I would like ATI to make an AGP based X700 series card

edperks

I think ATI should release an AGP version of the X700 as this is a medium range card and alot of people who buy medium range products are usually on a budget and they will not have a motherboard that will support the new PCI express or have room in there budget for the new MB. Just my 2 cents.

Dom

What a tremendous output so far.

Bart1987

I would (probably) buy one to replace my 9700NP, if there was an AGP x700pro/xt. I would rather have one of those instead of a 9800pro/xt. But ofcourse it would depend on the price of things. If they were priced the same as the pci-e version, or close to that, I would buy one.

davidnsibs

Not sure about in the US but the two sites I use in the UK (overclockers.co.uk and ebuyer.co.uk) dont have any 9800xt's listed so im guessing theres not going to be anymore available. you can buy 9800pros but i can almost match 9800pro scores in 3dmark05 with my 9500pro overclocked. i bought my 9500pro 1 and a half years ago and can play all the games out there nicely (farcry i guess is the most hardware intensive that i own) because it had the best features available, but at a much lower price point than the top of the range 9700pro. if (when!) i upgrade, i want the same. all the latest features, but at a price i can afford. obviously a new graphics card will help my play half life 2 much better than a new cpu/motherboard and i cant afford both at the same time. x800pros aint exactly cheap. so.... sorry for the long post... hopefully the x700 would be the card for me (in agp flavour).

Shinjikun

A fellow 9500 Pro lover.

My 9500 Pro is one of the best pieces of hardware I've owned and I love it to death; however I see an upgrade on the horizon and the X700 would be ideal for me in AGP. If ATi decides to move forward with that card then that's what I'll be getting.

Shadow Lady

besides, right now, at least here in colombia is difficult to see a pci-e mobo for lower than 200 dolars =-I

Shinjikun

Off topic: You're Colombian? From which part? My father is from Cali, he's actually coming back from Colombia today.

Geminiwave

I've been hearing alot of things about PCIe giving "NO MAJOR PERFORMANCE INCREASE" and I had something interesting on my mind...

according to Zardon's benchmarks on a whole mess of radeon cards...the X800XT PE AGP is FASTER in EVERY SINGLE BENCHMARK than the PCIe version. I've seen this true for nVidia cards too in several benchmarks. Its not a BIG difference, but its a noticable one when you look at the numbers. Funny thing is: The ATI cards have native PCIe boards so in theory, the AGP versions should be slower when having to go through that bridge chip. Fact is that they just arent for some reason.

can anyone explain this?

Shinjikun

Of course there will be a performance increase because there is more bandwidth in PCI-e. Right now nothing really uses that bandwidth so there isn't a dramatic performance increase, but later on down the road once more intensive titles start coming out that use the additional memory bandwidth then we'll see the difference.

Right now if you have a decent to fast AGP based system there is nothing to justify the hundreds of dollars required to get 5 more FPS.

Zardon

bear in mind they dont actually make a PCIe XT PE (520/560), only the vanilla XT (500/500). In my tests I benchmarked the PCIe XT standard and overclocked to the same speeds as PE AGP. There are many variables to take into consideration from those benchmarks, one being that although the PCIe rig used in those tests uses the higher frequency DDR2 the latencies are also much higher than the equivalent DDR I used in the AGP which would account for the slightly higher (AGP) scores, getting an identical testbed across platforms was hard.

I would say right now that ATI PCIe isnt "slower" than AGP, just the fact that the AGP systems used to compare have slightly tighter performance overall, after all PCIE is still a platform in its growing stages.

Razgriz

I agree with a lot of the guys here in thinking that ATI should release a x700 AGP card. I think the community would have a HUGE response to this, because the newer games coming out are going to be stressed, because the textures,models,etc. are so demanding

kelticknight

for me at this is clear for me,l have upgraded my case,m-board,cpua nd ram this year.lm happy with it.have no intenion to get pci-e for a couple of years.theirs no reason for me to spend 800 euros or more to rebuild my rig to get pci-e .its new and in growing stages.l work in europes main dell manfacturing plant here in ireland and sell only some of dell's rig going pci-e,mostly gaming rigs.engineers want see how it goes.for me the only item l will change soon is g-card at xmass ati x800xt pe and thats all for a while.will be best part of year before you see games and programs benfit more from pci-e
cheers

BWX

Voters: 4163. You have already voted on this poll

Wow- that's a lot of voters,

Shinjikun

Almost 80% of the DriverHeaven forum members think ATi should bring the X700 to the AGP market... that's saying something.

Blazer

Like the others said, I think that it would be a good idea for ATI to make an agp model available as well, because my curent board/cpu/ram combo doesn't justify upgrading just yet to pci-e, and I am sure allot of other people are in the same boat.

Shadow Lady

more offtopic even: im from bogotá, say hi to your that from my part lol

ontopic again: 3570 votes so far ouyt of the 4562 on total saying yes, please bring us your faithful and loyal users the so wanted x700 agp cards i hope they take us in count =D

Shinjikun

Off topic x3: Bogotá eh? Very cool. I think I have some family there as well.

On topic: So yea, ATi should bring an X700 AGP card to the market.

Geminiwave

Oh okay. Iwas just assuming that because PCIe was in its infancy, the drivers hadnt gotten up to the AGP's quality yet and thats why it was slower.

Shadow Lady

off topic for the 4th time: great, i may know them, destiny works in misterious ways ;p

ontopic once again: please please ATI, we beg you: AGP x700 CARDS !!! =D

RStrada

Please GOD illuminate this people to create this video card in AGP

Shadow Lady

they are iluminated, just not inspired enought

kelticknight

l agree with all who think ati should release agp card x700,spec's are good and so is price.not everyone can afford top end ati cards

Shinjikun

Off topic Episode V: For all we know you might be a relative... Yes destiny does work in mysterious ways.

On topic yet again: Yes ATi you rock! Give us the X700 AGP.

Zardon

All I can say is ATI are aware of this poll and have taken notes

Shinjikun

Wonderful; with ATi being a company that actually LISTENS to their userbase hopefully something good will come of this.

swimtech