Jesus Loves You

AttroPheed

So pretty much all I have to do to get into heaven is not cry out 'bullshit!' after a sermon? Someone shoulda told me that sooner. In this busy day and age I dont have time to adhere to a strict set of moral codes and give thanks for everything I earn let alone whine until some pussy assed money grubbing politicians make my twisted, crazy assed view of the world a law. I'd love the ability to cast aside any responsiblity for my actions too. I've always wanted to beat a hooker to death with a table leg but tolerance for my fellow man has always stayed my hand. If all else fails I can ask forgiveness from superman err jesus and I'm set.
Wont it piss off all the people that actually lived their lives for and by god tho if we just let in every hopeful agnostic and pussy that holds onto a thread of what is left of organized religion because they are too scared to let go of childish bullshit and depend solely on themselves? It seems to be a very blatant, last ditch effort ad campaign by a failing church to me but here's hoping blind faith isn't as stupid an idea as it's continually proven to be.

Jesus loves me. Now if I can just find my lucky table leg I'll go hit the red light district on my way to church. I'll see you bitches in heaven!

BiGBrOwNPimpsta

ganesh pwns you...

SFOSOK

God loves all his children no matter what mistakes they comit. Your ignorence almost made me laugh but it is still tasteless. If you want to know all about God and what you need to get into heaven, read the bible, not this thread. And please stop whining, jeez man, all you do is whine about how other people impose their religion upon you and how to find loop holes into heaven.






He still loves the ignorent. It is pointless for you to attack any faithful Christians because they will not be swayed by any means. If you don't like god or don't believe in him do you really think you are helping prove your point by creating this into another pointless flaming arguement?

SexPistoL

Hey M8 are you ok......

Falstaff

Yeah a little odd

swimtech

AttroPheed,

You detest the hooker because of her behavior and how that behavior affects those in her life - but you would tolerate her for her humanity. That is an act of love as I see it. I don't think you would holler profanities calling a sermon false (whether it was or not...) out of respect for (or a proper fear of) the rest of the congregation - another act of love. Indeed though, that hooker will, or could, pay a severe price for her actions (too many to contemplate here) - we all roll those dice daily to differing degrees eh?

Jesus also shows us all that kind of love. He no doubt detests murderers (the Ten Commandments are still in effect...), but He does love them for their humanity. I think tolerance and respect/humility are aspects of love and the actions those kinds of love inspire are, in those cases, inaction and silence - when you really want to do otherwise - and against what they might indeed deserve according to law or tradition. In those cases as well, the choice would be made for the other(s), against self.

Most mature Christians realize how sinful they themselves are, and have been. If Jesus loved the hookers, the tax collectors, etc., most mature Christians realize He must have had good reason. Since Jesus is God, we as Christians do well to follow His examples - even if we don't individually understand why. He does implore us to turn away from bad behavior, to avoid it, to stop it if we're doing it - that's what a large part of the Bible is about! He loves us enough to give us the choice - to choose childishness or responsible behavior. It is Christians' love of Jesus, because He loved us first (yes, He started it, it's His fault... ) , that leads mature Christians away from childishness toward responsible behavior.

The declaration that Jesus loves you is mostly said to inpsire you to think about, maybe choosing, to love Him.

Duranix

Dang why does everyone tell me Jesus love me and that I'm lost and cursed to eternity in hell for not beleiving in god?

AttroPheed

The password is: "Jesus loves you".

Duranix, the reason you're hearing a lot of 'jesus loves you' is because that's what teachers of this bible stuff are telling the flock to say when faced with an argument or potential convert or someone the church doesn't tolerate ('cept the gays i guess it's cool for the church to do god's work and tell them He hates 'em), or other general annoyances (asshole parking attendants, the kid drawing pentagrams on his history notes, etc).
The church knows that if a seed of doubt manages to implant itself in a member of the flock's head then the whole 'blind faith' thing comes crashing down and they lose a customer to rational thought (organized religion's sworn enemy).
It's sorta like the old "i know you are but what am i" school of debate that 8 year olds toss back and forth but with far weightier implications.
Also in a not so subtle way it's saying that no matter what you do to anyone at any time for any reason no matter how heinous a crime you commit or how proper a life you lead, all you have to do is love jesus and you're heaven-bound. which helps the church to convert folks wanting easy answers to complicated questions and those wanting a fitting end to their lifetime prison sentence.
So it's an airtight argument winner, a quick release responsiblity shirker, a sheep recruiter and good PR for all the horrible things organized religion has done to mankind since it's inception all in one tiny little phrase! It's up to you whether you think its bullshit or not.

SFOSOK

yeah I used to be into pentagrams and shit from like age 6 to 16. It has no purpose, you don't look cool and no one thinks your cool, so might as well do something productive like spend all your money on computers.

SFOSOK

btw, France sucks America Rules

Pompey

It all comes down to proof.
Religion has no credibility, no legitimacy. Science can back up what it says with facts, religion cannot. Religion cannot prove god exists, science HAS proven that the Earth revolves around the sun. Science HAS proven the world was not created in 6 days.
Christianity is one of the most flawed religions on earth. The bible wasn’t even written or recited by Jesus so even if his legitimacy was established how could you claim the bible to be the word of god?
We KNOW the fairy tale of Adam and Eve didn’t really happen. Genetic disease resulting from Incest would have crippled, if not killed off the human race. If these two mythical characters did give birth to the human race then why are there so many different races?
Science has not solved everything yet, whenever a question is answered two more pop up in its place. Science can back up what it says and throughout the centuries science has explained what religion claimed was the work of god, this trend will continue.
If you want to believe in some greater being then thats your choice, but dont call those of us who have any common sense ignorant.

Believing something without proof is ignorant.
Until you are willing to accept religion is at best a white lie you will always be ignorant.

AttroPheed

finally we agree on something

SFOSOK

heh

swimtech

Interesting arguments - and I do think it a problem that in order to prove first hand that Jesus is absolutely God's son, I must die. If I did, then somehow came back to tell you what I found out - either way - you'd have to believe me - an act of faith...

It may be of interest to note that modern science was begun by men of faith (faith, by definition is belief without proof) - Newton, Copernicus, DaVinci, Galileo, later Einstein - among others, and they couldn't prove it either, but I do not equate faith with ingnorance - I'm not ignorant - nor others of faith. These men searching for the proof of how the Lord's universe works made great progress.

When it comes to proving who a man (or woman) is though - no one on earth can really know...yet.

Since I know in faith that Jesus loves me, I, and many others, know in faith that He must love you too because I'm no better than you in His eyes.

SFOSOK

good way to state it

Gabriel_Etranil

That's what faith is, belief in what cannot be proven. You cannot see an atom but it still exists does it not, many of current scientific fact are founded on unprovable theories.

Wow, man do some research and read a Bible to find the answer to that statement. Read Genesis 4 in the Bible it makes that arguement mute. I'm not saying it is true but I am saying that it is explained if you are willing to read to find it.

The one thing that bothers me about the current science 'proof' is that it requires that something came from nothing, which contradicts everything that we know as fact in science, that something can't come from nothing because of matter and energy being conserved.

There is no possible way currently to 'prove' one wrong or one right, that is why both systems are based on faith.

Pompey

It does not require that something came from nothing. There are many theories as to how the universe 'started'. If you notice, the word theory is used. If science currently cannot prove that it is true or false, it is called a theory. Then scientist will endeavour to prove or disprove it.
The obvious response to that is where did god come from. You cant use that argument without destroying your own.

Faith is not proof. Children have faith in santa, it doesn’t mean he exists. Ancient cultures worshiped the sun as a god.
Comparing god to the atomic theory is ridiculous, atoms have been proven to exist in other ways. God has not.

And they didn’t prove that god existed, just because they themselves believed god may have existed does not make it so. Science is based on proof, not personal prestige.
Saying Einstein believed in god is going a little too far. He said that if I do believe and god doesn’t exist hes lost nothing, but if he didnt believe and god does turn out to exist, hes lost everything. He was agnostic.
Galileo and DaVinci were hardly believers either, they were both persecuted by the church for heresy. As was Copernicus (who correctly believed the earth revolved around the sun).
Newton was oddly enough a believer, but throughout his life he was never able to prove god existed.

No, unfortunately we cant conclusively prove or disprove the existence of a greater being. But the possibility of a greater being is not preached by the faithful. Believers claim they know what this so called god is, his views on the world and that they are doing his/ hers/ its bidding. None of which can be established.
Once again, it all comes down to evidence.

Gabriel_Etranil

Which theory doesn't require that something come from nothing? Responding with where does god come from doesn't work, it is not explainable. If he exists outside our 'universe' do our current laws of science apply to him? 'Where did we come from?' is not an answerable question, no matter what anybody thinks it is all theory.

Whether it was an act of 'God' or not begs the question was it natural or not.Science is based on proved of what can be observed. Scientist claim they have prove that ghosts exist and of extraterrestrial beings, do you believe this to be true or personal prejudice?

There is no way for us to conceive how the universe was created or started.

Have you read Genesis 4 yet?

AttroPheed

there is no such thing as nothing. so, all of them.

wha?? The Sci-Fi channel is not a reputable source of information regarding reality.

How about referencing a credible source. Even many faithful christian's dismiss the bible as fallacy.

AttroPheed

Since science wont say anything is proven without reproducable evidence (gravity is just a theory ffs) and since religion already has an "empirical" backing that say's "It Is So." What we're left with is an unwinnable argument in personal philosophy.

Some people like to think a ghost in the sky is going to magically whisk them away to a magical land in the clouds when they die just for giving their love to a creator. While other's want an actual realistic answer to the question of life based on solid physical evidence.

We constantly get into this debate shit because a lot of people are soured on all forms of religion (esp. christianity) because of it's amoral approach to how people should treat each other and because of all the zealots that think they need to do the work of a God they claim wields absolute power (meaning if He didn't like it, it wouldn't be.) Ever wonder why you never hear "science vs. buddhism" arguements? buddhists arent fucktards!

Neither side can be proven either way until we get either The Creator to make an appearance and give a lecture on how we actually should ignore a person's human rights based on their sexual preferrence, race, religion, geographical location, etc. Or we get science to build a working model of the universe. (Lotta eyebrows are gonna get singed on that project).

Until then we can rely on what science has proven. That while religious texts may have functioned great as guides to moral code and explanations for every little question regarding everything. In a modern world they are at best a terribly fantastic account of historic events and that casual observation shows that even the moral fabric built on 10 simple "commandments" is now only followed selectively at a practitioner's convenience.

Science has proven thru careful observation of human behavior and controlled experiments that, "An eye for an eye" and locking a dude up for life for selling weed, isn't helping anyone. It's time to grow up and either revise the bible and the systems based on it so it's not just a big escape hatch for criminals, radicals, exploiters, presidents, etc. or banish it to the realm of outdated and thus obsolete texts.

We need to teach people to depend on themselves, not a ghost in the sky, and to take responsiblity for their actions (good or bad) instead of putting everything on a god which may or may not exist, and further, which may or may not give a rat's ass what you do or don't do, or to blame every little thing (1 child out of tens of millions killing someone for instance) on society's failure to yield to every crackpot religious fanatic's idea of the perfect society.

If people could let religion have it's place in their heart or soul or whatever and science to have its rightful place in our society and our laws i know we'd be better off for it.

Sure saying "dont trust your religious text" is a little nuts but isn't ignoring physical evidence that contradicts it in some very serious places just fucking stupid? I think it is, and I think it's time we grew up as a society.

BWX

Prove God doesn't exist.

People who believe in "evolution" are the ones who have real faith, as that theory is a crock. Yeah, DNA just "evolved"... ok, whatever.