx ïîë*îñòüþ èäå*òè÷å* ** audigy2 platinum ex, ïîñåìó îòïð*âèìñÿ ** http://www.ixbt.com/multimedia/creat...inum-ex.shtml. À**ëèçèðóþ ýòè ðåçóëüò*òû, âèä*î, ÷òî line1&2 óñòóï*þò ïî ê*÷åñòâå**ûì õ*ð*êòåðèñòèê*ì line3. Ïðè ýòîì ** âñåõ òðåõ âõîä*õ ñòîÿò îäè**êîâûå DAC. Í* ãð*ôèê*õ http://www.ixbt.com/multimedia/creat...2496-in.shtml, âèäå* *åïî*ÿò*ûé ãîðá øóìîâ ñ öå*òðîì â ð*é*å 1 êÃö, èç ç* ýòîãî *ðòåô*êò* è óõóäø*þòñÿ ïîê*ç*òåëè ** line 1&1.  ÷åì ìîæåò áûòü ïðè÷è**? Íå îç**÷*åò ëè ýòî *åóä*÷*óþ ð*çâîäêó ** DriveBox? Ñ óâ*æå*èåì, marth/ |
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Jan 9, 2004, 11:15 AM
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> Íå îç**÷*åò ëè ýòî *åóä*÷*óþ ð*çâîäêó ** DriveBox?
Îõîõî (âçäûõ*ÿ), ÿ áû îòâåòèë ò*ê: "*åóä*÷**ÿ ð*çâîäê* DriveBox (åñëè ò*êîâ*ÿ èìååò ìåñòî) *å ñ*ì*ÿ áîëüø*ÿ èç ïðîáëåì ïðèñóòñâóþùèõ ** ýòîé ñåðèè çâóêîâûõ ê*ðò (*ó ñê*æåì AudigyX), è ä*æå *å â ïåðâîì äåñÿòêå." |
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Jan 9, 2004, 02:34 PM
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Ñåãîä*ÿ *å âûäåðæ*ë ì*ðêåòè*ãîâîãî **ïîð* è êóïèë ýòó ê*ðòó (audigy2 zs platinum pro)
 Äåâ*éñ ì*å â öåëîì ñèìï*òè÷å*, îä**êî âî ì*îãîì *óæ*î ð*çîáð*òüñÿ. Ïîê* ìîãó ñê*ç*òü, ÷òî ñ ð*çâîäêîé â DriveBox âñå *îðì*ëü*î, äåéñòâèòåëü*î ïðè÷è** ïëîõèõ ðåçóëüò*òîâ òåñòîâ â âîç*èê*þùåé ïåòëå ïî çåìëå (òîëüêî *å ïî*ÿò*î, ê*ê òîâ*ðèùè ** ixbt ìåðÿëè c ïîìîùüþ Lynx Two, * ðåçóëüò*òû ó *èõ ò*êèå æå,ê*ê ñ LoopBack). Ïîê* áîëüøå âñåãî ïîð*äîâ*ëî, ò*ê ýòî ê*÷åñòâî îöèôðîâêè. Âðîäå ÀÖÏ ò*ì âïîë*å ïðèëè÷*ûå. ×òî áîëüøå âñåãî îãîð÷èëî, ò*ê ýòî îòñóòñòâèå ïîääåðæêè DriveBox kx äð*éâåð*ìè  , * âåäü ó ìå*ÿ ïîñëåä*èì äîâîäîì â ïîëüçó ïîêóïêè ýòîé ê*ðòû áûëè èìå*î ïîääåðæê* KX (ô*éë Readme èç êîìïëåêò* kx ÿ ïîñìîòðåë *å î÷å*ü â*èì*òåëü*î, ò*ì ê*ðò platinum ex è platinum pro *åòó). Åñòü ø**ñû, ÷òî â áóäóùèõ âåðñèÿõ î** áóäåò?Åùå ïîõîæå, ÷òî äðîâ* kx *å î÷å*ü äðóæ*ò ñ äðîâ*ìè zs (ó ìå*ÿ â êîìïå æèâåò åùå ñò*ðûé Live!), âîç*èê*þò êî*ôëèêòû.  ðåçóëüò*òå ïðèùëîñü âîîáùå kx óä*ëèòü ñ êîìï*. Ïîê* âïå÷*òëå*èÿ äîâîëü*î ñóìáóð*ûå, åñëè áóäåò êîìó è*òåðåñ*î, **ïèøó ïîäðîá*åå ïîçæå. Åñòü çäåñü îáë*ä*òåëè ñ*áæ*, êðîìå ìå*ÿ? ê ð*çð*áîò÷èê*ì: âû âðîäå Ïèòåðñêèå, ê*ê è ÿ. Åñëè *óæ*î, ìîã áû ïðåäîñò*âèòü *å**äîëãî ñâîé ýêçåìïëÿð äëÿ ýêñïåðèìå*òîâ è ïèâî Ïî ñóáúêòèâ*îé îöå*êå (** Sennheiser 600) çâó÷èò ðå*ëü*î ê*÷åñòâå*åå Live!, çâóê ñò*ë, ê*ê áû ýòî ñê*ç*òü... áîëåå âûïóêëûì |
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Jan 9, 2004, 07:28 PM
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>> Åñòü ø**ñû, ÷òî â áóäóùèõ âåðñèÿõ î** áóäåò?
* ÷òî èìå**î *å ð*áîò*åò?.. ó **ñ, â ïðè*öèïå, *åò PCI id ê*ðòû (ïèøåòñÿ ìèêøåðîì), âîçìîæ*î, *åñêîëüêî ïî-äðóãîìó **äî è*èöè*ëèçèðîâ*òü **ðóæ*ûé áëîê (äëÿ ýòîãî, ñêîðåå, ïðèä¸òñÿ êîï*òüñÿ â =èõ= äð*éâåð*õ)... *î îñò*ëü*îå äîëæ*î "áåã*òü" (áîëåå èëè ìå*åå) >> Åñëè *óæ*î, ìîã áû ïðåäîñò*âèòü *å**äîëãî ñâîé ýêçåìïëÿð äëÿ ýêñïåðèìå*òîâ è ïèâî * ïèâî - òîæå "ïðåäîñò*âèòü *å**äîëãî"? èëè "â ñ÷¸ò ýêñïåðèìå*òîâ"? (* òî âäðóã ìû ýòîò ñ*ìûé áëîê ñï*ëèì â ïîðûâå äåâåëîïìå*ò*?)  /Å |
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Jan 10, 2004, 06:35 PM
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>>* ÷òî èìå**î *å ð*áîò*åò?..
Âîîáùå ä* ð*áîò*åò, *î *å ñîâñåì ïð*âèëü*î: C AC97-1, ïðè îòêëþ÷å**ûõ âñåõ âõîä*õ èäåò øóì ** óðîâ*å -66äÁ C ëè*åé*ûõ âõîäîâ ** DriveBox èäåò øóì ** óðîâ*å -48äÁ. Ñîîòâåòñòâèå âõîä*ì ** ìèêøåð*õ ñëåäóþùåå: line3=aux2 line2\mic=line2 line1=ac97-2. Ñ ðåæèìîì 24/96 âèäèìî òî-æå *å âñå ë*ä*î, ** ñïåêòðîãðìå ÷*ñòîòû âûøå 20 êÃö ðåæóòñÿ (ñìîòðåë RightMark-îì, âõîä/âûõîä SPDIF, 96êÃö ** ìèêøåðå ñò*âèë). Í* 16/48 ïåðåä*÷è áèò â áèò, ò*ê æå *å äîáèëñÿ. Ò*êèå âîò äåë*. À ê*ðòî÷ê* õîðîø*ÿ, ** ëè*åé*ûõ âõîä*õ (ñ ðîä*ûìè äðîâ*ìè) ðå*ëü*ûé äè**ì. 106 äÁ è çâó÷èò õîðîøî .>>* ïèâî - òîæå "ïðåäîñò*âèòü *å**äîëãî"? èëè "â ñ÷¸ò ýêñïåðèìå*òîâ"? (* >>òî âäðóã ìû ýòîò ñ*ìûé áëîê ñï*ëèì â ïîðûâå äåâåëîïìå*ò*?) Ïèâî îñò*âëþ , * **ñ÷åò ñï*ëèòü, åñëè â ïîðûâå "äåâåëîïìå*ò*" ** ê*ðòó 220 ïîä*â*òü *åáóäåòå, òî äóì*þ âñå áóäåò â ïîðÿäêå.Ïðè è*ñò*ëÿöèè ê*ðò* îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ ê*ê kx generic. CI\VEN_1102DEV_0004SUBSYS_20011 ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Èìÿ äð*éâåð*:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Ä*ò* äð*éâåð*: Nov 20 2003 22:56:11 Âåðñèÿ äð*éâåð*: 5.10.00.3536 - debug Èìÿ äî÷åð*åé ê*ðòû:Aud2ELiveBay kX Generic [c800] PCI Information: Device: 41102 Subsys: 20011102 ChipRev: 4 Àóäèîê*ðò* 10k2 Card has MPU device Ìîäåëü *óäèî ê*ðòû 5.1 Card is Audigy2-compatible Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6940] : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings- Port: c800 Irq: 0x5(5) Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 4 Tank memory: 256 kb GSIF buffer: 256 samples OS version: [2 5 1 Service Pack 1, v.1081; 2 5 1 Service Pack 1, v.1081; 156 148] ---------------------------------------------------- |
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Jan 10, 2004, 06:43 PM
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Ïîê* *è÷åãî êðèìè**ëü*îãî *å ç*ìåòèë, ç* èñêëþ÷å*èåì òîãî, ÷òî ïîõîæå ** åå âûõîäå âñåãä* ïðèñóòñòâóåò Dither 16 áèò*ûé. |
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Jan 10, 2004, 07:24 PM
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óóóó.... ýòî **äî ïèñ*òü äëè**þùóþ ñò*òüþ... ýòî ç*ä*÷ê* äëÿ ê*êîãî-*èáóäü èêñáèò*...
Ä* âñå (ê*ê îáû÷*î) ç*âèñèò îò òîãî äëÿ ÷åãî èìå**î ñîáñòâå**î ýòî äåëî ïîêóï*ëîñü... Òî åñòü ïî ê*êèì-òî êî*êðåò*ûì ñëó÷*ÿì ìîæ*î ñê*ç*òü âîò ýòî ó *åå ò*ê * òî ýä*ê.. À è**÷å ïðèäåòñÿ **ì îòêðûâ*òü êî*ñ*ëòè*ãîâûé îòäåë ïî çâóêîâûì ê*ðò*ì, *êóñòè÷åñêèì ñèòåì*ì è ò.ä. >** åå âûõîäå âñåãä* ïðèñóòñòâóåò Dither 16 áèò*ûé. Ä* *å, åñëè *è÷åãî ëèø*åãî *å âêëþ÷*òü (*èê*êèõ ýôôåêòîâ, *å òðîã*òü òåìáð, ê*ëèáð*öèþ, cmss è ïðî÷åå) òî ó *åå *îðì*ëü*îå ÷åñò*îå 24/96 è *èê*êîãî dithering'a ** âûõîäå *å ñòîèò... ïî-èäåå... >Dither 16 áèò*ûé. À ** îñ*îâå ÷åãî ò*êîé âûâîä? (â ïðè*öèïå ýòî _**ïðèìåð_ ðåâåð ìîæåò ïðîñòî øóìåòü - ò*ì ê*ê-ð*ç ãäå-òî 80..100dB øóì - î÷å*ü ïîõîæå ** dithering âûãëÿäèò, ä* ì*îãî âñÿêèõ â*ðè**òîâ)... Ò*ê ** îñ*îâå ÷åãî? |
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Èëè ýòî øóìû âûõîä*îãî ê*ñê*ä* ê*ðòû. Ïî SpectraLab RMSPower ~87äÁ â ïîëîñå 20-40000 Ãö (ìåðÿëñÿ ÷åðåç LineIn DriveBox, ó *åãî øóì ** âõîäå ïðè òåõ æå óñëîâèÿõ -103äÁ).  ïðè*öèïå òðóä*î äîáèòüñÿ ** â*óòðå*åì çâóêîâîì óñòðîéñòâå êîìïüþòåð* î÷å*ü *èçêîãî óðîâ*ÿ øóì* (ì*îãî **âîäîê, â òîì ÷èñëå ïî ïèò**èþ). |
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Jan 11, 2004, 02:27 PM
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>ñ ÷åãî åìó øóìåòü, î* æå *å ***ëîãîâûé
*ó öèôð* òîæå *âòîì*òîì *å îç**÷*åò "øóì* *å áóäåò" åñòü ò*ê*ÿ ïðîáëåì* ñ ýôôåêò ïðîöåññîð*ìè ** ýòèõ ê*ðò*õ - "*åøóìÿùèé" ðåâåð â ïðè*öèïå *å ñäåë*òü (åñëè òîëüêî òóïî *å ïîñò*âèòü ãåéò ** âûõîäå - ÷òî ïî*ÿò*î áûëî áû òóïî) È ó **ñ ðåâåð* øóìÿò, è ó êðå*òèâ* è ó emu. Íó ä* *å ñóòü. >Èëè ýòî øóìû âûõîä*îãî ê*ñê*ä* ê*ðòû. Ïî SpectraLab RMSPower ~87äÁ 87 - **âåð*ÿê* âûõîä*îé ê*ñê*ä. >ó *åãî øóì ** âõîäå ïðè òåõ æå óñëîâèÿõ -103äÁ Ýòî åñëè ê*ê ìåðÿòü? Ä*, * ê*êîé âûõîä-òî êñò*òè? åñëè "ôðî*ò" òî ò*ìâñå òîò æå ïðåñëîâóòûé ac97 (çâóê ÷åðåç *åãî *å èäåò - *î ê âûõîäó î* âñå-îä*î ïîäêëþ÷å* - ñ *åãî è **ñ*ñûâ*åò *åáîñü áîëüøå âñåãî) - âîò â ïåðâîé ñåðèè A2 Pl.Ex *å áûëî ac97 - * ïîòîì î*è è òóä* åãî ïðèøï**äîðèëè è ** âñå ZS òîæå ïî-õîäó... (ïë*òèøü, ïë*òèøü äå*üãè - * â èòîãå ïîëó÷*åøü âñå-òîò-æå ac97 ;) Last edited by Max M.; Jan 11, 2004 at 02:38 PM. |
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Jan 11, 2004, 03:38 PM
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>È ó **ñ ðåâåð* øóìÿò, è ó êðå*òèâ* è ó emu. Íó ä* *å ñóòü.
Äûê åñëè óðîâå*ü âûõîä* ñ ðåâåð* ïîñò*âèòü ** ìè*èìóì (â ðîä*ûõ äðîâ*õ ïîëîæå*èå Inf, ÷åãî âñå ð*â*î áóäåòü øóìåòü? ×åãî ÿ ýòîãî *å ïî*èì*þ. >87 - **âåð*ÿê* âûõîä*îé ê*ñê*ä. Ýòî ïî÷åìó? >Ýòî åñëè ê*ê ìåðÿòü? Í* âõîä *è÷åãî *å ïîä*åòñÿ. Automute ïðè ýòîì *å ñð*á*òûâ*åò, (âèä*û **âîäêè îò ñåòè). >Ä*, * ê*êîé âûõîä-òî êñò*òè? Í* âñåõ âûõîä*õ îäè**êîâî. >(ïë*òèøü, ïë*òèøü äå*üãè - * â èòîãå ïîëó÷*åøü âñå-òîò-æå ac97 Íå ð*ñòð*èâ*é è ò*ê *åðâ*è÷*þ . Íå ïî*èì*þ, ê*ê î*è óâåëè÷èëè îò*îøå*èå ñèã**ë/øóì ñ 106 ** 108, åñëè ä*æå âçâåøå**ûé ñ ïîìîùüþ êðèâîé A øóì ** âûõîäå âåñèò 97äÁ. È â òåñò*õ, êîòîðûé ïðèñë*ëè è*æå*åðû Creative ** audio.rightmark.org îò*îøå*èå ñèã**ë/øóì 97äÁ. Ãäå ïð*âä*? Åùå è ** òåëåôî**îì óñèëèòèëå ïîõîæå ñòîèò êîäåê 16/48. Í* ñïåêòðîãð*ììå åãî âûõîä* ÷*ñòîòû âûøå 22êÃö ðåçêî ðåæóòñÿ. Ìîæåò ýòî ïðîãð*ìì*î? |
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>> Ïðè è*ñò*ëÿöèè ê*ðò* îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ ê*ê kx generic
óãó. *óæ** åù¸ öèôð*, **ïèñ****ÿ ** ñ*ìîé ïë*òå â ëåâîì âåðõ*åì óãëó (SB03xx/CT03xx) >> òî ò*ìâñå òîò æå ïðåñëîâóòûé ac97 (çâóê ÷åðåç *åãî *å èäåò - *î ê âûõîäó î* âñå-îä*î >> ïîäêëþ÷å* - ñ *åãî è **ñ*ñûâ*åò *åáîñü áîëüøå âñåãî) òóò **äî ïðîâåðÿòü... **ñêîëüêî ÿ ïîì*þ, êðå*òèâ, **êî*åö, îòêëþ÷èë-ò*êè â ïîñëåä*èõ âåðñèÿõ *ñ97 îò ôðî*ò* -- ïðÿìîé ñâÿçè *åò, ç*òî åñòü îïîñðåäîâ****ÿ ÷åðåç philips... õîòÿ, ïîâòîðþñü, **äî ïðîâåðèòü (**ïðèìåð, âêëþ÷èâ ì*ñòåð è ïîäêëþ÷èâ ñèã**ë ** epiloglt_k2.ac97) ïî ïîâîäó øóì*: ñêîðåå âñåãî, î*è îïÿòü ïîìå*ÿëè **ç**÷å*èå HCFG GPIO... çëîäåè... >> Íå ïî*èì*þ, ê*ê î*è óâåëè÷èëè îò*îøå*èå ñèã**ë/øóì ñ 106 ** 108 ôîðì*ëü*î... ïîìå*ÿëè êîäåê -- â èòîãå, ïî "*åðå*ëü*ûì" ("èäå*ëü*ûì") òåõ*è÷åñêèì õ*ð*êòåðèñòèê*ì ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿ _êîäåê*_ ìîæ*î ïèñ*òü ïðî 108, ** ñ*ìîì äåëå ò*ì ýòîãî *åò è áûòü *å ìîæåò â ïðè*öèïå äî ïîääåðæêè ìîäåëè â êÕ ïðîâîäèòü ê*êèå-ëèáî òåñòû ïîä **øèì ñîôòîì áåñïîëåç*î -- ê*ê òîëüêî äîá*âëþ ïðîâåðêó ** PCI_id (ñîîòâåòñòâå**î, ïîñëå ïîëó÷å*èÿ "ç*âåò*ûõ öèôð") -- ìîæ*î ïðîâåðèòü ñëåä. ðåëèç (ñêîðåå âñåãî, 3537b) 24\96 **äî ïðîâåðÿòü òîëüêî ** óñòðîéñòâå "Wave HQ", êîòîðîå â ïîñë. ïóáëè÷*îì ðåëèçå (3536) *åñêîëüêî "ãëþ÷èò", îñîáå**î ñ "*åèçâåñò*ûìè ê*ðò*ìè" /E |
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>îòêëþ÷èë-ò*êè â ïîñëåä*èõ âåðñèÿõ *ñ97 îò ôðî*ò*
ïîãîäè, * ê*ê òîãä* ó *èõ âõîäû ñ êîäåê* ** ôðî*ò ïîï*ä*þò? (òî åñòü ñèòó*öèÿ: ** ç*ïèñü âêëþ÷å* ac97.mix, * ** ìî*èòîðè*ã äîïóñòèì òîëüêî line... èëè **îáîðîò, õîòÿ ** Pro ìîæåò è îòêëþ÷å* ð*ç ò*ì èç äîï. "âõîäîâ" òîëüêî AUX_IN) >>87 - **âåð*ÿê* âûõîä*îé ê*ñê*ä. >Ýòî ïî÷åìó? È*òóèöèÿ ;) õîòÿ åñëè ò*ê ** âñåõ âûõîä*õ.. õìì... *å ç**þ *å ç**þ... Âîîáùå, ä*, ïèøóò ÷òî î*è ** "âûñîêèõ ð*çðåøå*èÿõ" âñå-ò*êè ïðèìå*ÿþò ê*êîé-òî õèòðþùèé dithering (îõ óæ ýòè ì*å òóì***ûå ôð*çû - "âûñîêèå ð*çðåøå*èÿ" - ê*êèå èìå**î? âñåãä* èëè òîëüêî ïðè **ëè÷èè ñèã**ëîâ ** îïðåäåëå**ûõ ê***ë*õ? ÷òî áóäåò åñëè âîò ýòó ê*îïêó **æ*òü? * òó?) >Í* âõîä *è÷åãî *å ïîä*åòñÿ.  ñìûñëå *è÷åãî *å âîòê*óòî èëè âîòê*óòî *î *å ïîä*åòñÿ? (* "âèä*û **âîäêè îò ñåòè" - ýòî î*è ïðÿìî âèä*û â ýòîì øóìå êîòîðûé -103äÁ?)... ä*, *ó ë*ä*î - *å ñóòü, ÷åãî ÿ ïðèâÿç*ëñÿ? ôèã ñ *èìè. >Äûê åñëè óðîâå*ü âûõîä* ñ ðåâåð* ïîñò*âèòü ** ìè*èìóì (â ðîä*ûõ äðîâ*õ ïîëîæå*èå Inf, ÷åãî âñå ð*â*î áóäåòü øóìåòü? ×åãî ÿ ýòîãî *å ïî*èì*þ. Íåò, åñëè åãî âûêëþ÷èòü (âûñò*âèâ â óðîâå*ü â inf) òî øóì òî ** âûõîä *å äîëæå* ïîï*ä*òü - *î ýòî îïÿòü æå - ïî-èäåå. >Åùå è ** òåëåôî**îì óñèëèòèëå ïîõîæå ñòîèò êîäåê 16/48. Í* ñïåêòðîãð*ììå åãî âûõîä* ÷*ñòîòû âûøå 22êÃö ðåçêî ðåæóòñÿ. Ìîæåò ýòî ïðîãð*ìì*î? Îïÿòü æå ZS â ðóê*õ *å äåðæ*ë, *î âîò ** A2 (ïî-êð*é*åé ìåðå âñåõ *å "Ex" ìîäåëåé - åñëè ÷òî Æå*ÿ ìå*ÿ ïîïð*âèò) ** âûõîä **óø*èêîâ ñèã**ë ïîï*ä*åò òîëüêî ÷åðåç îñ*îâ*îé ÷èï (emu10k2 î* æå Audigy î* Audigy2 î* æå AudigyZS) * ýòî ñîîòâåòñâå**î ç**÷èò âñåãä* òîëüêî 48kHz (ñîîòâåòñâå**î ñì. http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/p16v.php) Íó è ñîáñòâå**î *åò *èê*êèõ îñ*îâ**èé äóì*òü ÷òî ** ZS î*è ñäåë*ëè ïî-äðóãîìó (õîòåëîñü áû êî*å÷*î **äåÿòñÿ ÷òî Pro ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðèÿò*ûì èñêëþ÷å*èåì, *î...). >(ïë*òèøü, ïë*òèøü äå*üãè - * â èòîãå ïîëó÷*åøü âñå-òîò-æå ac97 >Íå ð*ñòð*èâ*é è ò*ê *åðâ*è÷*þ ×åð*ûå ÷åð*ûå øóìû ** ÷åð*îé ÷åð*îé ê*ðòå îò ÷åð*îãî ÷åð*îãî êðå*òèâ* :) Ä* ôèã ñ *èìè ñ äåöèáåë*ìè, âñåæ-ò*êè *åò âðîäå-áû îñ*îâ**èé *å âåðèòü â òå -97dB ç*ÿâëå**ûõ â pdf (ìîæåò ò*ì åùå ê*êóþ ê*îïêó **æ*òü **äî)... èçìåðå*èÿ ýòî ò*ê - ñêîðåå äëÿ óñïîêîå*èÿ äóøè (ó ìå*ÿ âî* â ñîñåä*åé êîì**òå ðþìêè â ñåðâ**òå çâå*ÿò, ïðîñòî ò*ê - îò ñêâîç*ÿê*, **äî áóäåò ê*ê-*èáóäü ïîìåðÿòü óðîâå*ü ;) Îä*î äåëî èññêóñòâå**ûå èäå*ëü*ûå óñëîâèÿ ("âñå îòêëþ÷å*î, îäè* ïîòîê òóä* - îäè* ñþä*") - äðóãîå äåëî - â áîþ - îä*îâðåìå**î ïèñ*òü ÷òî-*èáóäü ÷åðåç 24/96 asio, îä*îâðåìå**î èãð*òü â eax èãðóøêó, *ó è ôî*îì ôèëüì ê*êîé-*èáóäü ñ ac3 çâóêîì, âîò òóò òî ìû è óâèäèì - ê*ê*ÿ î** - ýò* "òîïîâ*ÿ" ìîäåëü ** ñ*ìîì äåëå. Ìîæåò áûòü âñå åùå *å ò*ê ïëîõî ;) Last edited by Max M.; Jan 11, 2004 at 10:30 PM. |
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>> ïîãîäè, * ê*ê òîãä* ó *èõ âõîäû ñ êîäåê* ** ôðî*ò ïîï*ä*þò?
ó *èõ ò*ì, âðîäå, òîëüêî "analog mix" òåïåðü îñò*ëñÿ * line-in ïèøåòñÿ ÷åðåç philips... ïóò**îå äåëî -- ÿ îñîáî *å ð*çáèð*ëñÿ (õîòÿ ñòîèëî áû...) >> Îïÿòü æå ZS â ðóê*õ *å äåðæ*ë, *î âîò ** A2 (ïî-êð*é*åé ìåðå âñåõ *å "Ex" ìîäåëåé - åñëè ÷òî >> Æå*ÿ ìå*ÿ ïîïð*âèò) ** âûõîä **óø*èêîâ ñèã**ë ïîï*ä*åò òîëüêî ÷åðåç îñ*îâ*îé ÷èï âî âñåõ *2 âûõîä ** **óø*èêè èä¸ò ÷åðåç spdif2, *, ç**÷èò, è ÷åðåç p16v ïîýòîìó ïðè ïðîèãðûâ**èè 24/96 ÷åðåç HQ ** **óø*èêè äîëæå* ïîï*ä*òü ñèã**ë 24\96 (ñîîòâåòñòâå**î, âî âñåõ äðóãèõ ñëó÷*ÿõ - 16\48) ïð*âä*, ÿ *å ïîì*þ, ê*êîé èìå**î ÖÀÏ ñòîèò â "êîðîáêå" äëÿ "**óø*èêîâñêîãî" âûõîä*... /Å |
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2Eugene Gavrilov
>*óæ** åù¸ öèôð*, **ïèñ****ÿ ** ñ*ìîé ïë*òå â ëåâîì âåðõ*åì óãëó SB0360 >ïî ïîâîäó øóì*: ñêîðåå âñåãî, î*è îïÿòü ïîìå*ÿëè **ç**÷å*èå HCFG GPIO... çëîäåè... Åñòü **äåæäû, ÷òî â kx î*î òîæå ïîìå*ÿåòñÿ? Öèôðîâûå âõîäû/âûõîäû ð*áîò*þò *îðì*ëü*î. À ** òåëåôî*îì âûõîäå ** ñëóõ ïðèñóòñòâóþò èñê*æå*èÿ è î÷å*ü áîëüø*ÿ ãðîìêîñòü. > ** ñ*ìîì äåëå ò*ì ýòîãî *åò è áûòü *å ìîæåò â ïðè*öèïå Â*óòðè êîìïüþòåð* **âåð*îå ä*. Õîòÿ ó M-Audio Audiophile öèôðû áëèçêèå ê ýòîìó (103 ïî ï*ìÿòè) > ìîæ*î ïðîâåðèòü ñëåä. ðåëèç (ñêîðåå âñåãî, 3537b) Ýõ, **÷è**ÿ ñ ðåëèç* 3536 ó ìå*ÿ *åð*çðåøèìûå ïðîáëåììû ïðè óñò**îâêå. Ó ìå*ÿ ïðîöåññîð HT. Âåðñèè 3535 è 3536pr áîëåå ìå*åå ð*áîò*þò (ñ âêëþ÷å**ûì ht ïåðèîäè÷åñêè îòïð*âëÿþò êîìï ** ïåðåç*ãðóçêó, ñ âûêëþ÷å**ûì ð*áîò*þò ñò*áèëü*î). Êîãä* ïîñò*âèë âåðñèþ 3536b (ò* êîòîð*ÿ ñåé÷*ñ ** ñ*éòå) êîìï ïðè óñò**îâêå äð*éâåðîâ ç*âèñ*ë ïîñëå ñîãë*ñèÿ óñò**îâèòü äð*éâåð* äëÿ êî*êðåò*îé ê*ðòî÷êè. Ïðîáûâ*ë 3537*- óñò**îâê* ïðîõîäèò *îðì*ëü*î, ïðè ïåðåç*ãðóçêå êîìï **ìåðòâî ïîâèñ*åò. Âñå ýòî îäè**êîâî è äëÿ CT4830 è äëÿ SB0360  .Êî*ôèãóð*öèÿ êîìï*: MSI6728Neo2(865pe), P4-2400HT, dual ddr 400, GetForce mx440se.  ðîä*ûõ äðîâ*õ åñòü ëþáîïûò*ûå ôè÷è: Bit Accurate Mode- ïî SPDIF In èäåò ïåðåä*÷* áèò â áèò ä*æå ** 44100; Í* ASIO âûõîä*õ ñäåë**û ïîñûëû ** 4 ãðóïïû ýôôåêòîâ (õîòÿ ïî ðîóòè*ãó êî*å÷*î kx *åò ð*â*ûõ); Í* âêë*äêå Digital Input ïðèñóòñòâóåò ç**÷å*èå ÷*ñòîòû è ð*çðÿä*îñòü. 2Max M. >âñå-ò*êè ïðèìå*ÿþò ê*êîé-òî õèòðþùèé dithering Âîîáùå Dithering âåùü î÷å*ü ïîëåç**ÿ, âñå ç*âèñèò îò òîãî ê*ê åãî ïðèìå*èòü. > ñìûñëå *è÷åãî *å âîòê*óòî èëè âîòê*óòî *î *å ïîä*åòñÿ? Âîòê*óòî, *î *å âêëþ÷å*î >(* "âèä*û **âîäêè îò ñåòè" - ýòî î*è ïðÿìî âèä*û â ýòîì øóìå êîòîðûé -103äÁ?) Ä*, * ÷òî òåáÿ óäèâëÿåò? Ïîñìîòðè ê*ðòè*êó ** pdf îò Creative, òî÷*î ò*ê*ÿ **âîäê* ê*ê è ó *èõ (50Ãö -110äÁ). Âîîáùå ðåçóëüò*òû òåñò* ïî÷òè ò*êèå-æå ê*ê ó *èõ (** ï*ðó äÁ õóæå) >Íåò, åñëè åãî âûêëþ÷èòü (âûñò*âèâ â óðîâå*ü â inf) òî øóì òî ** âûõîä *å äîëæå* ïîï*ä*òü - *î ýòî îïÿòü æå - ïî-èäåå. Ê*ê âûÿñ*èëîñü, î* 100% îòêëþ÷å*, êîãä* *å ñòîèò ã*ëî÷ê* ** Enable Audio Effects (ó ìå*ÿ, åñòåñòâå*î, ïðè òåñò*õ *óäèî ýôôåêòû áûëè âûêëþ÷å*û) > ** âûõîä **óø*èêîâ ñèã**ë ïîï*ä*åò òîëüêî ÷åðåç îñ*îâ*îé ÷èï ïîõîæå ** òî. À òåîðèòè÷åñêè, ïðîãð*ìì*î èñïð*âèòü ýòî ìîæ*î? À îñ*îâ*îé ÷èï ç*ñò*âèòü ð*áîò*òü ** 96? >×åð*ûå ÷åð*ûå øóìû ** ÷åð*îé ÷åð*îé ê*ðòå îò ÷åð*îãî ÷åð*îãî êðå*òèâ* Ä* óæ Îñò*âèë ÿ ýòó ê*ðòó. Âèäèìî î** ñïåöè*ëü*î äëÿ ðîññèéñêèõ ïîëüçîâ*òåëåé, êîòîðûì è*òåðåñ*î ð*çîáð*òüñÿ, ÷òî ê ÷åìó Ê*ê òîëüêî ** *åé kx *îðì*ëü*î ç*ð*áîò*åò, ñäåë*þ ðåçóëüò*òû ñð*â*èòåëü*ûõ òåñòîâ. Î÷å*ü è*òåðåñ*î. Íó è ïèâî ïî ïî÷òå âûøëþ |
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p.s. îñò*âèë ê*ðòó ÷èò*òü ê*ê îñò*âèë â èñïîëüçîâ**èè
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>>âñå-ò*êè ïðèìå*ÿþò ê*êîé-òî õèòðþùèé dithering
>Âîîáùå Dithering âåùü î÷å*ü ïîëåç**ÿ, âñå ç*âèñèò îò òîãî ê*ê åãî ïðèìå*èòü. Áåçóñëîâ*î, *î â ä***îì êî*êðåò*îì ñëó÷*å è ïëþñîâ õâ*ò*åò è ìó*óñîâ. >>(* "âèä*û **âîäêè îò ñåòè" - ýòî î*è ïðÿìî âèä*û â ýòîì øóìå êîòîðûé -103äÁ?) >Ä*, * ÷òî òåáÿ óäèâëÿåò? Ä* *è÷åãî *å óäèâëÿåò (ñê*æåì, ÿ ïðîñòî ïîëå*èëñÿ â*èì*òåëü*î èçó÷èòü ãð*ôèêè ;) >> ** âûõîä **óø*èêîâ ñèã**ë ïîï*ä*åò òîëüêî ÷åðåç îñ*îâ*îé ÷èï >ïîõîæå ** òî. À òåîðèòè÷åñêè, ïðîãð*ìì*î èñïð*âèòü ýòî ìîæ*î? Íó åñëè ýòî æåñòê*ÿ ïðèâÿçê* â æåëåçå (* ïî-âñåìó ò*ê è åñòü) òî *åò. Ïëþñ, åñëè âñå ò*ê ê*ê ìû äóì*åì, î*è âèäèìî òóä* ("** **óø*èêè") åùå è ÖÀÏ ïîñò*âèëè òîëüêî ñ 48 ðåæèìîì. >À îñ*îâ*îé ÷èï ç*ñò*âèòü ð*áîò*òü ** 96? Òîãä* áû ìû èìåëè ýòè ñ*ìûå 96 åùå ** ë*éâå äâ* ãîä* **ç*ä ;) (åñëè îïÿòü-æå ïðî ö*ïû ** ñåêó*äó ç*áûòü) |
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>> SB0360
ok >>ïî ïîâîäó øóì*: ñêîðåå âñåãî, î*è îïÿòü ïîìå*ÿëè **ç**÷å*èå HCFG GPIO... çëîäåè... >Åñòü **äåæäû, ÷òî â kx î*î òîæå ïîìå*ÿåòñÿ? **äåæä* âñåãä* åñòü >> Öèôðîâûå âõîäû/âûõîäû ð*áîò*þò *îðì*ëü*î. óãó >> À ** òåëåôî*îì âûõîäå ** ñëóõ ïðèñóòñòâóþò èñê*æå*èÿ è î÷å*ü áîëüø*ÿ ãðîìêîñòü. ýòî Tad-in?.. õììì.. ë*ä*î... ïîñìîòðèì, ÷òî èçìå*èòñÿ ïîñëå êîððåêò*îãî "óç**â**èÿ" ê*ðòû >> Ïðîáûâ*ë 3537*- óñò**îâê* ïðîõîäèò *îðì*ëü*î, ïðè ïåðåç*ãðóçêå êîìï **ìåðòâî ïîâèñ*åò. Âñå ýòî >> îäè**êîâî è äëÿ CT4830 è äëÿ SB0360 .>> Êî*ôèãóð*öèÿ êîìï*: MSI6728Neo2(865pe), P4-2400HT, dual ddr 400, GetForce mx440se. ç**÷èò, ïðèä¸òñÿ ïðîâåðÿòü ñ îòêëþ÷å**ûì ÕÒ >>  ðîä*ûõ äðîâ*õ åñòü ëþáîïûò*ûå ôè÷è: >> Bit Accurate Mode- ïî SPDIF In èäåò ïåðåä*÷* áèò â áèò ä*æå ** 44100; >> Í* âêë*äêå Digital Input ïðèñóòñòâóåò ç**÷å*èå ÷*ñòîòû è ð*çðÿä*îñòü. ýòî êðå*òèâñêèå ðîä*ûå äðîâ*?.. â ïðè*öèïå, ó **ñ òîæå åñòü è accurate mode ( = "direct spdif recording" ) è äëÿ digital input îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ ÷*ñòîò* (io status) -- â 3537á áóäåò îïðåäåëÿòüñÿ è ð*çðÿä*îñòü (ò*ì, ïð*âä*, òî*êîñòè åñòü... **äî ïðîâåðÿòü áóäåò...) >>Ä* óæ Îñò*âèë ÿ ýòó ê*ðòó. Âèäèìî î** ñïåöè*ëü*î äëÿ ðîññèéñêèõ ïîëüçîâ*òåëåé, êîòîðûì >> è*òåðåñ*î ð*çîáð*òüñÿ, ÷òî ê ÷åìó âî-âî>> Ê*ê òîëüêî ** *åé kx *îðì*ëü*î ç*ð*áîò*åò, ñäåë*þ ðåçóëüò*òû ñð*â*èòåëü*ûõ òåñòîâ. Î÷å*ü >> è*òåðåñ*î. Íó è ïèâî ïî ïî÷òå âûøëþ *äðåñ ìû ñ ð*äîñòüþ óê*æåì >> Ïëþñ, åñëè âñå ò*ê ê*ê ìû äóì*åì, î*è âèäèìî òóä* ("** **óø*èêè") åùå è ÖÀÏ ïîñò*âèëè òîëüêî ñ 48 >> ðåæèìîì ò*ì ìîãóò áûòü óäèâèòåëü*ûå âåùè ò.ê. spdif2 ìîæåò áûòü 24\96, òî ñò*âèòü òóä* äåø¸âûé ÖÀÏ îñîáîãî ðåçî** *åòó... ÿ ïðîâåðèë: ** *2åõ **óø*èêè â 24\96 *å îòêëþ÷*þòñÿ (ïð*âä*, ò*ì **äî ïî-õèòðîìó ïðîâåðÿòü, èãð*ÿ 8-channel... âûâîä: spdif2 *å ãëóøèòñÿ â 96000). âîáùåì, "âñêðûòèå ïîê*æåò" /Å |
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Jan 12, 2004, 08:42 PM
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>> À ** òåëåôî*îì âûõîäå ** ñëóõ ïðèñóòñòâóþò èñê*æå*èÿ è î÷å*ü áîëüø*ÿ ãðîìêîñòü.
>ýòî Tad-in?.. õììì.. ë*ä*î... ïîñìîòðèì, ÷òî èçìå*èòñÿ ïîñëå êîððåêò*îãî "óç**â**èÿ" ê*ðòû Ä* *å... Èìåëñÿ ââèäó âûõîä ** **óø*èêè >ç**÷èò, ïðèä¸òñÿ ïðîâåðÿòü ñ îòêëþ÷å**ûì ÕÒ Óâû, *å ç**þ, ÷òî ò*êîå XT, è ãäå åãî îòêëþ÷*òü. Ïîäñê*æè, ïîæ*ëóéñò*. >ýòî êðå*òèâñêèå ðîä*ûå äðîâ*?.. Ä*, ** êîìï*êò äèñêå ñ ê*ðòîé. >â ïðè*öèïå, ó **ñ òîæå åñòü è accurate mode ( = "direct spdif recording" ) è äëÿ digital input îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ ÷*ñòîò* (io status) -- â 3537á áóäåò îïðåäåëÿòüñÿ è ð*çðÿä*îñòü È*îãä* ïîëåç**ÿ âåùü. Ïîñìîòðåë â*èì*òåëü*åå Creative ASIO, ìåðç*âöû î*è, ** 48êÃö 16 áèò ãî*ÿþò Èëè ýòî òî-æå îñîáå**îñòè *ðõèòåêòóðû, â kx ASIO ê*ê*ÿ ð*çðÿä*îñòü? |
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Jan 12, 2004, 10:40 PM
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>XT î* âèäèìî HT (ïðîñòî ðóññêèìè áóêâ*ìè **ïèñ*ë - õýòý ;) èìåë ââèäó. >Creative ASIO Í* Pro è Ex ìîäåëÿõ äð*éâåð* åùå äîëæ*û ïîê*çûâ*òü "SB Audigy ASIO 24/96" (*ó èëè ïîäîá*îå **çâ**èå) ïîðò, â äîïîë*å*èå ê îáû÷*îìó "Creativ |