Jesus Loves You

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

I've never actually met an actual creationist so I'm a little star-struck.

Oh, didn't you say your whole family was Christian?

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK
Just read the bible
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I went to church most sundays for about 10 years of my youth, I was even baptized as an infant. My family is entirely christian (some more than others). I've read/heard plenty of the bible and still don't believe (for about 15 years now). I was in a church this sunday, as a matter of fact, taking pictures (it was empty).

Originally Posted by BWX
You know what the Bible says? How?
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all the zealots pushing it in my face since the day i was born

Originally Posted by Gabriel_Etranil
Why can't you just look at religion and the bible as a lesson? Why can't you?
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Because a lot of very vocal religious types demand that everyone take it seriously and won't leave people alone...amongst other things.

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When you are about to die could you look back on your life with no regret?
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The only problem christianity would have with me is that I'm not christian and perhaps my tolerance of other religions in favor of their 'leave attro the fuck alone' policy.

It looks like you need a better memory if you are going to be lying all the time.
Maybe you are just saying whatever comes to your head to try to work out why you are so angry and feel so bad about yourself?

Who knows.

Looking at the first bunch of posts by you in this thread, you seem to be a confused rotten mouthed little child. Want me to quote them?
You seem to have calmed down a tad, and tried to hold a somewhat adult conversation now, but resorting to telling fibs to make your posts sound better doesn't help your cause.

Pompey · Aug 17, 2005, 06:36 AM

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Why must science prove God? Why must everything be quantified in tangibility according to human comprehension?

And therein lies the stupidity of religion.

I have already answered the "arguments" put foward by the faithful. They just ignore it, repost what they said and Im am sick of repeating myself.
I would apreciate it if you would read my posts (and process what I said) before posting.
I will no longer answer arguments along the lines of:
- we think your theory has holes so ours must be correct
- Science is bias
- Life is to complex to have been an accident
- Scientific theorys require more faith than god

or Any arguments using the bible as 'proof'.

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 06:37 AM

It is hard to carry on a conversation with a person who has no respect for others, which is a sign he has no respect for himself. Even your scientists heroes know that.

AttroPheed sadly stated:

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I'd swallow jesus's wad if he's willing to answer me a few questions.

i'm just making fun of someone's imaginary friend.

So pretty much all I have to do to get into heaven is not cry out 'bullshit!' after a sermon? Someone shoulda told me that sooner. In this busy day and age I dont have time to adhere to a strict set of moral codes and give thanks for everything I earn let alone whine until some pussy assed money grubbing politicians make my twisted, crazy assed view of the world a law. I'd love the ability to cast aside any responsiblity for my actions too. I've always wanted to beat a hooker to death with a table leg but tolerance for my fellow man has always stayed my hand. If all else fails I can ask forgiveness from superman err jesus and I'm set.
Wont it piss off all the people that actually lived their lives for and by god tho if we just let in every hopeful agnostic and pussy that holds onto a thread of what is left of organized religion because they are too scared to let go of childish bullshit and depend solely on themselves? It seems to be a very blatant, last ditch effort ad campaign by a failing church to me but here's hoping blind faith isn't as stupid an idea as it's continually proven to be.

Jesus loves me. Now if I can just find my lucky table leg I'll go hit the red light district on my way to church. I'll see you bitches in heaven!

Sure saying "dont trust your religious text" is a little nuts but isn't ignoring physical evidence that contradicts it in some very serious places just fucking stupid? I think it is, and I think it's time we grew up as a society.

Prove he does. Or even prove there is a creator that give's half a shit about his subjects. Prove that jesus even ever really walked the earth(ignore that one ). Fuck, prove he's not a giant female snake-like creature that survives on a diet of infant unicorns

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pompey

And therein lies the stupidity of religion.

I have already answered the "arguments" put foward by the faithful. They just ignore it, repost what they said and Im am sick of repeating myself.
I would apreciate it if you would read my posts (and process what I said) before posting.
I will no longer answer arguments along the lines of:
- we think your theory has holes so ours must be correct
- Science is bias
- Life is to complex to have been an accident
- Scientific theorys require more faith than god

or Any arguments using the bible as 'proof'.

Your theory doesn't have holes, it has no beginning.. Hard to evolve from nothing.

Scientists are bias, not science.

Life IS to complex to be an accident.

I am not trying to prove anything, you are.

So you believe in something, but now refuse to even acknowledge arguments against it because you have no answer for them. Ok, fine with me.

BTW, I knew when I saw the title of this post that we would be having this discussion.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonKnight13

As you've shown once again, there is no point to us stating Creation since you already believe it's junk science and has no clarity to you in your state of comprehension.

Because you're simply restating what I already know to be bullshit. Talk about comprehension problems

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Grasping at straws is what I'd call the big bang theory.

While trying to prove that dinosaurs have only been extinct for 4000 years?

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time is only goes so far otherwise things just get rediculously tough to explain...

For junk-scientists with a half cooked creation theory with no basis in fact or actual physical evidence? Yes, I agree.

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I state a claim as I see it.

As you see what? Not god. Not evidence of 'creationism'. What?

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I don't need teachers and scientists to tell me what I believe.

I know. You prefer men in white robes and imaginary friends.

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Have fun thinking like a zombie and not for yourself. I'm sure you'd call me the same though since you are "obviously" correct.

Wow, you busted my arguement before I even started.

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Nothing I say to you will change your mind unless something happens to come along and smack you around hardcore.

Like all the evidence of a god not existing and earth being more than 10,000 years old.... except the opposite?

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Life's events don't just happen, they need something to with greater power than what is resident to make it happen.

Whatever happened to "free will"?

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

Because you're simply restating what I already know to be bullshit. Talk about comprehension problems

While trying to prove that dinosaurs have only been extinct for 4000 years?

For junk-scientists with a half cooked creation theory with no basis in fact or actual physical evidence? Yes, I agree.

As you see what? Not god. Not evidence of 'creationism'. What?

I know. You prefer men in white robes and imaginary friends.

Wow, you busted my arguement before I even started.

Like all the evidence of a god not existing and earth being more than 10,000 years old.... except the opposite?

Whatever happened to "free will"?

Whatever happened to respecting people's views instead of calling them fairy tales? Seems you have issues looking at the other side of the battle there.

Guess it never occurred to you that your views give no room for comprehending the what I'm talking about. You only give excuses that I've seen from anyone else who decides what is false and true by what you can understand with your limited senses. Ah yes, free will, well we all have it, you're just not exercising your's to the fullest extent but then again you don't believe in a god who gives you that ability. Either way, you're just talking BS instead of making valid points.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Oh, didn't you say your whole family was Christian?

Christians that think creationism is bullshit. I guess they'll burn in hell with me

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Originally Posted by BWX

It looks like you need a better memory if you are going to be lying all the time. Maybe you are just saying whatever comes to your head to try to work out why you are so angry and feel so bad about yourself?

I think the above negates the rest of this as well. It's interesting to see you have me pegged as someone that feels bad about theirself. I (honestly) had you pegged as an alcoholic. I guess this shows you can't see what a person is really like based on forum posts. Funny huh?

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Originally Posted by BWX

You seem to have calmed down a tad, and tried to hold a somewhat adult conversation now.

The reason my posts have grown in clarity is because everyone else's have as well. Taken out of context you can't see that the rest of the posts are, in my opinion, just as juvenile.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonKnight13

Whatever happened to respecting people's views instead of calling them fairy tales? Seems you have issues looking at the other side of the battle there.

A very interesting statement coming from someone that believes in 1 more god than I do.

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Guess it never occurred to you that your views give no room for comprehending the what I'm talking about.

I was raised christian. I know what I'm supposed to believe and thus I know what you're talking about. You dont understand that before your argument I faced my own?

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You only give excuses that I've seen from anyone else who decides what is false and true by what you can understand with your limited senses.

And you do the opposite. You make excuses for what actually can be understood by your limited senses.

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Ah yes, free will, well we all have it, you're just not exercising your's to the fullest extent but then again you don't believe in a god who gives you that ability.

What makes you say that? In order to exercise my free will I have to worhip christ? Explain please.

[quote=CrimsonKnight13]Either way, you're just talking BS instead of making valid points.[\quote]No, I'm responding to your BS with my BS. There is a difference.

Sandok · Aug 17, 2005, 07:08 AM

God died by suffocating under his own pitty.

- Nietzche

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

Christians that think creationism is bullshit. I guess they'll burn in hell with me

I think the above negates the rest of this as well. It's interesting to see you have me pegged as someone that feels bad about theirself. I (honestly) had you pegged as an alcoholic. I guess this shows you can't see what a person is really like based on forum posts. Funny huh?
The reason my posts have grown in clarity is because everyone else's have as well. Taken out of context you can't see that the rest of the posts are, in my opinion, just as juvenile.

What religion that uses baptism believes man evolved from monkeys? This "christianity" shoved down your throat.. yet mysteriously you agree with it.

Whatever- your credibility is about zero- time to quit feeding the troll.

Sandok · Aug 17, 2005, 07:11 AM

Of course we came from stupid monkeys. Our genetic strucutre is 98% the same god damn it. Luck?

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 07:14 AM

This is blatantly becoming a battle not waged in ideology and beliefs but whether you can come up with some "sharp" to wound the person attacking your beliefs. AttroPheed, whatever you believe so be it, but I won't be the one to pick you up when you decide to change your mind.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

What religion that uses baptism believes man evolved from monkeys?

The same religion that believes the bible is a guide to live your life by and not a 100% accurate recount of historic events and the creation of man and earth.

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 07:15 AM

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Of course we came from stupid monkeys. Our genetic strucutre is 98% the same god damn it. Luck?

God has a sense of humor. Where is the the moneys that have 99.9% genetic similarities? They don't exist and never did. If they evolved, why are monkeys still around? If the difference is only 2%, and the difference between us is 99%, it debunks that theory too.

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 07:16 AM

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The same religion that believes the bible is a guide to live your life by and not a 100% accurate recount of historic events and the creation of man and earth.

So why were you arguing that this creation theory was shoved down your throat? Why do you wait until my post about the discrepancies in your posts to reveal this- since we were discussing it the whole time? Maybe because it was the only thing you could say at the time to save face.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 07:17 AM

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AttroPheed, whatever you believe so be it, but I won't be the one to pick you up when you decide to change your mind.

From my experience with christians thus far, I'd expect nothing less. It would be nice if instead of preaching this nonsense you would take the time to act it as well.

Sandok · Aug 17, 2005, 07:17 AM

Why didn't sharks change? They didn't need to cuz the ocean was stable. But land is always changing and if a patch of monkeys over a thousand years were stuck in arrid lands, they will slowly change (less hair for example) cuz it's not a requirement...

http://www.ldolphin.org/wmwilliams.html

Since your a non believer of science, stick to this and livein disbelief. My god is science and proof. Not some fat man floating in clouds and laughin in saying: monkeys and humans should be same for fun.

You don't believe dinosaurs are similar to crocs? Even though they are very different?

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 07:22 AM

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From my experience with christians thus far, I'd expect nothing less. It would be nice if instead of preaching this nonsense you would take the time to act it as well.

Ah, but I do act it in truth and purity. You don't know me so how can you say I'm living in inaction. At least I can stand up for what I believe without changing my mind every damn time something new comes up to change the whole viewpoint of why I'm here. I don't need your words or anyone else's. I'm not preaching anything to you. If you'd like me to go hardcore on you, I will. The point is that you're trying to disprove me just because you say you were "Christian". I see more like a religious excuse to not think about why you followed fools who showed you the wrong meanings. Not like I care about you. Go scamper off with your excellent views and have a great day when it changes on you once again. I live as I say and act as I do.

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 07:22 AM

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Why didn't sharks change? They didn't need to cuz the ocean was stable. But land is always changing and if a patch of monkeys over a thousand years were stuck in arrid lands, they will slowly change (less hair for example) cuz it's not a requirement...

You don't believe dinosaurs are similar to crocs? Even though they are very different?

Oh sharks didn't change? They miraculously appeared as they are now when they were first here? No..... not by your belief system.

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Since your a non believer of science, stick to this and leave in disbelief. My god is science and proof. Not some fat man floating in clouds and laughin in saying: monkeys and humans should be same for fun.

Monkeys and humans are NOT the same.. are you blind? That is the whole point.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 07:23 AM

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So why were you arguing that this creation theory was shoved down your throat?

Because of the 'religious right' and their agenda to have creationism taught in public schools and posted in other publicly funded areas. In a country where the church and the government are supposed to be seperate entities we shouldn't have a religious political body and we certainly shouldn't have a president claiming to be doing 'god's will'.

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 07:26 AM

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Because of the 'religious right' and their agenda to have creationism taught in public schools and posted in other publicly funded areas. In a country where the church and the government are supposed to be seperate entities we shouldn't have a religious political body and we certainly shouldn't have a president claiming to be doing 'god's will'.

Doesn't that mean that both should be taught? I see evolution being shoved down people's throats. It was given to me and I spit back at them. I don't need to be taught that I came from an animal, nor do I need to learn that the universe suddenly exploded from one little point. Spare me the drama of inconsistent data. I chose as I do for hard evidence not fairy tales.