Pedophile Priests - Mature Content

TJ-

These are the kinds of things that Archdiocese priests did to children:

• A girl, 11 years old, was raped by her priest and became pregnant. The Father took her in for an abortion.

• A 5th-grader was molested by her priest inside the confessional booth.

• A teenage girl was groped by her priest while she lay immobilized in traction in a hospital bed. The priest stopped only when the girl was able to ring for a nurse.

• A boy was repeatedly molested in his own school auditorium, where his priest/teacher bent the boy over and rubbed his genitals against the boy until the priest ejaculated.

• A priest, no longer satisfied with mere pederasty, regularly began forcing sex on two boys at once in his bed.

• A boy woke up intoxicated in a priest’s bed to find the Father sucking on his penis while three other priests watched and masturbated themselves.

• A priest offered money to boys in exchange for sadomasochism – directing them to place him in bondage, to “break” him, to make him their “slave,” and to defecate so that he could lick excrement from them.

• A 12-year-old, who was raped and sodomized by his priest, tried to commit suicide, and remains institutionalized in a mental hospital as an adult.

• A priest told a 12-year-old boy that his mother knew of and had agreed to the priest’s repeated rape of her son.

• A boy who told his father about the abuse his younger brother was suffering was beaten to the point of unconsciousness. “Priests don’t do that,” said the father as he punished his son for what he thought was a vicious lie against the clergy.

The Grand Jury Report

Confession Anyone?

TJ-

Just letting people know the truth mods... Delete if you want to hide the truth...

dj_stick

if this thread IS deleted it won't be to hide the truth, it will be to shield the younger members of the site here from the disturbing content

as it stands i am willing to let this discussion continue for the time being

Dark Lord

itll turn into a flame war, i can tell you that much. it also holds truth in it too.

TJ-

Of course it holds truth, its a report from the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania - Criminal Trial Division. That PDF is a court document.

Aint religion and god a beautiful thing...

they should know the truth, and what is being hidden from them. Would you want your child to be one of the victems?

AttroPheed

I don't think there could be a flame war because it would mean you're taking the side of child rapists. Believers kinda just have to ignore this one I guess. Or delete it.

br00ksintexas

While I agree that the report is the truth, Zion, I disagree that it's because of" Religion and GOD being a beautiful thing". I've personally seen no where in the bible where it says for preists to become pedophiles. Have you seen it? If so, please pass the scripture on to the rest of us. I wonder if anyone out there has ever researched the number of clergy ( of any and all faiths) vs. the number of those prosecuted or even accused of sex crimes.I for one would welcome those findings, as I'm somewhat curious about the ratio.

Also, I'd like to point out, that I doubt anyone on this board, religious or not, wouldn't know about situations like these, if they even half-way follow the local and national news. It's hardly groundbreaking reporting at this point.
And Attro, if you weren't so bitter towards religious folk, you wouldn't always ASSume they'd disbelieve anything that was negative about the clergy. People from all walks become clergy of all faiths. Wouldn't it be likely for sexual predators to hide in the cloth just as they hide in society in general? Or, does someone being in the clergy mean they're more likely to be a pedophile instead of a normal human being?

I know I'm religious. I've yet to say anything negative about any of the facts posted about religion or religious people, whether in support or opposition of religion. Why do non-religious folk on this board choose to bring in their own opinionated negativity, when the facts they post, like the one's we see here this morning, speak for themself without the added b.s.

Peace

swimtech

Threre's sick minded people everywhere, including those who make their living in the church...

mkk

And there is a point in this somewhere?

AttroPheed

wha??

Well 'god' is everywhere, why doesnt He stop it instead of just watching? He can't even stop something happening in a church? Or with his infinite wisdom and power just make child rape not exist at all? If anything, by allowing it to exist and allowing it to take place in his own home, God is in favor of child rape. If a mother knowingly allows her child to be raped it's criminal negligence but if god does it, it's all part of a 'grand plan'.

AttroPheed

How about: "priest's shouldnt rape kids"?

swimtech

Realistically, God is not doing it - people are - come on... The Lord has set the rules - it's up to us to obey them - or not...

Your statement that God is in favor of child rape because of any circumstance or because He chooses to use, or not use, His influence or power is your opinion. I disagree that God is in favor of child rape, but he obvioiusly does choose to allow people to do that - terrible though those people's actions are. I don't know why...

SFOSOK

How bout no one should rape kids.

Edit: Or anyone for that matter

AttroPheed

I assumed he was only defending them because they were priests. I didn't want to infer that he was perhaps in favor of all child rape.

We'll the bible seems to make no mention of it so I suppose it's fine.

mike2h

before making such uninformed statements do some research. your are entitled ot your opinion, but if you are going to have one like that & state it publically you should base it on some sort of fact & not your gut reaction.
you will find in almost all religions that we are basically put here to make choices- good or bad. according to how you worship, god has given guidlines through various texts. it is up to us as to how we do/dont follow these guidlines. it basically comes down to our use of free choice. this is what it has always been about. the choices you make have consequences now & later. if, as you want, free choice is taken away there is no reason to be here. period.
your belief that things like this are gods fault is one of the larger religous based fallacies floating around out there. while it is understandable, & something that i have felt myself, it is just not part of the big picture. we have to be able to make our choices & be judged by them.
I also beleive that there will be someting especially nasty in the afterlife waiting for priests/clerics/etc that use their position in such a way.

pr0digal jenius

first off, kudos for the interesting conversation. keep it clean, and we'll keep it open...start whinging, and we'll do otherwise.

"why doesn't god do something"
Why doesn't god give everyone enough food to eat? Why doesn't god keep crimes from happening? Why...why....why

BECAUSE:
-We are not automatons....we were given free will
-God set everything in motion, this does NOT mean he actively partakes in everything

AttroPheed

So then what's the deal with prayer? Why ask for anything if you get nothing?

mike2h

who says you get nothing? sometimes it is just a comfort & sometimes they are answered. i can personally vouch for this.
you sound like you want a god who makes all your decisions for you & corrects all your mistakes & makes everything wrong in your life right.
if this was true, what would be your purpose?
once you have children you should be able to answer this question for yourself.

AttroPheed

Aren't questions research? I expected these theories to be shot down because there must be some sort of system in place to excuse an absolute power wielding god from sitting idly by. i guess the answer to my question is as follows:

Very convenient. If even the teachers of the superstition have trouble with it you can see where I went wrong.

Actually my belief is that god doesn't exist. This would be why he doesn't do anything. As for 'religious based fallacy', well, is there 'religious based fact'? At it's best organized religion is sophistical nonsense meant to scare people into being 'good' with superstition.

That voice you hear is rationality. It's not part of the big picture because faith requires that you ignore it.

mike2h

yes & no. if you were truly interested in learning something you would go talk to people that teach/research religion. instead of coming to an internet sire with the name of 'driverheaven'. you would also spend the time yourself researching your questions instead of expecting somebody else to do your work for you.
90% of religion is faith based. arguing that point is a waste of time. you either have faith that there is a higher being guiding us or you dont. you either learn through life experiences that is some things happens for a reason & some dont, or you dont. you believe there is an after life & a reward/punishment system for all our choices or you dont. i am not here to change your mind either way. but if your disbelief of god is based on the fact that you think he should be constantly interfering in our lives & righting all the wrongs we, as free willed beings make, then you truly have no concept of why we are here as related to religion.
bty, were, exactly does god stepping in & taking away our choices/free will end? just priest molesters? all molesters? how about mass murders? drunk drivers? theives? people that cheat on their home work? people who cheat on their spouses? jaywalkers? once you start, were does it end. what about people like yourself that do not believe in god. would you like that choice taken from you?

AttroPheed

Actually I know plenty about how religion works as I grew up with it and as an american was surrounded by it. (You don't just wake up one day as an atheist.) I'm actually only asking questions to point out the convenience of religion's contrived, elementary answers. I read about religion quite a bit even now because the concept fascinates me to no end. I learned a great deal about creationism, intelligent design and other general stuff in an earlier thread here at driverheaven. Not from my opponents mind you but from researching their argument for them because they were obviously unwilling to do so for themselves. The reason I keep coming back to driverheaven is because I'm a member of about a dozen forums but driverheaven is far and away the most religious. It's a chance for me to be around people that I wouldn't normally get to be around and get the latest tech news.

And the other 10%? Rationalization?

Actually I think humanity is the answer to humanity's problems. "God" is just an excuse to not care.

mike2h

no, belief in what you see & experience around you & in your personal life.

i agree with the 1st part of your statement. we create our own problems & we fix our own problems. people get stronger by overcoming adversity, not by bowing down to it. whatever means they use, religous or otherwise, it is what brings humanity as whole together for a common good.
your 2nd part is about as wrong as you can get. true belief in a religous system is what helps people to care & to unite in teir caring for other people. it gives them tools to work with that might have not otherwise been available to them.
not sure what to tell you you seem to have a negative view about life in general. you do not believe in god but blame in for our mistakes. if you are not blaming him then you must blame the 'humanity' that you seem to believe in. you obviously abhor the crimes mentioned here & i would assume that would carry through to other viloating & harmful type crime too. what is your opinion of humanity for allowing all these horrible things to happen. since you obviously want to blame somebody other than the perpetrators whose fault is it?
bty, you never did answer me about how far should god interfering with our free choice go.

SFOSOK

I stopped reading your guys posts at the first one. This is about a great deal of horrible acts and how those reflect on the Catholic Church as a whole, not who ever can disect each other's posts more to be the last one posting on an inactive thread (which it may soon be)