Jesus Loves You

[hobo]eclipse

...Jesus loves YOU!

BWX

You know someone is hurting for posts when they triple post spam.

[hobo]eclipse

gotta get to 500 so when the MODS notice i dont qualify fer AMD mainstream anymore i can still have sum color!!!

AttroPheed

Even if they proved human evolution and the beginning of the universe tomorrow it wouldn't change a single religious person's mind because they have to believe there is something far more fantastic at work here than simply living until you die and then not existing anymore. It's a shame more people can't see organized religion for what it actually is and just live their lives to the fullest in their short time on earth. but, to each his own.


"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions." - Karl Marx

digerati

That thought scares me so much. I'm hoping in 50 years we'll be able to download our conscienceness onto computers like they say because I don't want to stop existing. But I do think that's a far stretch and I'll die before it happens.

SexPistoL

Hey guys, the only certain thing in life......is death, it's how you live your life that matters. Not being scared of death and the worry that some have about it. Some may spend all their time thinking of death and the after life and forget get about life and the now !

SFOSOK

No one wants to stop existing, some say so but they don't. You just have to ask yourself if religion is a way out of not existing and thats why it was created or that some are mostly true. I would not want my conscience on a computer, I would rather die then be something fake. Everyone is searching for answers guys. But the answers are not what is important its how you live your life, what you value, and what you devote yourself to. If you devote more of your life to computers than lets say a higher powere or even a loved one then I think that is truelly sad. Anyone who devotes their life to something material and not to something spiritual in anyway has wasted that part of their life. And I truelly pity those people because they do not know how much they have lost and how little they have gained.

BWX

First of all they won't, because human evolution is nothing but wishful thinking.

Second - who says you have to be a part of organized religion to believe in a higher power?

A lot of people who believe in nothing but "born and die and that's it" and want to live it up while they are here do just that.. Live it up any way they want, no matter who it hurts along the way.. After all who cares, they are just going to be dead soon anyway right? So take advantage, rape, kill, steal.. Who cares? Oh wait, that is what separates us from animals. We have a conscience. Science says that evolved too- highly unlikely since the "early humans" without a conscience would have surely killed off all the "early humans" with a conscience.

Deny what you really know deep down inside, but hey- to each his own. Pretty arrogant to think you are the highest power in the universe.








Wow, he was an idiot.

Zelig

The same could be said of religion, with more evidence.


Completely correct here, certain famous scientists such as Einstein believed in an "impersonal" god, one that would have nothing to do with religions or praying, but would still be a higher power in the universe.


People who asume that my life has no meaning because I don't believe that I'm alive for any particular purpose irk me. Since I don't believe that I'm going anywhere after I die, I make the most I possibly can out of my life, however, I'm a very cheerful, nice person if you meet me in real life, and don't come close to doing whatever I want to maximize my short-term fun. ("rape, kill, steal") *I* care about how I treat others, and when people attribute that to another being, I'm annoyed, nobody likes credit being taken from them for something *they* do.

Regarding conscience evolving:
Proto-human family #1: 5 individuals with conscience, cooperate and work together for mutual gain.
Proto-human family #2: 5 individuals with no conscience, live the way they want, take advantage of anyone for short-term gain.

Which group do you think is more likely to survive on their own? Or even a confrontation between the two groups, family #2 isn't likely to be together, 5 vs. 1 odds repeated 5 times leans towards family #1.


Hard to debate something where the asumption is made that I *actually* know that I'm wrong... I see no point in lying to myself to achieve false modesty however.

BWX

You made that one up all by yourself.. lol

If you look closer you will see I made generalizations about "some people".. to support an argument about human conscience. Funny and very telling that you took that to mean you.

I highly doubt a bunch of savage animal pre humans would be defeated be sensitive emotional caring pre humans... who said anything about intelligence at that point in fictional time? Animals don't work together? Ever seen wild dogs hunt? or an Ant colony? Do they know right from wrong? Argue that point all you want...
Well if you don't believe in a higher power, you think you are the highest power, that is- man is the highest power.

Still quite arrogant when you open your eyes and take a good hard look around yourself and notice what a tiny insignificant spec you are in the grand scheme of things..

Zelig

Oops.
I didn't read that carefully enough when I responded... however, some people will accuse *all* non-believers are only living life for personal gain, and don't truly find meaning in their life.


Not sure where exactly you're going here... the point I was trying to make was that a group/society/whatever will tend to be more succesful if its members cooperate more efficiently. Cooperation is easier to atain if members have a sense of "right" and "wrong."


I realize quite how insignificant I, and mankind is in comparison to the size, complexity and age of the universe without any need to believe in any higher power.


I realize these posts of mine aren't running together well (or at least my ideas aren't following the way I'd like them to), I'm dead tired - am going to get some sleep, and hopefully my responses tomorrow are going to be more sensical.

AttroPheed

Exactly. It's also quite arrogant to believe that some magical deity could create everything and still give half a rats ass about one miniscule aspect of it.

So you're not denying the other areas of evolutionary theory where there is plenty of proof? How about macroevolution? If any part of it is correct doesn't that break the whole creationism thing? To think that an entire world-wide scientific community would essentially make something up and stick to it after it's been proven false as a way to steal a bunch of people's 'security blanket' is kinda retarded isn't it? I think you should read up a bit before you call something there actually is evidence of "wishful thinking" and something there is little evidence of (religion) "gospel". You're right to think evolutionary theory is full of holes if you're relying on the church to interpret it.

It's not like man to destroy other creatures with impunity?

Sandok

The POPE said the earth was the centre (so he's the church right?) had those people executed till galileo proved em all wrong... I'm not trying to change you dude. I understand and respect your views.

BWX

I am not Catholic... so the what the Pope does or says doesn't mean anything to me.. If in the past he in fact did execute people for their beliefs, he is no better than the terrorist that flew planes into the Twin Towers.

BWX

Not really, since if we believe any fundamental ideas about the Bible, (or pretty much any other religious texts) - we come to the conclusion that God, the creator, the higher power, whatever label you use... does in fact care very much about the people on this planet. All of them.

I have never seen any credible evidence of human evolution. All the "evidence" I have seen is so far fetched, I would more likely believe in the string theory with as much evidence we have of it... As far as any scientific evidence that proves creation theory is wrong? Likewise.

Oh look, a message for you.

trodas

Religion is poison of the mind.

Zelig

In that case, you haven't been looking. Evolution is as much a "theory" as is the "theory" of gravity.

String theory is far from a complete theory, and because it was discovered by accident, many people refer to it as being a theory that was discovered decades earlier than the rest of what our knowledge allows us to uncover.
However, what is complete in string theory, and what it has accomplished is amazing, and has succesfully derived other, proven theories with its mathematics. Unfortunately for string theory, most of its opponents are people who don't understand it because of the depth of the maths involved.

Scientific evidence can't prove creation theory wrong to creationists, as it can't prove god wrong to any religios people. It will always be possible to fall back to "if science can't explain it, god must have done it."

Sandok

Oh give up.... He isn't changing.

BWX

Your post are poison to my ears.

BWX

BULL.... Gravity can be proven. Example, we are not floating into space and the Earth has an atmosphere.

Human evolution, the type that says we evolved from one celled organisms, is not a proven theory. You are wrong. I still haven't heard your ideas on how DNA evolved.

Same goes to you trodas and everyone else that believes this crock.. Where did DNA come from? A glob of goo struck by lightning? Everyone gets really quiet and dodges that issue - and wanders off to avoid the question.


You all believe DNA evolved from a drop of primordial ooze?? You are all the ones that are being fed a lie and lapping it up like lost little puppies who have no imagination.

AttroPheed

Now certainly there must be evidence of this. The same captious person that can shrug off evolution on a whim (based on evidence gleaned from a church pamphlet no doubt) must be able to be at least slightly critical of something so fantastic. After all you can't be duped by a world-wide scientific community spanning every form of religious and government make-up. There's no way those science bastards could sneak easy answers and magical claims past you and your superior intellect without something more concrete than the evidence presented for evolution or dinosaurs being more than 6000 years old. There must be a near death experience or virgin mary grilled cheese sandwich in your life somewhere. Perhaps a loved one flatlined for 2 minutes on an operating table and it wasn't the skill and technique of the medical care professionals that brought them back to life but a meddling god.

So what is it? What's the proof? I'm dying to hear it.

BWX