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Old Jul 16, 2005, 01:43 PM   #31
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So tell is oh wise one what 1st hand information you have eh?

You relying on the same media news and print for your information as well and you
know it. The same stuff you calling a load of bull your shoveling in your mouth at an
unpresidented rate . If you don't go by what the media says, what do you do just
make stuff up as you go along, come to baseless positions, just based on your hate
of the bush administation? Becouse with out the media sources you'd not even know
there was an issue!!! Liiitle lone have an idea of the situation and what is going on.

Except you probubly useing differn't sources and they all spin it one one or another.
Keep in mind normally the media in the US can't print "squwat" with out at least 2
viable sources!
Whether or not they are anti war.. that doesn't mean shit "oh wise one". He was sent over to find weapons of mass destruction due to a report and didn't find any. Because their (Bush Administration) report was bogus saying that Iraq had purchased yellowcake uranium which wasn't true. Here are two of my "sources" that you think I'm shovelling into my mouth. These reports are all over the internet and news.. so i'm sure if you don't trust these as solid evidence then i'm sure you can find many more if you feel the need.

I find it very funny after Wilson came back and debunked the claim of Iraq having yellow cake uranium, WMD or making a nuclear weapon that his wife Valerie Wilson (Plume) a CIA operative was unmasked and her cover blown.. what? because they didn't like that fact that her husband wasn't cooperating with the administration on their bullshit findings? Funny how after all this shit happened.. that Mr. George Tenant resigned from his office and used the excuse that he needed to spend more time with his family.. wow. The CIA after finding Mr. Wilsons evidence.. agreed that The documents had long been suspected as frauds by United States intelligence, and had been investigated and discounted well before these 2003 presentation.. Wilson concluded that Iraq had attempted to make such a purchase, but had been unable to complete it since yellowcake mining is managed by an international consortium and supervised by the International Atomic Energy Agency.. hmm? But was still used as ammunition for the Bush Admin.. because they wanted the war, it didn't matter how or why.. they wanted Iraq whether their findings were bullshit or not, with this dumbass Mr George Dubya "I'm a Waaarrr President" Bush and his corrupt administration. Your President was the one that sent him finally saying "He was hailed as "truly inspiring" and "courageous" after sheltering more than a hundred Americans at the US embassy in Baghdad". So his wife didn't make the last call there cowboy. I don't know were you get "your" evidence/source but it doesn't sound to me like anything remotely true in this specific case. Like I said.. if you want to keep Bush and his policies by all means.. you go right ahead cowboy, and I'll keep exercising my use of "freedom of speech". I know some of you like to compare Clinton to Bush..

Clinton: Had oral sex with an intern among other sexual endeavours while President.
Bush: He's killing thousands of American soldiers for what? I guess it's now been reported that he's doing it to liberate and save the Iraqi people. hahah



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I find this very funny too cowboy.. for someone that just posted a small story. lol
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 11:35 PM   #32
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Well it looks like my "oh wise one what 1st hand information you have eh?" has been confirmed.. Karl Rove and the leak. Oh and here's another source too just incase no one likes the New York Times..

Now we shall see what bullshit excuse the Bush Administration is going to feed to the American public this time.. I can't wait. I wonder.. is it too late for some Americans to grasp the truth? hmm..
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I am suspect of any source of information except FOX news and even that is biased towards the right..
The economy of the USA and its growth are worthy issues...
at least you didnt mention the f*&king BBC......LOL
dont even bother with damage. he just became a canadian on crack.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:02 AM   #34
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dont even bother with damage. he just became a canadian on crack.
This isn't the flamezone swatx.. if you have a problem then take it there and leave this political and religious debate too people that have a little more to offer then weak attempts of making accusations or name calling.. friend.
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Well it looks like my "oh wise one what 1st hand information you have eh?" has been confirmed.. Karl Rove and the leak. Oh and here's another source too just incase no one likes the New York Times..

Now we shall see what bullshit excuse the Bush Administration is going to feed to the American public this time.. I can't wait. I wonder.. is it too late for some Americans to grasp the truth? hmm..
"Your willing to swallow that? My God Gab.. when I see a statement like that it can do nothing but make me think that you actually believe this bullsh!t!? I mean if it's on a newspaper or tv news broadcast then IT just has to be true?"

I'd follow your own words there Damage. Oh and some of that info I already posted but you dismissed in the second quote above.

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When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.
Why do you have such a selective belief system?
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:35 AM   #36
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It's not selective Gab, we will see what happens won't we. You all think I have this hate on for America.. but I don't. He was the one that leaked the information.. not some journalist from Time Magazine, but obviously your too blind too see that. You question my point of view at every turn.. but yet you take in all the bullsh!t that your government tells you.. if you could only put in the effort you do for me and actually question your government like you question my remarks you might actually start to see things in a different light. Do you think I just woke up one morning and decided to hate Bush? I watched him and at first thought.. wow this is a great opportunity for him and the American people after 9/11 to really do some good, but it never happened, instead he let the Bin Laden family fly out of America when no one was suppose to be off the ground.. I guess reading that kindergarten school book really messed his priorities. Oh well you can go on believing what you will and I'll do the same.. but please stop beating a dead horse. If you have proof from today which is July 18 2005 that he didn't do it.. then I'm all ears. If you can prove me otherwise then I challenge you to do so.. if not then move on, and that goes for anyone else that want's to dispute my findings. *hint* *hint*

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Old Jul 18, 2005, 01:49 AM   #37
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Again read what I said in that post for what I said about Karl Rove and my position on him, or better yet I'll quote it for you:

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Oh your the most funny person in the world...

on topic:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050715/D8BBJCL00.html
And if you think we 'wrongly' have this opinion about you and America then you might want not to 'joke' about it so often.

And I like how you dodged the whole point of my post of how could my article that I posted be "bullsh!t" and yours be the "truth". Something cannot be bullsh!t one second and when you finally read past the headline of another article be truth the next. Get out of your imaginary world and your selective belief system.
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Old Jul 18, 2005, 02:02 AM   #38
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It's not selective Gab, we will see what happens won't we. You all think I have this hate on for America.. but I don't. He was the one that leaked the information.. not some journalist from Time Magazine, but obviously your too blind too see that. You question my point of view at every turn.. but yet you take in all the bullsh!t that your government tells you.. if you could only put in the effort you do for me and actually question your government like you question my remarks you might actually start to see things in a different light. Do you think I just woke up one morning and decided to hate Bush? I watched him and at first thought.. wow this is a great opportunity for him and the American people after 9/11 to really do some good, but it never happened, instead he let the Bin Laden family fly out of America when no one was suppose to be off the ground.. I guess reading that kindergarten school book really messed his priorities. Oh well you can go on believing what you will and I'll do the same.. but please stop beating a dead horse. If you have proof from today which is July 18 2005 that he didn't do it.. then I'm all ears. If you can prove me otherwise then I challenge you to do so.. if not then move on, and that goes for anyone else that want's to dispute my findings. *hint* *hint*

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Do me a favor and read this again, because this kinda bullsh!t doesn't fly when your having a debate "Get out of your imaginary world and your selective belief system"

Debate: To engage in argument by discussing opposing points or To engage in a formal discussion or argument

When you think you've got this down Gab.. let me know.

Also I apologize about what I said concerning this.. it was my bad, I should respect your train of thought no matter what I think is right or wrong. "Your willing to swallow that? My God Gab.. when I see a statement like that it can do nothing but make me think that you actually believe this bullsh!t!? I mean if it's on a newspaper or tv news broadcast then IT just has to be true?" my apologies, but do me a favor and find something to dispute my claim because I'm getting bored.
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yet you take in all the bullsh!t that your government tells you.. if you could only put in the effort you do for me and actually question your government like you question my remarks you might actually start to see things in a different light
I accept and I'll back off a little now but if you believe everything you 'think' I believe you might want to reread my posts for the two topics concerning this.

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It can only happend if you know what my position is. I have one position and I haven't changed it between the two threads.
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Please tell me what your position is so I know where you're coming from because that link and telling me "Hmm you really are the funniest man on Earth" leaves me thinking.. what the hell is he talking about?! hah
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My position is if he broke the law then he should do the time. Is Karl Rove is found guilty of breaking the law and is the one who has divulged this information then he should go to jail.
Thank you Gabriel, appreciate it and I also hope the same thing.. that something is done about it. But we will see, with the way things have gone i'm not sure if we will see justice, I think in matters like this.. justice is blind.

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Whether or not they are anti war.. that doesn't mean shit "oh wise one". He was sent over to find weapons of mass destruction due to a report and didn't find any.


No it made all the difference in the world. He was sent over to disprove/debunk such
reports as opposed to impartailly investagate them. The same findings of his that
another panel found oppsite to the mans "findings"!


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Because their (Bush Administration) report was bogus saying that Iraq had purchased yellowcake uranium which wasn't true. Here are two of my "sources" that you think I'm shovelling into my mouth. These reports are all over the internet and news.. so i'm sure if you don't trust these as solid evidence then i'm sure you can find many more if you feel the need.
You mean the bush and I belive the brittish panel came to the same findings. They hand
bough them that was never said it was siad they tried to buy yellow cake and it appears
the they did try. Though despite her husbands claims to the contrary.. Even you have conseaded that I think[color=lime][color=red]**[/color] [/color]

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I find it very funny after Wilson came back and debunked the claim of Iraq having yellow cake uranium, WMD or making a nuclear weapon that his wife Valerie Wilson (Plume) a CIA operative was unmasked and her cover blown.. what?


Cover n the ligest since theat every CIA agent is "under cover" from the moment
they are brung to the farm for traning and testing. Untill when ever... She works a
"deskjob" at langly and hasn't even been over seas. under the statue she doesnt even
quailfy as a "covert" operitve under the satute!!! especally with the was i said about it
was common knowledge among her freinds a neighbors and relivtives and no "big secret" she was CIA.

She wanted to play politics yet stay out of the media and hide behind a certain
america doesn't work that way. You play poloitics you becouse open to the media
or you don't and stay private.


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because they didn't like that fact that her husband wasn't cooperating with the administration on their bullshit findings? Funny how after all this shit happened.. that Mr. George Tenant resigned from his office and used the excuse that he needed to spend more time with his family.. wow. The CIA after finding Mr. Wilsons evidence.. agreed that The documents had long been suspected as frauds by United States intelligence, and had been investigated and discounted well before these 2003 presentation..
Funny when forighn investiagetions had finding that iraq had tried to buy
yellow cake as well .

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[color=lime][color=red]Wilson concluded that Iraq had attempted to make such a purchase, but had been unable to complete it[/color] [/color]since yellowcake mining is managed by an international consortium and supervised by the International Atomic Energy Agency.. hmm? But was still used as ammunition for the Bush Admin..
Again I've never read they ever bought any but tried that shows malice. I mean So if I
were to shoot at you it wasn't attepted murder unless I hit you right? No! it showed intent
for them to build nukes. That they were actively seeking out thing they would need.
they wen't looking to buy nuclear material to make easy bake ovens. But to try to build
bombs. Such bombs have 1 pupouse to kill people especally with a dictator that says when he gets them he will use them.

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So his wife didn't make the last call there cowboy. I don't know were you get "your" evidence/source but it doesn't sound to me like anything remotely true in this specific case. Like I said.. if you want to keep Bush and his policies by all means.. you go right ahead cowboy, and I'll keep exercising my use of "freedom of speech". I know some of you like to compare Clinton to Bush..

Clinton: Had oral sex with an intern among other sexual endeavours while President.

Bush: He's killing thousands of American soldiers for what? I guess it's now been reported that he's doing it to liberate and save the Iraqi people. hahah
Um his wife reccomened him in the 1st place and he wasn't sent "by the president".
AS I'm sure he wouldn't have chosen anti war zellot to have look see. He was chosen
and sent bushes compliments "after the fact" didn't mean much. He didn't pick and send him as you seem to belive les t that not the way they story has been told a million times.

Well you forgten Clintion his endovers as governer as well as useing 2 million tax dallor illegally to fund his capain for president. Attending parties where sex with minors an drugs
wer going on. Accusations of RAPE , cought on video going to hotels with hookers just for
Secret severs showing up when the guy calls the tabliods. His videos are taken he get
the shit kicked out of himself. connectioms to orgnaised crime. his wife and white water
scandle! Draft doging! Watch that video man If even 1/10 is true hes bad bad man...

The democrats are more ashamed of bush in a flight suit then clintion with his pants
down..

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Well it looks like my "oh wise one what 1st hand information you have eh?" has been confirmed.. Karl Rove and the leak. Oh and here's another source too just incase no one likes the New York Times..

Now we shall see what bullshit excuse the Bush Administration is going to feed to the American public this time.. I can't wait. I wonder.. is it too late for some Americans to grasp the truth? hmm..
Reporter(s) talked to other unpublicly named officals before they ever talked to rove. Who told them that the guy wife had had something to do with him being sent over. It doesn't take a recoket scientist to put two and two togeater thier marrage is public record and finding her name was only a matter of time one that inffomation was known.

Did you know they husband and wife were featured in vanity fair twice??? Pictures and all!!! Giant 2 page fold out of her and her husband... Wow that not something a covert agent would ever do! it call a lowe profile ever heard of it ? she was high profile with her picture and name and connection to get hisband flaoting about. She smelled of a "goverment agent" at the very lest.

Did you know the law in question is a "left over" from the cold war era???

Though the media and deocratic heat is on rove the "foucus" of the investigation
has turned else were.

As for sources of my inforation? TV live interviews with Carl roves atterney, TV disussion, internet news, live interviews with her previous superviser at the CIA , the newspaper

etc...

As for iraq information? God what feels like about a million hours of TV + web news+ specails etc etc etc...+ newspaper... etc..

It funny how many of you guys that are critical of the US, bash the US, Are anti US
are on forign soil and how few are actually "in the US"... What would you guys do if
not pickng on the US all day? looking around reliseing not all is well?? I see more
stuff about the US and US officals then anything else buy far it actually seem rare to
hear anything else with out the USA and what someone thinks is wrong being the main topic. As if the rest of the world didn't exist anymore ...
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wow your really in the writing mood tonight eh cowboy.. I'm sorry.. but I can barely understand what point your trying to make here.. let alone some of your sentences. I'm not being rude just truthful. Your Anti-US crap that you and others keep bringing up isn't a valid point Cowboy, so please stop with the "your all anti-us" phrases.. it is getting really really old bud. Like I said before and it goes out too all that want to discredit my information.. if you can find solid proof that offers another honest alternative source to the situation.. then by all means show it too me, I have an open mind. But this going back and forth is senseless and really dull.

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It's funny how all the Clinton bashers like Neon now use the exact same hyper-technical arguments to justify Rove's actions that Clinton was so roundly criticised for (and rightly so). The bottom line is that Rove, for political purposes, exposed a CIA "employee" whom he perhaps didn't know was an agent but he sure as hell didn't know she wasn't an agent, and then lied about it on TV. I guess all of the Bush/Rove fear-mongering about homeland security doesn't apply to them when politics come into play. If all that's ok in Neon's world then heaven help us all.

Oh and by the way, Neon, I can't believe that you have the gall to comment on Clinton's lack of service in Vietnam. Much better for Bush to use his daddy's silver spoon so that he can protect Alabama from "Charlie"?

Again... Hippocrites.

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wow your really in the writing mood tonight eh cowboy.. I'm sorry.. but I can barely understand what point your trying to make here.. let alone some of your sentences. I'm not being rude just truthful. Your Anti-US crap that you and others keep bringing up isn't a valid point Cowboy, so please stop with the "your all anti-us" phrases.. it is getting really really old bud. Like I said before and it goes out too all that want to discredit my information.. if you can find solid proof that offers another honest alternative source to the situation.. then by all means show it too me, I have an open mind. But this going back and forth is senseless and really dull.

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he is saying it really shouldnt matter to you because you are not a us citizen
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It's quite interesting that while the press is telling you one thing in what they print/broadcast, it's quite the opposite in what they are saying in court: http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s1...%20(Final).PDF

They tell US that a crime has been commited, but this brief filed by 36 various news orginzations claims the NO CRIME was committed.

Come on libs, make up you mind
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he is saying it really shouldnt matter to you because you are not a us citizen
Thanks for your input on that swatx.. that's deep and insightful..
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