Now the cross is banned

Zardon

so let me just clarify. you feel that it is ok (and insignificant) for authorities to tell a native english girl to remove her religious emblems, a gift incidentally given to her by her mother, yet her co students are wearing muslim and other relgious artifacts. You also feel it is ok for a country to be losing its traditions to appease people who have moved into the country from other places?

Sometimes you need to look at these things and see the bigger picture just around the corner.

Sandok

No that's what I mean that we must stop fretting over small things? Why SHOULDN'T a girl where a cross? Why IS the goverment doing this? That's the small things....

It's just wrong and you gotta wonder what's the cause. This is freedom of speach flying out the window...

Vikingod

amen. (zing!)

pr0digal jenius

that would require the government remove it's tunnel vision goggles


incidentally, perhaps they are mroe offended at our invasions of their countries then they are our use of santa clause and jewelry? Maybe I'm just crazy though

GutterPunk

I'd like to say PJ and Z those are some good reads

and i agree w/ you 2... sheesh i learned more reading this than i have in the last 3 months


I have so much to say but I can't think of all the words... but this whole muslim vs christian or even religion vs gov't thing is like the whole black vs white thing that we still deal w/ today...

Affirmative action
For us whites in the US it has backfired... we could never live w/ a tv station called White entertainment television or have "All White scholarships"

i feel this is going in the same direction

Falstaff

I have said this before and I will say it again...Mighty Rome fell for just such a reason, it became culturally diluted, it lost it's collective identity....
and so will the free world if we cannot learn to establish boundries, and refrain from showing religious preference or deference to merely remain politically correct.

Vikingod

we can all hope jeff, we can all hope...

Necrosis

The minority rules the majority. It's the new way of things.

pr0digal jenius

plurality is te new wy to go, yes.


Screw majority...if my 28% beats your 26%...i clearly must be the one and only way to do things.....

Falstaff

EEEEEEEKKKKKKKK

the "P" word again

calidan

Is it Tom Wolfe? I saw this the other day.

"A cult is a religion with no political power."

The Quotations Page

Pompey

Im an atheist, liberal and secularist and im with you all, this is ridiculous. Im not particularly fond of religion but I believe everyone has the right to believe what they want to. I dont care if someone wants to wear a cross or hijab - it’s their choice.

I cant understand why liberals would support something like this. Stopping someone from wearing a piece of jewelry is hardly liberal. I would like to know if it was Muslims/ other minorities who pushed for this or was it the government worrying that they might be offended.

Since its been brought up our education system has been redone so you can’t fail a subject. There’s no pass or fail mark. You can pass or fail ("not achieve") an individual unit like algebra but not a subject like Math or English.

Im glad to say we still say Christmas here. It’s more capitalist than Christian but the modern version always has been (we say 'Santa Claus' wrong too).


I also find the Muslim view of the world interesting. They constantly complain about western colonialism (or Christian colonialism as they remember it) and the war in Iraq. They claim its a western war against the Arab/Islamic world etc but they see no problem when it was their armies marching Eastward and knocking on the gates of Vienna. They still haven’t gotten over the fact that THEY LOST.


I thought this picture was appropriate:

EDIT: for some reason the image wont work so here it is:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...c-grinchpc.htm

IvanV

Interesting stuff...

Thanks for the lesson, PJ.

And I would never have guessed why it is wrong to say "blackboard" had someone not written "darker than grey, but not racist".

As for the bigger picture, I couldn't help but remember what some guy I didn't listen to very carefully was talking on the TV a few nights ago: That large corporations are trying to wipe out all national identity in order to create a unified work class. Now, forgetting the work class thing, actions we're discussing here certainly lead to destroying national identity. The fact that people will rebel against this only helps the process: the loudest objecters will be the extreme nationalists, as someone already noticed, which will help to disqualify all those who oppose the new policy.
I'm not sure if it's all really like this, but if it's not, then people who make such regulations are just stupid, beacusse they do create the feeling that the people are being opressed in their own country and bad atmosphere in the society. So, whether the people who managed to get ellected by you (it still hasn't gone this far in my country) have things on their minds other than your well being, or you just woted for a bunch of retards is a question everyone will have to answer by oneself. (And yes, I know that not all of you voted for your current leaders, but since this is happening in almost every western country, I don't think that those others you voted for would be any different.)

Al_Vampyre

I belive that 'chalkboard' is the acceptable way of now saying 'blackboard' (although I would point out that 'blackboard' is technically correct - it is after all a black board - and not a board constructed of chalk - should really be 'chalking-board')

In my view this is just another case of political correctness gone mad, people are different, and as long as people accept that those differences are all valid then none of this should arise. A christian or a muslim should have exactly the same rights to wear exactly what they please and it really shouldn't make any difference to anyone what their choice is.

swimtech

Here's a take on the why of the child being told to remove her symbol - and it is happening here in the US a lot too - the authorities want to force people to 'give way' to the 'new' religions in western nations.

The authorities, along with the majority of the people in western nations will still have their religion (you can't take away the heart and mind of an individual), but Christians (in particular nowadays...) will not be allowed to 'flaunt' it in front of those who were oppressed by western nations over the past 1000 years whose primary religion is Christianity. Call it religious affirmative action.

I don't like it - at it's core the policy is unfair - kind of... The policy (unstated in writing...) seems to say "We were unfair to you for so long, now we will mandate an unfairness upon ourselves (the majority) to make up for the unfairness you have suffered". One unfairness, or inequality, is being traded for another instead of immediately leveling the 'playing field' in equality.

This compensation policy negates the power, and leaves out the procedure, of asking for and receiving forgiveness - which ideally (I think...) is the most individually empowering concept in all of time and history. Certainly, if an unfairness is encountered, a restitution should be made to the wronged, and I think that is part of what we are seeing being worked through. But leaving out the 'forgiveness factor' lets the anger remain in the hearts and minds of both the one who has commited the wrong (because rights are being taken away that they should have), and the one who has been wronged (because the compensatory actions take time to sink in...).

Governments can't legislate forgiveness - it has to come from the heart of a living, feeling, unique individual. And for a societal wrong commited over time, from many individuals at once on both sides of an argument (or a war...).

The child, in this case, is caught in the middle of all this - and likely doesn't understand...

Mr cairo

hate to say it zardon m8 but in britain these days people born in the UK are becoming the minority and the eithnic minority ( as they are refered to ) are actually starting to outnumber us

starting to feel like a forigner in my own country

Esaz666

These idiots in power are allways telling us what to do,
all you have to do is listen to what they tell us and do the opposite.
The the Uk is full of economic migrants as well as people seeking asylum.
Its our own countrys policies (past and present ) what have caused this situation.
So we cannot moan about the flood of people when in the past we have plundered their countries and supported corrupt regimes when it suited us.

Some parts of my city (Sheffield, uk) are becoming more dangerous,a couple of my friends have been attacked by somalian youths and messed up pretty bad in the last few weeks on 2 seperate incidents.1 had to go to hospital after having his head repeatably stamped,they didnt even rob him,just mashed him up. This guy was not wet either, he's a forty year old guy in good shape.

Sheffield used to be a safe city to walk around, not really safe anymore, but thats the way things r going now.

SFOSOK

When will it end?


I mean come on. It seems the world has tried so hard to pull away from what it was created on that it is trying to eradicate it completely. So now it is fair to restrict any "Christian" from living and worshiping how they believe to alow everyone else to live as freely as they like. It is becoming harder and harder to be a Christian or even believe there is a higher power.

I seriously can't believe this is happening, almost no one is fighting for what they believe in anymore. Long ago there was a thought that keeping an idea and belief alive was worth dieing for.



I hate to say it, but maybe the end times are actually drawing closer. Everyday it gets worse.




Guess all I can do is pray and leave it in his hands (though I hate to do that, I don't have much choice anymore).

Edit:
If minorities are a majority then there is no need for a democratic party anymore... I don't blame this on the Democrats (though it would be easy to do so). If you stand up because you think the world should actually be fair you are labeled as a racist. I still can't believe that whole sevrence tax that "white" Americans would have had to pay all the "black" americans. The Minorities are large enough to fight for themselves now, NAACP has no purpose.




Anyway, if your Christian or not this should not be accepted. You can't just take away freedoms from people just because they are Christian. Since when is it so bad to be a loving Christian?

Iria

My two cents is that a lot of things nowadays are "political correctness" carried to the extreme.

Examples:

a) Trying to remove "God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. Give me a break. I don't particularly care one way or the other, but don't we have something better to spend our taxpayer dollars and Supreme Court time on?

b) Same Guy - remove "In God We Trust" from US Money. Same argument as above. Also, what are we going to do, burn all the paper money and melt all the old coins to satisfy this guy?

c) No more Christmas parties at school. What's the big deal? Sure there are other denominations but they were around when I was a kid and no one made a big deal about it. Perhaps they need to stop showing "A Christmas Carol" on TV, too.

On and on. Can't think of anything else but I know there's plenty more stuff like this that grinds my gears.

Drakon

Maybe we should get rid of Christmas on a whole. Lets see the reactions to a decision like that...

Captn

Amen!