Pledge ruled unconstitutional

pr0digal jenius

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/14/pl....ap/index.html

bout damn time someone figured that 1 out

Zelig

My thoughts exactly.

Ev!L-aLphA

oh my goodness what a stupid thing to do... seriously its only a word.. WHO CARES if u say it or not!

im still gonna say it cuz im cool.

br00ksintexas

I was listening to a local talk radio show today (In the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex area), and one of the talent made a pretty good point about this subject. Would all of us[color=White] [color=Red]Ame[/color]ric[color=DarkSlateBlue]ans[/color][/color] who are proud to recite the Pledge of Allegiance be willing to say "One Nation, Under Allah", or "One Nation, Under Muhammed". or "One Nation, Under Buddah". It atleast makes some sense when you think of it that way.
More than likely, this will be overturned. If not, it would leave way for a precedence for "In God We Trust" on all of our American currency, and we all know that the Treasury Dept. isn't going to do a massive recall of all monies past and current.

Ev!L-aLphA

god can be allah god can be jesus god can be buddah god can be jehova.... all of those are basicaly god with different names in different religions.

CDsDontBurn

i totally agree. this nation is made up of many people who don't necessarily have the same god(s) that we do. or some people just don't believe in a higher being. They shouldn't have the "under god" phrase inserted and have it apply to everybody.

it would have to be a slow and gradual process. $1 bills take at most 6 months to be destroyed, $5 bills 18 months, $10 bills 2yrs. $20 bills 4 yrs. and both $50 and $100 bills take about 5-6yrs. to go through the system before they are destroyed. Coins however, would take longer, they can last as much as 30yrs. or more to be destroyed. Why do you think you'll find a 1976 coin every once in a while?

SFOSOK

No one is forced to say it, fuckin athiests are whiny bitches. This country was founded under God because our founding fathers founded the US under God. This judge has no right to change the pledge of alligiance. If I were still in school I would stand up and say the pledge every single class by myself. This country is being torn down by the very principals that hold it up just to make some people happy. Thats like saying I don't like what this certain school is doin so they should change their whole policy for me.






This nation was founded under God and that law won't change that.

pr0digal jenius

yall are confusing od and god, first of all.

God is the christian god. god is a nondescript higher being, and yes little god can be mohommed, etc....but uhh, buddha isnt a god


as for the pledge, it always struck me as being srt of communistic in how we recited it every morning in unison

AdrianoG

Fuck yeah! God i hate those whiney liberal bitches, complaining about an addition to the Pledge of Allegiance, damn them! how dare they complain, that president Dwight D. Eisenhower add "Under God" to the pledge. years after the founding fathers died. I guess it was his ability to speak with the dead that allowed him to know exactly what the founding fathers wanted to change in the country.

What really gets me is how they can complain when even the bill of rights is against them! "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

So yeah, please don't speak without knowing the fucking facts.

Also if you want to know why the judge did this instead of just complaing here's the reason

"The finding said that the words "one nation under God" violate the right to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God.""

So it's not that everybody hates god and your a poor minority being christian, it's that people who don't believe in God shouldn't have to say it.

Here in Canada we have an Oath as well, but we are allowed to omit the part "So help me God" because we know that not everyone believes in him. so it'd be odd to force them to say it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of...e_%28Canada%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

AttroPheed

Actually I remember being forced to say the pledge of allegience every day I attended school for 12 years. The only people that weren't were the 2 jehovas witnesses in my sophomore earth science class.
Like the "whiny" inteligent design fucktards?

br00ksintexas

Has anyone here got any kind of actual proof that anyone's ever , I repeat EVER, been actually forced to recite any or all of the Pledge? I know you have to stand for it, out of respect, but I've never once heard of anyone actually physically forced to say it, though.

AttroPheed

Have you ever been physically forced to pay taxes? Perhaps a simple threat of retribution is enough for the flag salute as well.

SFOSOK

If you are weak enough to give into threats then you are weak enough to do something against your own beliefs. Atheists seem to be the most whiny, selfish, self-righteous, and moronic people I have ever met. They don't care if something may be true or not, as long as it has nothing to do with God then they are all for it.

If any thing is anti-god or religion in anyway they jump on it and try to smash it to the ground to give themselves pride that they destroyed something that was beautiful.



Thing is, most christians are tolerant or other beliefs, most atheists are not, if they even see the word God in a history book they believe it should be re-written.

CDsDontBurn

i think it's the other way around. myself being an atheist, i respect other people's beliefs. i actually find christians and catholics to be the most intolerant people i've met. they say things like "we must help our brothers" and later turn around and so something immoral to then later say "i'm christian/catholic, i will be forgiven". i see this more with christians than with catholics.

however, i don't think that the flag salute should have "under god" in it because not everybody is christian/catholic. people who live here in the united states come from all over the world, where their religion may not be catholic or christian.

that's just what i think about the whole thing. flame me if you must, but that is just my own personal input.

AdrianoG

Well Said! I was going to reply to his post but you've said everything i was going to. I just want to add, that the reason i'm opposed to the "under god", is partly because not everyone is christian, and the other part is because there shouldn't be anything religious about politics. Just like their is no religion in science.

br00ksintexas

Again, there's no way to enforce reciting the Pledge, and there's never been any attempt to do so. Aren't most societies (both children and adults) proud of their national patronage? Don't most nations have some sort of pledge? The lawsuit, in my honest opinion, was to make a point more than anything. If the person who filed it didn't like his child saying it, then he couldv'e simply told them to abstian from it vocally, right? Like I've already said, no one is making them say it. This type of lawsuit, to me, goes hand in hand with hate crime laws. Has anyone seen a black man arrested and prosecuted in America for a hate crime? Now, how many whites have been? How many gay bashers vs. gays themselves? It's placating to someone that is needing to be coddled by society. There's tons of stuff I as a man I am somewhat against. Being a black man, there's even more. But, as an adult human, I know how to filter it out internally to where it doesn't affect me in the least. At some point, common sense should be used, before crying to the courts.

Who here will admit, that if someone actually forced you to say daily "One Country, Under (let's say) Flying Monkeys", that you would actually end up believing it? Just because you say something in mass, doesn't mean you take stock in it, does it? Eh, to each their own.

AttroPheed

Why don't I believe you?
Oh, right.

AttroPheed

He's not arguing against the pledge. He's arguing against the "under god." He thinks its unconstitutional to have "god" in a public school in a country where the goverment made a promise that one shouldn't have to worry about such things. Granted it would never convert even the simplest of minds to christianity. It's just a little strange that it's there in light of that whole 'first amendment thing.'

The_Neon_Cowboy

THAT JUDGE SHOULD BE SHOT!

Religion is the glue that hold society togeather for more then "law".
The US goverment was founded on the belive of GOD but accpeted
you regardless of what you belived,. God is all over the courthouses
includeing the one that ruled on this case. It's on our money, when you
"swear in" to office or to testify it over a bible.

the only people who could be offened by god being thee are the like minority
of us who don't have any belive in any god. If they cant to see how belife in god
a religion keeps public order they shouldn't be in ANY public offices

AttroPheed

Public order? Look at how many religious people there are in our prisons and then how many atheists there are and then get back to me. One might argue that 'god' is the very thing wrong with this country.

Love the threat to end the judges life based on his conflicting views too. This really helps your case for religion being an upholder of public order and law.

CDsDontBurn

times are changing neon. people are coming away from churches and starting to think for themselves. church and state are meant to be seperate enteties. people do have morals you know. just because you are not religious in any way, doesn't mean you still don't know what is right from wrong.

maybe this will set the backbone to have all religious affiliation removed from our political system

_ə_

I didn't know that society is falling apart in the UK... Hmm


What a kind, understanding sentiment.
Oh wait, it's not. You must be one of those nasty atheists.

CDsDontBurn

i don't think he's an athiest (i could be wrong though). sounds like to me that he is a devout christian who wants religion