Jesus Loves You

BWX

wow those are so funny and original.

Pompey

So was yours.
Are you going to answer attros question?

This is for all you creationists out there.
http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/terminology.html

Pompey

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/f...25_answers.htm
This is a brilliant site!
In not sure if idi... creationists would like it much though.
I think is adequately dismisses their 'argument'.

BWX

You can find any dumb internet link to say anything.. (like the one's you linked to)..

None of that garbage proves anything. -especially the links you posted..



He didn't ask a question genius. He went on a tirade about some meaningless crap he saw on the internet. I said before- it takes more faith to believe DNA "evolved" than to think it was created in some way. Your brilliant scientists whom you think are gods cannot even come up with a plausible theory.. they aren't even smart enough to make something up that sounds remotely possible.. How brilliant they are.

Ubergrendle

ROTFL!

Sandok

bah i don't get you religious folks. Religion is EVIL. because of it we've had wars since I can remeber. If only mankind would step into the ungodly light of reason, would we see real evolution in our society

oh and bmx, what are the major WHOLES in the evolution theory? I mean, you must know a bit about DNA, Cells, etc so what can't you grasp?

BWX

That something so incredibly complex just "happened" - just "appeared", just "evolved" from some mysterious primordial ooz...... I understand all the concepts of REAL evolution.. How the hill surrounding the place where I grew up were probably made by ancient glaciers.. How the traits of the strongest species of animals makes it into the next generation of animals (and humans for that matter). How the the earth was formed, etc.. There is such a thing as evolution, but not on the scale scientists would have you believe. It doesn't explain everything

AttroPheed

Anyone that can shrug off anything that can be explained by physical evidence in favor of something that asks from the beginning for "blind faith" is obviously not going to be swayed by rationality or reasonable schools of thought.

Religion has only itself to blame for the recent spate of hatred directed toward it. As it becomes more of a burden on our society more people are turning to something that doesn't use guilt, shame, and a false sense of hope to teach hatred, intolerance, and the destruction of mass transit. I don't really care what religion a person is so long as they keep it away from government institutions and explosives.

Pompey

I do not think scientists are 'gods', where did I say that?

I see you do not quiet understand science.
I follow (if thats the right word) science because it is logical, transparent and above all relies on facts, its not a rant. They conduct experiments, make observations and examine the facts to draw their conclusions. Those conclusions can then be debated/ examined by anyone who chooses to do so. Those results are scrutinised and the experiment can be repeated (once again by anyone who chooses to do so) so everyone can see the results for themselves. Anyone is free to put their case against the findings and disprove them if they are able to. The computer you are sitting at is the result of science, your cloths, house, car are all exist thanks to the discoveries of science. You can even thank science for the domes in the cathedrals and mosques, the organs in the churches and those annoying Christian TV shows. Thanks to science life expectancy and the quality of life have improved remarkably. You owe you lifestyle to the discoveries of these scientists whom you dismiss so easily.

Evolution does not claim to reveal how life started, It explains how we developed from Point A (single celled organisms) to point Q (Us and all the magical creatures inhabiting this planet). Evolution could easily be dismissed if you were able to produce a 30million year-old homo sapien. Ops, thats right, the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Because the bible said so right? And demons put fossils in the ground to steer humans away from the path of god.

I would also like you to point out these massive flaws in evolution, and explain to a naive boy like me how creationism (which does not offer a shred of proof) is correct.

I also thought Attros question was a good one, why is is that religion is most pronounced in 3rd word countries and in a continual state of decline in developed ones?

And the science curriculum.

AttroPheed

Actually that was sandok's question
I'm certain BWX knows the answer either way tho. But, I'm not so sure his denial will allow an honest, or even cogent, response.

swimtech

If you actually read the Bible - especially the New Testament, your choice of version (King James, NIV, whatever...), you really would see and understand that the light of reason is anything but ungodly - it is reason, self control, and concern for the people around us that is encouraged, and that to which we are led by Jesus.

I can understand your feeling about the wars fought over a religion, they seem to me ridiculous as well - I think fought by people who just don't get the idea that we should talk about our disagreements and then agree to disagree if consensus cannot be reached - but to be civil and live in peace with one another.

Sandok

But why believe in jesus and not god? Since jesus is just another representation of god? so what is allah then? why does religion exist if there is only one god? why is jesus the best of em? why is the bible correct? why can't religion be misleading? if god is allmighty, why is there pain and suffering? if we are god's ultimate creation, why do we have sin? etc...

BWX

Free will.

Gabriel_Etranil

Why can't you just look at religion and the bible as a lesson? Why can't you?
Why not use these 10 commandments (minus the first 4 for varius reasons) as a learning experience whether or not religion is true why not read something to better yourself? Do research and read you might get the answers to your questions. Wow, do you have any idea what you are admitting with that question?

Sandok

Well I'm not a believer so i'm not gonna search. You tell me. Free will is evil so why would god put it in men? lol and what am I admitting? I don't believe in god so for me nothing, you tell me.

AttroPheed

Because a lot of very vocal religious types demand that everyone take it seriously and won't leave people alone...amongst other things.

It's basically a wordier version of "Let your conscience be your guide" isn't it? Also these rules don't seem to mention that no matter how many times you break them for any reason and no matter how heinous the crime against your fellow man you still go to heaven and are thus "fine." Negating them, at least in the context of christianity, before they've even had a chance. Where is the "thou shalt accept responsiblity for thine actions" commandment?

Just what are you implying?

SFOSOK

You make very broad generalizations about Christians. I know the religous leaders you are talking about though and Christianity can't really help that. Also about the Bible, read it a little bit closer and you'll answer your own questions about negating serious crimes. I feel bad for you Attro, I just hope u accept jesus after the apacolypse is here. And no I don't believe in God just because I am scared of the Apacolypse. I welcome it, Earth needs to be cleaned of all its filth and its soon to happen, and there is a major difference in comitting crimes and thinkin that you'll just say sorry God. The major difference is that you accept in your heart everything you have ever done wrong and take responsibility for it. I am one of the few 18 yr olds that go to church, and not only that but enjoy it. I try to live a good life and support my fiance the best I can and thats all I can say. When you are about to die could you look back on your life with no regret?

Just read the bible, you cannot make any valid arguement until you have studied the basis of your oponents arguement and understand where they are coming from with their opinion.

Have a good day.

Sandok

The bible is just a story written by scholars 2005 years ago. There is no PROOF jebus wrote it you know. Show me hardcore proof!

AttroPheed

absolutely. I dont lie, cheat, steal, exploit, rape, make racist remarks, base my status on material possesion or income, etc. I've even given to (non-religious) charity on occasion. The only problem christianity would have with me is that I'm not christian and perhaps my tolerance of other religions in favor of their 'leave attro the fuck alone' policy.

If I see jesus I wouldnt have much choice but to believe. As for the apocalypse, maybe he already came and took all the "true believers" and we're the leftover unworthy trash. That would explain a lot wouldn't it?

I went to church most sundays for about 10 years of my youth, I was even baptized as an infant. My family is entirely christian (some more than others). I've read/heard plenty of the bible and still don't believe (for about 15 years now). I was in a church this sunday, as a matter of fact, taking pictures (it was empty).

In this case it would seem that you 'practice what you preach'. Commendable.

Gabriel_Etranil

Wow you really don't know what your talking about do you? Do you believe 'Jebus' wrote Genesis? Do some research to tell me who wrote it.

Figure it out

Would this mean that you are against abortions in any way shape or form?

BWX

First of all, coming from a 17 year old kid, I find that amusing, since I am twice your age.. and have been interested in science since I was about 6 years old.
I have learned more watching the Discovery channel than you have learned yet I am sure- since I started watching it 3 years before you were born. Not to mention basic high school stuff.. and reading through a set of encyclopedias as a kid. Get off your high horse dude.

nitrousoxide52

Let me ask everyone something, do you believe in rain gods? Most likely not. But many thousand years ago, people did. Do you know why? Because they did not know why rain happened, they had to make an execuse of why it happens. Today, we know why it happens, that's why those gods were phased out. The same will happen when people discover what ha