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AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

All I can say to all the atheists out there- "Oh ye of little faith"

Must be a boring and dull world you live in.

I live in the same world you do. I see the same people living, the same sun set, and the same blue ocean. You just like to sate curiosity with a bit more fantasy than I do.

nitrousoxide52 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sandok

Gabriel my angel, I shall not reasearch anything written by monks and so on since I don't believe in it. For me, the bible is nothing more than a ludicrous story and what the hell is genesis?

The genesis was a console made by sega, duh!!!

DH and ATI rock

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pompey

I said you dont understand science, what I meant (as I thought you would have realised) is that you have no Idea how science works or the principles of science from what I can tell.

Yeah, and I said you are wrong and don't know me well enough to make that assumption. Has anyone ever told you that they forgot more than you will ever know?

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Can you offer a single piece of evidence that creationism is correct?

One strong fact is that "science" (I use that term loosely) cannot even come up with a working theory of how life began. They don't have clue. The evidence is all around you.. if you read my posts you would have seen that.

Another mitigating factor to your argument is the fact that most scientists are self proclaimed atheists.. it seems they have a biased view and are trying to prove their beliefs. Does the ends justify the means? To them it does.

Can you give a single shred of evidence that DNA evolved from some blob of amino acid?

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DNA

DNA is the molecule that is the hereditary material in all living cells.

Genes are made of DNA, and so is the genome itself. A gene consists of enough DNA to code for one protein, and a genome is simply the sum total of an organism's DNA.

DNA is long and skinny, capable of contorting like a circus performer when it winds into chromosomes. It's skinny as a whip and smart as one too, containing all the information necessary to build a living organism. In a very real sense, DNA is information.

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What is DNA made of?

DNA is a very large molecule, made up of smaller units called nucleotides that are strung together in a row, making a DNA molecule thousands of times longer than it is wide.

Each nucleotide has three parts: a sugar molecule, a phosphate molecule, and a structure called a nitrogenous base. The nitrogenous base is the part of the nucleotide that carries genetic information, so the words "nucleotide" and "base" are often used interchangeably. The bases found in DNA come in four varieties: adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine—often abbreviated as A, C, G, and T, the letters of the genetic alphabet.

Yeah that just popped into existence... and what we DO know is much less that what we DON'T know..

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nitrousoxide52

The genesis was a console made by sega, duh!!!

No!! It is that missile that captain Kerk shot at that planet and it terra-formed the whole thing!!

nitrousoxide52 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

No!! It is that missile that captain Kerk shot at that planet and it terra-formed the whole thing!!

I was close!!!

DH and ATI roxxors my boxxors

SFOSOK · Aug 17, 2005, 05:17 AM

Well if a child is dependant on her mother for survival. Lets say this child is 2. If a woman has the choice to destroy a life before birth then what is the difference if she has that power when the child is under 18? Its her choice right? Adoption should be the only real option, there are plenty off Families that cannot have children and would consider a child a blessing instead of a burden. Also, if a girl under 18 is carrying a child they do not have to notify their parents for an abortion. Wasting life is useless. Why should a child pay the price of their mother's fault? (excluding rape victims and forced abortions where the mother may have no choice) I know the world is not moraly right and probably never will be, I'm just expressing my disgust for the useless loss of life and how accepted it is by society and todays moral standards.

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pompey

I said you dont understand science, what I meant (as I thought you would have realised) is that you have no Idea how science works or the principles of science from what I can tell.
Science is the pursuit of knowledge, with the goals of explaining the world around us and advancing humanity. Above all (as ive stated many times) conclusions are drawn from the facts a hand. Do scientists make mistakes? Yes! But science is self-correcting.
You said "Your brilliant scientists whom you think are gods cannot even come up with a plausible theory.. they aren't even smart enough to make something up that sounds remotely possible.. How brilliant they are."
Unlike religion which just claims something to be true, science requires proof, If they cannot prove it then they dont claim it as fact. Science does not claim to have all the answers, and possibly never will but as ive already said science has credibility. It can back up its claims with evidence. Religion cannot.

Whether or not a theory is plausible or not depends almost entirely on each person, I find a natural origin of life more plausible than some eternal peeping tom.
I would also like to defend the scientists that you attacked, they have put man in space, split the atom and eradicated polio (well, they would have if religious leaders hadnt stepped in and stopped it). Their achievements are far greater than religions.

Can you offer a single piece of evidence that creationism is correct?

To back up BMX with full force. Here's a website that should at least satiate your curiousity about Creation and why we believe as we do. Don't reject what you don't understand.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Another mitigating factor to your argument is the fact that most scientists are self proclaimed atheists.. it seems they have a biased view and are trying to prove their beliefs. Does the ends justify the means? To them it does.

This still doesn't suggest that you're familiar with scientific process.

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

This still doesn't suggest that you're familiar with scientific process.

It suggests that BMX has a better understanding as to why the current state of science is mostly one sided. Does that count enough for an argument since you are totally against anything we say anyways?

Pompey · Aug 17, 2005, 05:27 AM

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One strong fact is that "science" (I use that term loosely) cannot even come up with a working theory of how life began. They don't have clue. The evidence is all around you.. if you read my posts you would have seen that.

Another mitigating factor to your argument is the fact that most scientists are self proclaimed atheists.. it seems they have a biased view and are trying to prove their beliefs. Does the ends justify the means? To them it does.

Can you give a single shred of evidence that DNA evolved from some blob of amino acid?

Lack of evidence is not proof. You have yet to prove creationism true. Science cannot come up with a "working theory" because they have higher standards. There is not evidence to indicate how life started, so they dont claim to know how it started. This is what I was talking about when I said you have no understanding of science.
I will also come back to a previous point I made, Just because there are some gaps in theory A (or Theory A does not exist yet) it does not make theory B automatically correct.

If you are using the basis that most scientist are atheist to somehow discredit them (claiming they have a bias) You must also discredit creationists (as they also have a bias).
If you will take a moment to notice scientists offer several possibilities as to how life started. The difference is they call them possibilities. They acknowledge they dont know how life started.
All science has to do to ‘win’ is show how life started (Greater being, lightning strike, alien experiment gone disastrously wrong, whatever).
Creationists have to prove that 'god' created everything. Even if the "theory" of creation is proven Science would still be correct (the existence of 'god' having been proven).
Science is the victor either way...

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:31 AM

There you have it. Your faith is placed in science regardless of whether it's right or wrong. You really haven't stated anything that proves that you aren't a fanatic about what you believe. You're only bolstering your claim that science is always correct despite whether there is a God or not.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonKnight13

It suggests that BMX has a better understanding as to why the current state of science is mostly one sided. Does that count enough for an argument since you are totally against anything we say anyways?

You seem to forget that the entire world has scientists that believe in evolution spanning nearly every faith on every continent in the world. Its incredibly arrogant (to put it politely) to think that they're only doing it to take away your god.

Scientific theory doesn't allow room for personal beliefs where they have been disproved thru experiment.

http://www2.nau.edu/~gaud/bio372/cla...or/sciproc.htm

And this isn't from some biased atheism site. This is the chart as I saw it in high school and as every scientist on the planet sees it. The only scientists that don't follow it are "Creation Scientists". Pay particular attention to this line: "Nature's reality is always the final judge of a scientific theory."

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

You seem to forget that the entire world has scientists that believe in evolution spanning nearly every faith on every continent in the world. Its incredibly arrogant (to put it politely) to think that they're only doing it to take away your god.

Scientific theory doesn't allow room for personal beliefs where they have been disproved thru experiment.

http://www2.nau.edu/~gaud/bio372/cla...or/sciproc.htm

And this isn't from some biased atheism site. This is the chart as I saw it in high school and as every scientist on the planet sees it. The only scientists that don't follow it are "Creation Scientists". Pay particular attention to this line: "Nature's reality is always the final judge of a scientific theory."

Just goes to show that the worldly consensus is biased in the first place. Doesn't change a thing when scientific fact is altered to work in corespondence to how evolution works. Does that make enough sense for you? Seems you're not realizing the whole picture. If you set a foundation based on personal beliefs, you'll only see the facts a certain way. If you take into consideration what the facts mean after they are proven, then if the personal beliefs corespond to what is shown then you can go further with it. I'm not here to debate whether scientists are fools. I'm speaking all in relation as to why science is biased itself due to the amount of scientists who believe in evolution and will do anything to keep creationists away from the media. I'm sure if you took a look at history books, you'd see that whoever writes them controls how people view the world. When it's always about evolution, that's what you'll get from everyone who learned about it at an early age. Information force fed to you in school doesn't make right nor does it make it rock solid in evidence just because some scientist said so. Science itself is tainted and you know it otherwise you wouldn't be using the same excuses over and over again.

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

This still doesn't suggest that you're familiar with scientific process.

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Maybe if I was more like you I would be perfect..

I am completely aware of the scientific process, I also do not try to prove that creation is the way we came about, but I do believe that there is a greater power behind it all given the evidence I see and everything I have ever seen, heard, and learned in my 33 years of life on this mudball we call Earth.

Now you are attacking my understanding of science and my intellect because I don't believe I evolved from a blob of goo like you do? Very interesting.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 05:45 AM

So then you believe that the creation theory presented in your bible is the truth as it happened?

Sandok · Aug 17, 2005, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nitrousoxide52

The genesis was a console made by sega, duh!!!

DH and ATI rock

Dh and ATI rock...

wrong thread mate!

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

So then you believe that the creation theory presented in your bible is the truth as it happened?

I most defintely do and the universe is more than enough valid evidence for me to see it with pure literal perspective. I don't need faith to see that everything was designed in perfection. The downfall of man brought along imperfection and sin. I'm not going to make it my priority to convince you any different than what you believe. I'm stating where I stand and that's final to what I believe.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Maybe if I was more like you I would be perfect..

clever

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I do believe that there is a greater power behind it all

So do many scientists

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Now you are attacking my understanding of science and intellect because I don't believe I evolved from a blob of goo like you do? Very interesting.

this was an 'attack' on crimsonknight because it would seem he actually does believe the creation theory as presented in the bible and is either 'trolling' or believes also that the scientific community as a whole is out to destroy "god".

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

So then you believe that the creation theory presented in your bible is the truth as it happened?

I believe that there is a creator behind it all. Whether the interpretations of what is in any given translation or version of the Bible is to be taken word for word is not the question at hand here.

Why don't you answer a question. How do you think you evolved? How do you think the life giving DNA in each of your 50 trillion cells "came to be"..
Huh? I think DNA, the building blocks and information that makes up all life on earth did not just evolve, but was in some way, created by a higher power.

Save the links, tell me what you think. Or do you have to do a google search to figure out what you think?

BWX · Aug 17, 2005, 05:53 AM

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I do believe that there is a greater power behind it all

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So do many scientists

But you do not.

AttroPheed · Aug 17, 2005, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonKnight13

I most defintely do and the universe is more than enough valid evidence for me to see it with pure literal perspective. I don't need faith to see that everything was designed in perfection. The downfall of man brought along imperfection and sin. I'm not going to make it my priority to convince you any different than what you believe. I'm stating where I stand and that's final to what I believe.

So the whole 'man killed the dinosaurs' and 'the earth is only 10000 years old' as far as you're concerned is absolutely true?

I've never actually met an actual creationist so I'm a little star-struck.

CrimsonKnight13 · Aug 17, 2005, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AttroPheed

clever

So do many scientists

this was an 'attack' on crimsonknight because it would seem he actually does believe the creation theory as presented in the bible and is either 'trolling' or believes also that the scientific community as a whole is out to destroy "god".

To say that I believe the scientific community is out to destroy the proof of God is foolish but if you are representation of what is believed, then all is see is a rocky road of theories. If scientists believe in any higher powers, it's the laws that govern our existence. Please explain to me why there are laws and how gravity fits into your evolutionary perspective. I mean... afterall, you must have faith that gravity does hold you to the ground but you can't see it or prove it in quanitfication as to what makes it work. All you know is that it's there and that it affects you just like every other being and object in the universe.