Attacks will continue, radical cleric says

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Attacks will continue, radical cleric says

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LONDON (Reuters) - Militant Islamists will continue to attack Britain until the government pulls its troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the country's most outspoken Islamic clerics said on Friday.

Speaking 15 days after bombers killed over 50 people in London and a day after a series of failed attacks on the city's transport network, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed said the city should expect more violence.

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"What happened yesterday confirmed that as long as the cause and the root problem is still there ... we will see the same effect we saw on July 7," Bakri said.

"If the cause is still there the effect will happen again and again," he said, adding he had no information about future attacks or contacts with people planning to carry out attacks.

Bakri, a Syrian-born cleric who has been vilified in Britain since 2001 when he praised the September 11 hijackers, said he did not believe the bombings and attempted attacks on London were carried out by British Muslims.

He condemned the killing of all innocent civilians but described attacks on British and U.S. troops in Muslim countries as "pro-life" and justified.

In an interview with Reuters, Bakri described Osama bin Laden, leader of the radical Islamist network al Qaeda, as "a sincere man who fights against evil forces".

Bakri said he would like Britain to become an Islamic state but feared he would be deported before his dream was realised.

"I would like to see the Islamic flag fly, not only over number 10 Downing Street, but over the whole world," he said.

MESSAGE OF PEACE ... MESSAGE OF WAR

A hate figure for the British tabloid press, the bearded and bespectacled Bakri said Islam contained "a message of peace for those who want to live with the Muslims in peace".

"But Islam is a message of war for those who declare war against Muslims," he said.

"I condemn any killing and any bombing against any innocent people in Britain or abroad, but I expect the British people to condemn the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan."

However, asked about Islamist attacks on British and U.S. troops and on Israelis, he said: "If violence is pro-life I don't condemn it".

Britain has around 1,100 troops in Afghanistan and 8,500 in Iraq. Prime Minister Tony Blair supported the United States in its respective invasions of both countries in 2001 and 2003.

Bakri, a 46-year-old father of six, was born in Syria and lived in Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. When the Saudi government expelled him in 1985 he came to London.

Nicknamed "The Tottenham Ayatollah" after the area of north London in which he lives, he has infuriated many Britons with his firebrand speeches and refusal to condemn suicide bombings.

He founded the British branch of Hizb ut-Tahrir, which describes itself as a non-violent political party dedicated to creating an Islamic caliphate centred on the Middle East.

But he split from the group in 1996 and set up al Muhajiroun, which won notoriety in 2001 for celebrating the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon which killed nearly 3,000 people.

Bakri has Syrian and Lebanese citizenship and says he thinks the British government might deport him to one of those two countries in the wake of this month's bombings.

"But I think that would be political suicide for the British government if they started to deport and imprison all extremists and radicals," he said.

"Because if, God forbid, something happened again, they would have nobody left to blame."




http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050722/325/fnyit.html

The_Neon_Cowboy

Any clerics doing such thing should be jailed for insigting terrorism...
Saying such crap only helps the terrorists and inspires more terrorism...

They Frown then turn around and "thumbs up" and wink to the terriorists.
They try to pull a jhon kerry thier "against it" "but thier for it." That they
found on this but thier couse is so rightous even though it's pretty much
against the religion the man is preaching .

mike2h

put a cap in his ass. bet you he & his chickenshit 'bretheren' wil stop running their mouths then.

TJ-

Goes both ways...

mike2h

what is your point? the non sociopathic/ non radical/non fundamentalist islam/whatever else types have more $$, more bullets, & more bombs, time to realy start using them. it is all about play & pay and dealing with the consequences of your actions. also included is dealing with the consequences of your inactions(meaning the borderline islamist/idiot sympathisers need to make a choice & start policing themselves- the chikenshit assholes are being funded & hidden by somebody)
& if this is just more of your asinine, uninformed rhetoric, i am really not interested in a reply from you. if you want to have an intelligent discussion, please continue.

br00ksintexas

I'd love to know why the British Govt. accepted him for citizenship after Saudi Arabia expelled him. If anything, Saudi Arabia is know for it's extreme versions of Islam, with it's majority of citizens following Wahhabism.

In the article, he seems to contradict himself many times over. He keeps saying he doesn't like the killings of innocents, yet he danced and praised when the WTC was attacked. Unless there business people in those towers were covertly operating as military forces, most of the globe would say they were truly innocent. He definitely sounds like a hypocrite to me.

In a situation such as this, it's a shame that non-violent solutions can't be initiated. I'm far from being a pacifist, but I do think that most disagreements should be initially handled with intelligence, calm, and discussion instead of violence. Talking to these extremists hasn't worked anywhere in history. Muslims fanatics ( I say fanatics because MOST Muslims are peace loving people) have been killing for thousands of years in the name of their religion. This cleric is doing nothing but to perpetuate the violent escalation of this conflict, regionally and globally. I agree, he should be captured and held for crimes of treason. He's the same as the "insurgents" in Iraq, he's just in England. Inciting his "sheepish followers" to kill is just as bad, if not worse, than pulling the trigger himself.

Necrosis

Don't worry about it Mike, remember this is coming from a guy that likes to smear poop all over every thing.

MIG-31

Because we seem to have a percentage of soft ass people who only care for their civil rights..

Apparently our government is trying to bring in a new law that concerns these loud mouthed extremists who insight terror to be deported out of the country....just no idea how long it will take to bring in or to set the ball rolling.

Quickest way would be to pop a bullet in the middle of the forehead...Not insight much after that & would be much safer,even if it's only reduced by a single prick.

radTube

Not thousands I bet, as Islam's only been around since the 7th century . Just pointing this out, sorry for going OT.

trodas

I bet my ass that he is paid provocateur by UK goverment in order to push the massive anti-terroristis agenda allowing shoot persons on sight as one poor innocent guy already experienced.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...79a86926f9.lpf

As you can read, survivor and evidence prove the bombs was under the vagon floor:

"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

Witch unfortunately for Britons suggest that these attacks was not made by the guys showed on TV, but someone else.
I would suggest secret services did it, but this has to be proven first.

mike2h

whatever . do not think much of your body parts do you?

SFOSOK

Kill the Cleric.

trodas

Why not Uk goverment run his ass out of Britain?
Because I bet my ass that he is paid provocater to shift the blame on Ismamists...

Hey - even if they have such wet dreams - they never ever announce them publicaly

I smeel something pretty fishy there.
Agenda allowing shoot persons on sight as one poor innocent guy already experienced is horrible. Not to mention this:

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...79a86926f9.lpf

As you can read, survivor and evidence prove the bombs was under the vagon floor:

"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

Witch unfortunately for Britons suggest that these attacks was not made by the guys showed on TV, but someone else.
I would suggest secret services did it, but this has to be proven first.

If you find someone lying about, it have reasons to.
And yet, minutes ago, I stumble upon THIS:



Nothing ring the bell?
Okay, let me show you. These pictures are logicaly taken BEFORE the explosions, right? Well, we should assume it w/o shadow of doubt, since after the explosions, there is chaos, smoke and many injured and dead peoples, so... These fotos are taken before the attacks and according to the goverment, they show the attackers.

Now, excuse me, but how they go under the train? No way, the bomb has to be plant there in night before the attacks, because then the trains stop in depo, and you can't get under them for the time need to plant explosives any other time.

But now, let's focus on the two fotos with timestamp on it.
It says 12:39 and 12:53 UK time.

Now let's check the news back - and according to news, czech ones there: http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/61251
Are the explosions happen at 12:38 UK time!!!

Now it is obvious, that these pictures are taken AFTER the attacks, and therefore can't show the actuall crime-scene and what's worse, they show just scapegoats, not the attackers.

Now if this is not proof, that UK goverment is behind these attacks, then I don't know what it is.

The_Neon_Cowboy

and then again maybe trodas did it give the couks time they will
come up with a conspricey thery for you to swallow hook line and sinker

0850 BST (3 expolsions) and 0947 BST (1 expolision)

BST is 1 hour ahead of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)
British Summer Time, like "daylight saveings" in america

You relise 2 things the exposions didn't all happen at the same time,
you know how often times are wrong on recording devices??? many
more times then they are correct! Know how many do daylight saveings
type setups even less!!!!! what is it with you and abousult unfounded
and baseless conspericy "theroys"

I'm seriously consideing making a flame warezone thread in your "honor"

Alistair

Seems not all sources agree with the Czech site's timing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_July...don_explosions

Assuming the 12:39 guy was involved with the 12:45 explosion, the timing works out just fine. The guy on the bus obviously would have been involved with the bus explosion at 13:30.

Neon it looks like he was referring to the explosions on the 21st.

mike2h

still think he is very confused.

trodas

Well, I just have then few serious questions. First, why shoot unarmed man, when they are holding him already?!
And what's worser, the tube driver get gun pointed to his heat too!!! :shock:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1669482005



Last time I remember state acting like this it was in WWII and nazis doing it...


And Im not entierly sure about this too. Since it is obvious who need/benefited from the attacks, I say that there is something suspicious at least... Just look at the pictures!







I find the most astonishing image to be the one that shows the upper-deck passengers "queing-up" to climb down from the rear of the bus. If I saw pools of blood and pieces of human beings littering the rear of the bus, I doubt that I'd want to wade through it all to get off. To go further, just the sight of such carnage directly behind where I was sitting would probably evoke within me, the very fear and panic that looks to be missing from the survivors' behavoir.

Whatever the case may have been, I think the explosion would have delivered the SHOCK, and the subsequent panic and hysterics (missing) would have been delivered by the sight of human carnage (also missing). Also missing: fire, heat and smoke that no one would walk through.





And for the crazy ones - quess what Kingstar company (the white van) does? Controlled explosions...






Where is some blood and guts, when IIRC 13 guys are killed there?!

And how in the hell you explain this?! How come that Netanjahu got warnign and people don't?!

http://israelnn.com/news.php3?id=85346

http://propagandamatrix.com/articles...andstogain.htm

AttroPheed

so in whatever world trodas lives in there are no terrorists? governments just blow up their citizens to scare them? to what end? and if it's the government that is perpetrating these attacks against what is essentially themselves why would they give warning to themselves? especially by way of the israeli army radio. and why the fuck would the government hire out a private company to blow up a bus when it has access to anything it would need in-house? to set up innocent muslims? to what end?

quanta67

That guy is a firkin loonatic. In England we are civilised dear boy - we don't panic even under the stress of attack. Also press shots in this country do not show 'blood and guts' in the same way they do in Russia (and by the sound of it in the Czech Republic too). Again it is called civilisation (you may have heard of it) there is a justafiable assumption that most sane people do not want to see decapitated torso's, limbs and various other dismembered body parts - no matter how much people like you might demand it for their own personal entertainment.

Anyway we caught half of the bombers who tried to do it again only a few days later - and we are catching more of them every day. Or perhaps you have some wild theories to explain them away - and all the bombs and bomb making equipment that was found on them too?

It is really quite sickening and disrespectful to those who have been killed to use these images to fuel your plainly deluded fantasies.

Captn

I agree

mike2h

those arent passengers. bty, is your room lined in aluminum?
you must be right about kingstar, they did the exposions for whatever nefarious reasons then came back in a very identifiable van to congratulate themselves on a job well done.
as aar as 'blood & guts' go, you have been watching/reading to much of something.