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Old Nov 10, 2003, 07:17 AM   #1
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exclamation PROBLEM: No sound with DXi plugins!

Hi!

I have just installed kx driver v3534f on SB Live! 5.1 OEM. Every thing is working fine, but I have no sound ...when I use DXi plugins in Sound Forge v5.0!!

I load .wav file in the editor (Sound Forge) --- press Play and everything sounds good
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Select DXi plugin form "DirectX" menu
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Press Preview button in plugin window (to preview in realtime)
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VU-meters etc seems to move ok, but there's no sound at all

I can hear effect after applying plugin on the wave, but I need it in realtime, because applying DXi on 50Mb wave file every time after adjusting its paramaters is VERY annoying

I tried to set "Wave Mapper" or "kx Wave" devices in Audio device properties, but it doesn't help.

System: Win'98, DirectX 8.0

Thanx for help.
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Old Nov 10, 2003, 07:44 AM   #2
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That seems to be not related to kx driver at all.. It's something with SoundForge settings... btw. did you install "wdm audio fix for 98se" (it's included in full kx package)?
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Old Nov 10, 2003, 08:13 AM   #3
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Koroche , izveni, netu russkoj raskladki, no fonti estj

Ja proboval vsjo eto delatj s originaljnimi draiverami i vsjo rabotalo, a teperj, posle ustanovki kx - net
I eto ne toljko s DXi kak okazalosj toljko chto, a voobsche so vsemi plaginami v Sound Forge, skoree vsego togda eto dejstviteljno gljuk SF... a etot win98se update razve ne dlja Win 98 Special Edition ? (u menja obichnij)
Eto ne mozhet bitj v nastroikah miksera kx? A to tam stoljko vsego - chort golovu slomit

I esche srazu vopros, mozhno li v Fruity Loops (zvuk cherez ASIO) postavitj na kazhdij kanal apparatnij effekt, a potom pustitj eto vsjo na master i esche effekt na mastere (vsjo apparatnoe)? Toestj ja napravljaju kazhdij audio track na svoj ASIO-vihod. I estj li v apparatnih effektah Compressor ?

Spasibo za otveti, izveni chto ih tak mnogo.
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Old Nov 10, 2003, 08:22 AM   #4
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Óãó, ÿ òîãä* ïåðå*åñó â ðóññêóþ ÷*ñòü ÷òîáû **ðîä *å ïóã*òü... Ò*ê-ñ ïîñìîòðèì:

>a etot win98se update razve ne dlja Win 98 Special Edition ? (u menja obichnij)

 òîì è ïðèêîë ÷òî åñëè áû ó òåáÿ áûë *å SE òû áû kx âîîáùå *å ñìîã ïîñò*âèòü (98 Gold *å ïîääåðæèâ*åò WDM äðîâ*) - ò*ê ÷òî ó òåáÿ èìå**î SE.
Ïîõîæå â ýòîì è ïðîáëåì* - ñ âêëþ÷. ïë*ãè**ìè SF ïûò*åòñÿ èãð*òü 24 áèò*ûé çâóê (åñëè ñòîèò ò*ê*ÿ ã*ëî÷ê* â îïöèÿõ ôîðäæ* - * î** ò*ì âñåãä* ïî-óìîë÷**èþ ñòîèò), * áåç ýòî ï*ò÷* âè*äû *å ïî*èì*þò ò*êîé ôîðì*ò åñëè äð*éâåð äëÿ çâóê* WDM (ê*êèì ÿâëÿåòñÿ kX).

Ä* è SE ýòî *å special * second edition.
À DXi ýòî instrument (synthesizer), * ê ïë*ãè**ì ýôôåêò*ì îáû÷*î ïðîñòî DX ïðèêðåïëÿåòñÿ. (Ýòî ÿ ò*ê ê ñâåäå*èþ, ÷òîáû ïîâûñèòü óðîâå*ü âç*èìîïî*èì**èÿ... À òî ìå*ÿ ñ**÷*ë* *åì*îãî â ñòóïîð ââåëî - "ñè*òåç*òîðû?! â ôîðäæå?!" ;)

Can you read this?

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Old Nov 10, 2003, 09:01 AM   #5
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!!! Aliluja !!!

Rabotaet, ja ubral galochku 24-bit. Tam napisano "Try to open 24-bit" rjadom s nej, dik ja i podumal chto on-to "try", no u nego ne poluchitsja i on obratno na 16 SPASIBO!

A kak naschet DSP-effektov v Fruity loops, a kotorih ja sprashival?

P.S.: Naschet DXi i DX, ja konechno oshibsja.

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Old Nov 10, 2003, 09:46 AM   #6
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Íó è îòëè÷*î. Íî ï*ò÷ ëó÷øå âñå-ð*â*î ïîñò*âèòü
Áåç *åãî **ïðèìåð ò*êæå *å áóäóò èãð*òü ac3 (dvd/ôèëüìû è ò.ä.)
Èëè **ïðèìåð, âîò â ïÿòîì SF ó ìå*ÿ ýò* ã*ëî÷ê* ïðè ê*æäîì ç*ïóñêå âîññò***âëèâ*åòñÿ (õîòÿ â øåñòîé è ñåäüìîé âåðñèÿõ î*è ýòî **âåð*îå ïîôèêñèëè)

>Fruity Loops (zvuk cherez ASIO) postavitj na kazhdij kanal apparatnij effekt

Ìîæ*î, ñîîòâåòñâå**î ïî-óìîë÷**èþ ê*æäûé ê***ë ASIO ïðèõîäèò **-îä*îèìå**ûé "øòûðåê" ìîäóëÿ FxBus (*î ìîæ*î ïåðå**ñòðîèòü ÷åðåç kX Router).. îòñþä*: âåø*åì ** ê*æäûé âûõîä Fxbus ñâîé ýôôåêò * ïîòîì óæå âûõîäû ñ ê*æäîãî ýôôåêò* ìèêøèðóåì âìåñòå (äëÿ ýòîãî ðåêîìå*äóþ MX6 ìîäóëü - î* èäåò â ïîñò*âêå ñ 36-îé âåðñèåé äð*éâåð*, *î ìîæ*î ñê*÷*òü îòäåëü*î è äëÿ áîëåå ð***èõ âåðñèé - â DSP/Effects ÷*ñòè ôîðóì* åñòü åãî îòäåëü**ÿ âåòê*) è **ïð*âëÿåì ** âûõîäû (÷åðåç xrouting èëè **ïðÿìóþ, ãë*â*îå *å ç*ïóò*òüñÿ - ò.ê. âñå îñò*ëü*ûå ñèã**ëû òîæå èäóò ÷åðåç FxBus)

>I estj li v apparatnih effektah Compressor ?

Åñòü ò*êîé, â ïîäìå*þ "APS".
Êñò*òè åùå ñîâåòóþ ïðîñê**èðîâ*òü ôîðóì ** ïðåäìåò äîïîë*èòåëü*ûõ ïë*ãè*îâ - ìîæ*î ì*îãî ïîëåç*îãî îá**ðóæèòü (õîòÿ êîìïðåññîð ê*ê ÿ ïîì*þ îäè* åäè*ñòâå**ûé - òîò ÷òî â ïîñò*âêå).
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Old Nov 10, 2003, 01:29 PM   #7
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Spasibo za pomosch, Max!

Znachit teperj moj Live! chto-to tipa polnocennogo apparatnogo sampler'a s DSP? Eto ochenj prijatno. A sempli - eto SoundFont? Mozhet vopros pokazhetsja glupim, no ja vsegda rabotal toljko s razdeljnim muzikaljnim oborudovaniem i nikogda ne ispoljzoval dlja etogo komputer, osvaivaju soft toljko poslednie 2 mesjaca. No vopros takoi: esli pokluchitj vneshnij MIDI sequencer v MIDI-in v zvukovoj karte, kak mne vibiratj pri pomoschi MIDI soobschenij nuzhnij mne bank so zvukami? Etot nomer banka v sound font LSB ili MSB dlja MIDI? Kak naznachitj MIDI kanal - kx-router?
Ili... gde eto vsjo mozhno prochitatj??? Manual?

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Old Nov 11, 2003, 04:11 AM   #8
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>Znachit teperj moj Live! chto-to tipa polnocennogo apparatnogo sampler'a s DSP?

Ïðèêîë â òîì ÷òî ñîáñòâå**î èç**÷*ëü*î ýòî ñåìïëåð ñ ýôôåêò*ìè è åñòü, ò.å. è*æå*åðû E-mu Systems
èìå**î ò*ê åãî (emu10k1) è ð*çð*á*òûâ*ëè. À âñå îñò*ëü*îå ò*ì ïîñòîëüêó-ïîñêîëüêó... (îõ ä*â*î ýòî áûëî)
Õîòÿ çâóê â èãðóøê*õ, å*êñû-ôèã*êñû ò*ì âñÿêèå òîæå â öåëîì â "ñåìïëåð ñ ýôôåêò*ìè" ç*ìå÷*òåëü*î âïèñûâ*þòñÿ.

>A sempli - eto SoundFont?

óãó.

>esli pokluchitj vneshnij MIDI sequencer v MIDI-in v zvukovoj karte, kak mne vibiratj pri pomoschi MIDI soobschenij nuzhnij mne bank so zvukami?

Íó â ïðè*öèïå ò*ì âñå ê*ê îáû÷*î: "Äâ*" ñè*òåç*òîð* ïî 16 ê***ëîâ ** ê*æäûé, ** ê*æäîì ê***ëå ProgramChange/BankSelect
(MSB âðîäå èëè è òîò è äðóãîé (** âñêèäêó *å âñïîì*þ ÷òî-òî - fixme) - á**êè ñîîòâåòñâå**î òîëüêî åñëè â ñ*ìîì soundfont ô*éëå *åñêîëüêî á**êîâ, ëèáî *åñêîëüêî ñ*ó*äôî*òîâ ç*ãðóæå*î).

Äâå òî*êîñòè:
1. "Â*åø*èé" MIDI âõîä è SF Synth äâ* *åç*âèñèìûõ óñòðîéñòâ*, èç**÷*ëü*î äðóã ñ äðóãîì *å ñâÿç***ûõ ñîîòâåñòâå**î
÷òîáû èãð*òü âòîðûì ÷åðåç ïåðâûé èõ **äî "ñîåäè*èòü" (îáû÷*î ÷åðåç ïðîãð*ììó-ñåêâå*ñåð, ëèáî ÷åðåç ïðîãð*ììêó òèï*
"hubi's midiloopback".
2. â kX ïî-óìîë÷**èþ *å ç*ãðóæå*î *èê*êèõ çâóêîâ/ñåìïëîâ âîîáùå (÷òîáû *å ò*ñê*òü çäîðîâûå sf â äèñòðèáóòèâå),
Îòñþä* **äî òóä* ÷òî-*èáóäü ñ**÷*ë* ç*ãðóçèòü (ñîîòâåòñâå**î ÷åðåç kX SoundFont)

>Kak naznachitj MIDI kanal - kx-router?

Ñìîòðÿ ê*êîé-ê***ë è êóä*... åñëè ->**ç**÷*òü ê*êîé ìèäè ê***ë áóäåò èãð*òü ** ê*êîé fxbus, òî, ä*, ÷åðåç kX Router
(ïî-óìîë÷**èþ âñå ê***ëû ñè*òåç*òîð* âûâîäÿò ** fxbus 2/3, * ïîñûëû ** reverb/chorus (÷åðåç CC91/93) ** fxbus 13/14)..
èëè ÷òî-òî äðóãîå èìåëîñü ââèäó?

>Ili... gde eto vsjo mozhno prochitatj??? Manual?

Íó ïðî ò*ê ýòî â kX ñäåë**î-òî â ñïð*âêå êî*å÷*î åñòü, *î áåç îïûò* âî "âñåé ýòîé ìóçûêå ** êîìïüþòåðå" ïîæ*ëóé
ñëîæ*îâ*òî áóäåò ð*çîáð*òüñÿ...

À ïî îáùèì âîïðîñ*ì ýòî ëó÷øå ê*èæêó ÷òî-ëè ê*êóþ...
Ãìì... *ó âîò **ïðèìåð Ïåòåëè*û óæå ê*èæåê øåñòü ïðî âñå ýòè äåë* **ïèñ*ëè (äî òîãî ð*ñïèñ*ëèñü ÷òî â ñåâåð*îé *ìåðèêå ê*èæêè âûïóñê*òü **÷*ëè)...
 ïðè*öèïå ò*ì ïðî âñå ó *èõ åñòü, â òîì ÷èñëå è ïðî soundfonts, è ïðî ýòîò êî*êðåò*ûé ñè*òåç*òîð, è âñå ò*êîå ïðî÷åå
(*ó è ïðî âñå ð*ñïðîñòð**å**ûå ïðîãð*ììû, ä* ÿ äóì*þ è ó â*ñ ýòè âîïðîñû â ëèòåð*òóðå *å îáõîäèëè ñòîðî*îé...)...

(Ò***ê, * ñ Ïåòåëè*ûõ ïèâî ç* ðåêë*ìó).

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Privet i snova spasibo, Max!
Vchera sidel chasov do 5-ti utra razberalsja s kxMixeromi shtudiroval on-line manual. Naskoljko ja ponjal, vihodi MIDI kanalov v kxRoutere naznachajutsja na FXBus parami (Left/Right), znachit - maximum 8 nezavisimih stereo FXBus linij na 1 sintezator? Proboval stavitj FXBusX s 32-mja kanalami, kxRouter vseravno predlagaet toljko 16 na vibor, ja prav?

U vas ne predusmotreni varianti razlichnih ustanovok DSP dlja raznih versij Live! ?
A to v kxmixer'e vhodi: "AUX2", "Line1", "Line2/Mic2", "Unknown2", "TAD", "SPDIF", "ZVideo", a potom esche AC97 i tam: "LineIN", "AUX", "Mic", "Video"... KARAUL! U menja vsego 2 vhoda v karte: "Line - 1" i "Line/Mic - 2" nu i "TAD" vhutri, s vihodami prosche, ih 3 kak i dolzhno bitj Podkluchaju v Line i Line2 ustrojstva - oni vse regulirujutsja toljko v AC97, v tom chisle i CD (ne podkluchen cherez digital), kak bi podgruppa poluchaetsja. I v okne INs/OUTs slider AC97 reguliruet toljko tot istochnik, kotorij vibran v combo-box'e v okne AC97, a ne vsjo gruppu AC97. A zachem togda v okne INs/OUTs stoljko raznih vhodov, tam vedj tozhe estj "line", "line2", no pochemu oni ne rabotajut, a toljko cherez AC97? Vot poetomu i sprashivaju pro variant DSP Ili ja opjatj chto-to ne ponimaju

S ostaljnim vsem vrode kak razobralsja, vchera dazhe zapisal odin neboljshoj Track, sdelannij chisto na Live!, radi testa Toljko ne pomeshalo bi okoshko kxDSP uvelichitj, a to slishkom tam tesno

Uda4i i procvetanija!
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