Have you moved to Vista yet?

LukeK · Apr 26, 2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by khelben1979

Why would one use a system which requires 2GB of RAM to work correctly and 4GB of RAM if one is really serious about good gaming performance? That really sucks!

It never ceases to give me a chuckle when i read this from ill educated people on the net, sucked into the whole "OMG, I see vista is using 1gb of ram, Windows XP only uses 200 meg!".

You know why? Vista is caching OS functionality so when you come to access features and instruction sets, they are preloaded and ready immediately. Windows XP was always lacking behind various linux distros in regards to this. Many business based Linux operating systems will use all free memory to speed up the responsiveness for the end user. Memory which is needed for other tasks is cleared immediately when required.

Its preadaptive/emptive caching and XP doesn't use it.

**MIG-31** · Apr 26, 2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by khelben1979

Why would one use a system which requires 2GB of RAM to work correctly and 4GB of RAM if one is really serious about good gaming performance? That really sucks!

2GB of top quality/Fast ram is more than enough to run Vista (32 bit) coupled with a decent G/C...For myself am still in two minds to keep with my current setup or double my ram to 4GB since sp1 was released for vista.I just have not seen enough to convince me about this yet.

Switching to a Intel Dual Core cpu 7 months ago did help out Vista's performance greatly.I do agree vista is aimed towards relatively modern pc setups.

But as far as i see from your post. You have said in a similar way to the windows xp's release over windows 98se.A little like Deja vu in some ways.

caqde · Apr 27, 2008, 12:29 AM

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2GB of top quality/Fast ram is more than enough to run Vista (32 bit) coupled with a decent G/C...For myself am still in two minds to keep with my current setup or double my ram to 4GB since sp1 was released for vista.I just have not seen enough to convince me about this yet.

Well if you stay with Vista 32-bit you are only going to see < 1.5GB of that RAM because of your Videocard and if you update it later on to a card with more that 512MB of RAM you are going to see even less of it.

Which makes me wonder why Microsoft even bothered with Vista 32-bit in the first place. There is no place for a 32-bit OS when it comes to the modern computer. Vista is supposed to be a modern OS why is it still 32-bit. I know 2GB is fine for now, but that is now. I don't think Windows 7 is going to come out before most computers have 4GB of RAM so this just makes matters worse. I just hope there is no 32-bit Windows 7 it would just be ridiculous.

***Zardon*** · Apr 27, 2008, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

I just bought the A305 Toshiba with Vista Premium, do you think moving to a 64 bit version is necessary?

No its not necessary. It is certainly a better OS but 32bit Vista Premium should be fine for all your needs. Just be aware if you upgrade to 4GB of ram you will possibly only see around 3GB of it. I bought 2x2gb modules for a bargain price (£40 in total), and have just installed 64bit ultimate on mine. works a treat.

**MIG-31** · Apr 27, 2008, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by caqde

Well if you stay with Vista 32-bit you are only going to see < 1.5GB of that RAM because of your Videocard and if you update it later on to a card with more that 512MB of RAM you are going to see even less of it.

Which makes me wonder why Microsoft even bothered with Vista 32-bit in the first place. There is no place for a 32-bit OS when it comes to the modern computer. Vista is supposed to be a modern OS why is it still 32-bit. I know 2GB is fine for now, but that is now. I don't think Windows 7 is going to come out before most computers have 4GB of RAM so this just makes matters worse. I just hope there is no 32-bit Windows 7 it would just be ridiculous.

i am aware of the ram issues with 32bit..Being self employed and rely heavily on the uk weather.I do want to switch to 64bit vista and upgrade my GC later this year,but that will depend on money.

As my mobo is ATI crossfire ready that may be the route i will go,but requiring 2 GC is going to be quite a fair amount of cash..

Asmoday · Apr 27, 2008, 08:13 AM

Been with Vista since january -07 have not looked back since!

**temeteus82** · Apr 27, 2008, 08:16 AM

I've been using Vista for 11 months now. 6 of them is x64 version and I'm all good!

Evileye · Apr 27, 2008, 11:51 AM

Made the move from XP to Vista64 Bit last month when I built my new rig.
All is well, no real issues to complain about other than some Driver Signing with Rivatuner.
I have to disable Driver Signing at Boot otherwise I can't set the fan speed of my HD3870x2 card.
Other than that, pretty stable although recently I have been having some trouble with ATi driver shutting down then recovering.

Sic Puppy · Apr 27, 2008, 07:10 PM

Chaged to Vista Ultimate 64 2 months ago. Very stable, no driver issues, no real game performace loss vs XP. all in all I'm happy. Just upped my RAM from 2GB to 4GB as my 131MB dreamscene eats the memory

ahsalloum · Apr 27, 2008, 07:49 PM

Vista on the gaming rig, XP on the other. Pretty happy with that.

MitchRapp · Apr 27, 2008, 08:01 PM

Built a new rig in November '07. Installed vista x64 ultimate and that was it for me.
Why install a 6-year old OS when you can install the latest one?

OmegaRED · Apr 27, 2008, 09:04 PM

Running Xp SP3 and will continue to do so until games aren't slower on Vista. I pretty much need to upgrade the cpu and ram to get anything out of Vista so for now I'm dual booting.

khelben1979 · Apr 28, 2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyBatty

What is this "serious stuff" that it can't be done in XP? I'm just curious...

Well... Some of the applications which I use on Linux for serious work is: using GIMP for photo editing and stuff like that. Although, I know that this application exists for Windows and I know that it is working fine. I really like Linux because of it's rock solid stability. Sometimes I have experienced that my WindowsXP machine crashes and that the Linux machine don't. And it's not fun working on things when the system just goes down. That's what I mean by being able to work seriously with Linux.

**Mousey** · Apr 28, 2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by caqde

Well if you stay with Vista 32-bit you are only going to see < 1.5GB of that RAM because of your Videocard and if you update it later on to a card with more that 512MB of RAM you are going to see even less of it.

Which makes me wonder why Microsoft even bothered with Vista 32-bit in the first place. There is no place for a 32-bit OS when it comes to the modern computer. Vista is supposed to be a modern OS why is it still 32-bit. I know 2GB is fine for now, but that is now. I don't think Windows 7 is going to come out before most computers have 4GB of RAM so this just makes matters worse. I just hope there is no 32-bit Windows 7 it would just be ridiculous.

Wrong, i'd love to move to the 64 bit version of vista because i'd love to fully utilise my memory and be able to render like x2 faster with C4D x64.
However the forced driver signing is so damned intrusive i can't get a single device working on my system. I followed a method on the web to use command prompt which should fully disable the driver signing checks but even this failed and windows was screaming at me for trying to use an unsigned driver on it.

I also tried using the F8 disable driver signing thing and that failed somehow, unless microsoft completely do away with driver signing then i'm not oging to bother with the 64 bit offerings.

how do you guys disable driver signing if you do? I might try 64 bit again at some point if i can find a reliable way of doing it.

**temeteus82** · Apr 28, 2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mousey

Wrong, i'd love to move to the 64 bit version of vista because i'd love to fully utilise my memory and be able to render like x2 faster with C4D x64.
However the forced driver signing is so damned intrusive i can't get a single device working on my system. I followed a method on the web to use command prompt which should fully disable the driver signing checks but even this failed and windows was screaming at me for trying to use an unsigned driver on it.

I also tried using the F8 disable driver signing thing and that failed somehow, unless microsoft completely do away with driver signing then i'm not oging to bother with the 64 bit offerings.

how do you guys disable driver signing if you do? I might try 64 bit again at some point if i can find a reliable way of doing it.

If you have SP1 installed then the driver signing can't be disabled at all.

Cow_160483 · Apr 28, 2008, 08:32 AM

I voted no coz am running XP X64 and it kicks all the way from here to there!

What are the main advantages of vista over XP? I never really got into the Hype.

PangingJr · Apr 28, 2008, 08:51 AM

a few days ago i watched a discovery channel show about the Beijing new airport terminal,
and there was a test running show on the very hugh passenger baggage systems, it came to my surprise, well, if i were not mistaken, i saw a few times on several monitors that, the OS's that were in use by the system in monitoring the baggage systems was XP's.
i kinda figured and assumed that the whole system were not based on XP, but i mean with that kind of know-how and a very, very high investment costs, i'm still wondering, what makes them choose XP's over other OS's.

Paladin06 · Apr 28, 2008, 11:47 AM

No, and I have no plans to.

**dj_stick** · Apr 28, 2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pluvious

Nope.. and I will never switch. I'll goto Apple before I do.

haha that's exactly what i did... but for different reasons, moved to OSX so I could get a newer version of Logic running so I could ditch XP once and for all

GeneralClaymore · Apr 29, 2008, 01:12 AM

Been using Vista for a long time now, And I dont regret it at all. I only installed Xp on another partition so I can use my XtremeTv turner.

When I get time I just gonna slap in my Msi tv turner which does have Vista 64 drivers,and get rid of my Xp partition for good.

redsolar · Apr 29, 2008, 11:38 AM

Have been using Vista x64 for some time now. Really like having all 8GB RAM back :P.

On laptops - still prefer XP though, on Desktops, very happy with Vista

PC_Inquisitor · Apr 29, 2008, 04:24 PM

I tried Vista Ultimate in my main rig but... comaptibility issues and the lack of full support for my sound card (Audigy 2 ZS Platinumo Pro) made me return to XP...
Today, with SP3 out, I'm thinking keep myself on XP a long long time

XP Rules!!

khelben1979 · Apr 29, 2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PC_Inquisitor

I tried Vista Ultimate in my main rig but... comaptibility issues and the lack of full support for my sound card (Audigy 2 ZS Platinumo Pro) made me return to XP...
Today, with SP3 out, I'm thinking keep myself on XP a long long time

XP Rules!!

Nice to read that people prefer XP towards Vista. Vista looks good outside, but inside... it's a bad operating system. To be honest I don't know so much about Vista as someone in this thread already has mentioned(I confess!), but XP works really good with all the latest patches which has been installed into XP. I have had bad experience from XP in the past and I have had many bad crashes(ouch!), but nowadays it works really good! I haven't had a serious crash for several months! I don't know what they have done, but XP feels far more stable today than what it did last year.

Is Vista better than Windows XP when it comes to the total memory it can handle? Anyone knows good facts about this?

Cow_160483 · Apr 30, 2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by khelben1979

Is Vista better than Windows XP when it comes to the total memory it can handle? Anyone knows good facts about this?

This is a good question that I would also like to know the answer to. Any one out tyhere who can help?

**temeteus82** · Apr 30, 2008, 03:08 AM

Vista Ultimate, Business and Enterprise x64 can handle up to 128 Gb of memory if my memory serves me right. And Home Basic up to 8Gb and Home Premium up to 16Gb. Note that they all are 64-bit versions of Vista. The 32-bit is limited to 4Gb.

khelben1979 · Apr 30, 2008, 07:56 AM

This means that people need to get Windows Vista Ultimate in order to have an operating system which can handle as much RAM as Linux has been to handle for years... Ridiculous.

The standard version of Vista should offer what the ultimate version can offer.

blkskull · Apr 30, 2008, 10:38 AM

I bought a copy when I built my new system. I had problems immediately and they never stopped. I gave it two months and after two months of constantly fighting with it I went back to XP 32, I may in the future go to XP 64. As far as Vista I don't know if I'll ever go back, maybe I'll wait for Windoz 7 but the one positive thing I can say about Vista is it's the prettiest piece of garbage you'll ever buy.

Judas · Apr 30, 2008, 10:52 AM

Don't forget Microsoft will likely lift the restrictions of how much a system can handle via service packs in the future.

Same way that It lifted the restrictions on windows xp home edittion from being able to create and install itself on an NTFS system.

**temeteus82** · Apr 30, 2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by khelben1979

This means that people need to get Windows Vista Ultimate in order to have an operating system which can handle as much RAM as Linux has been to handle for years... Ridiculous.

The standard version of Vista should offer what the ultimate version can offer.

Does normal user need 128 GB of RAM?? No! I think that the current limits are good enough for the avarage joe and his needs...

khelben1979 · Apr 30, 2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Does normal user need 128 GB of RAM?? No! I think that the current limits are good enough for the avarage joe and his needs...

Perhaps.. perhaps.

Apr 27, 2008, 08:13 AM	#36
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Evileye DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Made the move from XP to Vista64 Bit last month when I built my new rig. All is well, no real issues to complain about other than some Driver Signing with Rivatuner. I have to disable Driver Signing at Boot otherwise I can't set the fan speed of my HD3870x2 card. Other than that, pretty stable although recently I have been having some trouble with ATi driver shutting down then recovering. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition / Vista X64 / Asus M3A32-MVP WIFI / Saphire Radeon 3870X2 / 2x2GB Kingston DDR2 800 Mhz / Antec Quatro 850W PSU / 2xWD 500 GB HD / Thermaltake Tsunami Dream case / 32" Daytek LCD

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Sic Puppy As Sic as Puppies Get Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Two Islands To The Right Of Australia, Where They Made Lord Of The Rings Posts: 160 Rep Power: 38 System Specs	Chaged to Vista Ultimate 64 2 months ago. Very stable, no driver issues, no real game performace loss vs XP. all in all I'm happy. Just upped my RAM from 2GB to 4GB as my 131MB dreamscene eats the memory __________________ Les: This is Les Grossman, who is this? Kidnapper: THIS IS FLAMING DRAGON! Les: Oh, Okay, Flaming Dragon. Fkface. First, take a big step back... and literally FK YOUR OWN FACE! Les Grossman - Tropic Thunder

Apr 27, 2008, 09:04 PM	#42
OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,741 Rep Power: 82 System Specs	Running Xp SP3 and will continue to do so until games aren't slower on Vista. I pretty much need to upgrade the cpu and ram to get anything out of Vista so for now I'm dual booting. __________________

Apr 28, 2008, 08:32 AM	#46
Cow_160483 DH's only cow moooooo... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: BOTSWANA Posts: 3,633 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	I voted no coz am running XP X64 and it kicks all the way from here to there! What are the main advantages of vista over XP? I never really got into the Hype. __________________ Decode! Muhahahahah!

Apr 27, 2008, 07:49 PM	#40
ahsalloum DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	Vista on the gaming rig, XP on the other. Pretty happy with that.

Apr 27, 2008, 08:01 PM	#41
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 879 Rep Power: 35 System Specs	Built a new rig in November '07. Installed vista x64 ultimate and that was it for me. Why install a 6-year old OS when you can install the latest one?

Apr 28, 2008, 08:51 AM	#47
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 55	a few days ago i watched a discovery channel show about the Beijing new airport terminal, and there was a test running show on the very hugh passenger baggage systems, it came to my surprise, well, if i were not mistaken, i saw a few times on several monitors that, the OS's that were in use by the system in monitoring the baggage systems was XP's. i kinda figured and assumed that the whole system were not based on XP, but i mean with that kind of know-how and a very, very high investment costs, i'm still wondering, what makes them choose XP's over other OS's.

Apr 28, 2008, 11:47 AM	#48
Paladin06 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 86 Rep Power: 0	No, and I have no plans to. __________________ WinXP-SP2 P4 3.4 @ 3.5 PE800CE-A GeForce 7800GS OC 1 Gig PC3200 (Corsair) Audigy Gamer 5.1 Creative Inspire 5700 Sound system 19" SyncMaster LCD 931B Monitor Razor Krait Gaming Mouse 80 and 60 gig ATA 100 HD MSI 48x16x48 CDROM ARTEC 16x DVD-ROM EIDE

Apr 29, 2008, 01:12 AM	#50
GeneralClaymore DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 431 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Been using Vista for a long time now, And I dont regret it at all. I only installed Xp on another partition so I can use my XtremeTv turner. When I get time I just gonna slap in my Msi tv turner which does have Vista 64 drivers,and get rid of my Xp partition for good. __________________

Apr 29, 2008, 11:38 AM	#51
redsolar Off duty Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 1,252 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Have been using Vista x64 for some time now. Really like having all 8GB RAM back :P. On laptops - still prefer XP though, on Desktops, very happy with Vista __________________ Real_Men_Do_Not_Use_Space_Bar Main rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.6 GHz (Zerotherm Nirvana NV120) \| 2x2GB Mushkin + 2x2GB Corsair DDR2-800 5-5-5-18 \| Abit IP35 Pro \| XFX 8800GTS 512 800/1100 \| 2x160GB Seagate 7200.9 RAID1 + Hitachi 1TB 32MB \| NEC SATA DVD+RW + Xbox 360 USB HD DVD Drive \| Antec TruePower Quattro 850W PSU \| Antec Nine Hundred Case \| 3x 24" LCD (Dell 2407WFP + 2x StarLogic) \| Logitech Z-5500 \| Vista Business x64 Laptop: Dell Vostro 1500 \| Core 2 Duo T7500 \| 2.5 GB RAM \| nVidia GeForce 8600M GT \| 200GB 7200 RPM \| DVDRW \| 15.4" 1680x1050 LCD \| XP Pro

Apr 29, 2008, 04:24 PM	#52
PC_Inquisitor DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mexico City Posts: 90 Rep Power: 29	I tried Vista Ultimate in my main rig but... comaptibility issues and the lack of full support for my sound card (Audigy 2 ZS Platinumo Pro) made me return to XP... Today, with SP3 out, I'm thinking keep myself on XP a long long time XP Rules!!

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khelben1979 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 72 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	This means that people need to get Windows Vista Ultimate in order to have an operating system which can handle as much RAM as Linux has been to handle for years... Ridiculous. The standard version of Vista should offer what the ultimate version can offer. Last edited by khelben1979; Apr 30, 2008 at 08:01 AM.

Apr 30, 2008, 10:38 AM	#57
blkskull DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Vista I bought a copy when I built my new system. I had problems immediately and they never stopped. I gave it two months and after two months of constantly fighting with it I went back to XP 32, I may in the future go to XP 64. As far as Vista I don't know if I'll ever go back, maybe I'll wait for Windoz 7 but the one positive thing I can say about Vista is it's the prettiest piece of garbage you'll ever buy. __________________ EVGA nForce 680i SLI 775 A1 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 EVGA 880GTS 512 Seagate 500gb SataII WD 500gb SataII Samsung DVD/RW Lite-on 32-12-40 CD/RW Win/XP Pro 4096 DDR2 800 Ram OCZ GameXStream Power Supply

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