What a bunch of morons

daRk_heLmet

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...rld&-1&wvx-300

Well, the website guy is an idiot/retarded no doubt, but the way fox news guys talk, abusing, they turn out to be the bigger morons. I mean, if somebody else is an ignorant idiot, you dont have to be one, or else no diff between you and him.....

http://michaelcrook.com/mikesweblog/?q=node&from=10
this is that idiot's blog.

GraveYardLord

"There is a site out there, called forsakethetroops.net. It is being presented as my work, but apparently the work of someone who identifies themselves as "Brad Kramer".

It has basically stolen the basic look of my Forsake The Troops domain, which is now down, and for sale. Add to that the picture of military fags on the website, and it adds up to a disgusting website.

The previous host was NDCHost, but according to a traceroute, the site is hosted, as I type this, by www.secure.net. You may e-mail complaints about the .net site to abuse@secure.net."


That was taken from the link you gave to the guys blog.

BTW, you just got to love "fox news", but if i really wanna see that kind of show ill rather watch Jerry Springer at least its not called the Jerry Springer news channel. Pretty funny stuff.

br00ksintexas

Actually, I think Sean Hannity was telling the guest "How it is" in *Real Man's Terms*, something the guest should've thought about before posting asinine opinions on the Internet. Michael Crook IS an idiot. He IS ignorant. He IS a moron. I feel almost sad calling him a "he" because it would seem he lacks any real kind of balls. Posting on his site isn't putting his money where his mouth is. If he was serious, then he could run for office and change policy, make a difference, instead of wasting bandwidth with his vast amounts or mis-information and vile bullshit.
My take on the whole situation is this is a guy who was probably turned down for military service because of physical or mental disorders and he's bitter now, because he's got no job, no benefits, and with the way he's spewing ignorant bullshit on his site, no support from anyone with any kind of moral fiber. Supporting the troops doesn't mean you support the govt. machine who sent them there. It doesn't mean you support the foreign policy of our's or others nations. It doesn't mean you even have to dislike who we're taking up arms against. What it does mean, however, is that you respect and honor the whole premise of our military. The U.S. Military is designed to defend our country. It's also protected every freedom we have, from time to time. Also, for the most part, it's a voluntary service. Sure, many now days joined for the promise of *educational assistance*. Hey, shit happens. It doesn't mean they're all morons. It also doesn't mean that they can now "opt out of their signed legal obligations" just because we're at war. (I'd like to state here, that I personally don't feel we're at war in Iraq, but that it's more of a police action/ troop training/ peace keeping environment. They do have their own govt. now, and if we all recall correctly, America STILL has large amounts of ground forces in Germany, Italy, Japan, and N. Korea, all nations we were previously at war with. Some of these places we've had troops in almost 60 years.) A
Anyway, there are definitely more sites on the net promoting troop support vs. forsaking them. I can't imagine how miserable Michael Crook's life must be, that he'd actually waste his time and efforts to post the kind of bullshit I just perused on his sites.
I wonder how many on this site, or on the net, or in society for that matter share this dolt's personal views of the military. I'm not speaking as a whole for the military, but just against the average military enlistee. I wonder if this lackluster unoriginal asswipe would think about spitting on a returning troop, or if anyone here would for that matter. I also wonder about individuals like this, thinking to myself "Is there ANYTHING in life these kind of fags WOULD fight for?". All that bitching and moaning, but not one iota of action in the least.

OldBuzzard

I find it quite interesting that even LIBERAL Alan Colmes jumped on that waste of protoplasm with both feet.

I seriously doubt that he ever tried to enlist. People of his ilk do not have the backbone to even attempt to enlist. He's a coward, and just wants to make himself 'feel good' by insulting people that are infinitely better than he is.

You almost have to feel sorry for the likes of him. They must lead such a sad and joyless life.

raid517

Erm.. so what does it prove by putting up an obvious mental retard on Fox News - and then having a somewhat skilled reporter berrate him?

Unless of course (as is often the case with Murdoch media) that is also the type of person that Fox news is also aimed at?

Yeah, it's a whole different take on reality, aint it? I mean did you catch the warm fuzzy near on boot lickingly admiring advert for an upcomming interview with George Bush, immediately prior to this 'news item.'

I guess the only way you can make Bush look any better is by putting a genuine retard up against him to debate his policies. Lol, way to go to help Bush look smarter!

GJ

pr0digal jenius

only in america...

yoda133113

While don't like Hannity's style, he's right that this guy is an idiot etc., 2 of the top three post on his blog, he points out not calling a lynching a crime, and he says the holocaust never happened, this guy is a moron who didn't deserve the screentime he got from fox news. The fact that Colmes jumped in to criticize this guy also just shows that apparently this is not a republican/democrat thing it's a he is an idiot that truly beleives it is a good thing when people die (two other posts, one about an explosion in a tunnel and the other about the missing girl in aruba support this).

I really can't see how someone can have an opinion like this, but it is obvious that he doesn't have the same value for life that most people have. And he says that our values would be just fine without the military (freedom of speech, etc.) but how is that, without the military to protect us we would have someone come in and take us over or just kill us, and without the pay/benefits we have now the military would be even more hardpressed to get people than they already are which would still leave us unprotected.

Sandok

I totally hate Fox News... It's the worst hard right stupid biased news thing ever. That guy always cuts people, never talks (the first one).

And attacking Iraq is in no way ever protecting liberties in the US... That was their major argument and it simply isn't true. They're trying to protect iraqi liberties, not damn american ones....

I just hate fox news, the creator of the site may be a dumbass but those people on fox are just 10 times worst.

yoda133113

The creator of the site isn't arguing against this war, he is arguing for less pay for the military ever, in war/peace, and he is cheering when individuals die, the military is needed to protect our liberties whether this war is or not.

And as far as this war not protecting american liberties if sadam supported terrorism (and he did) then he is threatening american liberties, not just iraqi thus we have enough reason right there. (just like in my opinion we have reason to focus our attention towards N. Korea, not necessarily attack them outright, but they are similar to sadam's iraq, but with proven nuclear ability, not just local chemical weapons like sadam had). Besides I personally think that protecting freedom and liberty is enough reason alone because IMO we should all have the privilege of living in a free-capitalist society (heck even the quasi-socialism of a lot of europe is much better than the totalitarian dictatorship that sadam had).

Sandok

But if the people of the country (in this case iraq) didn't ask you guys to go save them, then why do it? You won't imagine the number of countries all harbouring terrorism but you don't attack them for you freedom of the US. Oil played a major role, economic developpement, etc... And you guys attacked a country with no army, or anything. A few thousand dead is nothing, it's not a war.

Why you don't attack N Korea is because they most probably have nukes and if you attack em, your in also for a bad surprise.

Castro right next to you guys is a dictator but lives fine, with no probs. You have aims and goals and intentions and only when war seems like a good idea do you do it, not out of necessity. The world has no control over the US, that we know but before you guys become the next major target of internatiol fury, maybe you'll think twice? American hatred is on the rise and I sadly think that there is going to be a major war for anything to fall in place. US wanting more, musilim nations hating you guys like hell and China slowly taking over the markets and politics.

raid517

Why are you giving this total wreck of a human being credit by even bothering to talk about him?

Fox news can dig up any number of morons, both from the left and right, but it doesn't really prove anything.

The only possible purpose of digging up someone so idiotically and midlessly dumb and then giving them air time is a possible 5th grade attempt to make Bush look good by implying that anyone who disagrees with the war and with Bush, must be as equally stupid as this guy.

But I assure you that this is very much not the case.

This is nothing more than some dumb, cheap, stupid classic Murdoch tabloid Journalism.

I can't believe you guys can watch stuff like this and take this channel seriously.

GJ

BWX

Do you watch fox news?

Sandok

Trust me, it's the a news channel I never touch... Sky and ITV all the way for me!

raid517

Sky is Fox - or at least they are owned by the same company. They may not be as rabidly right wing as Fox, but they certainly still lean that way.

GJ

yoda133113

Actually I disagree with my countrie's stance on Cuba, the bay of pigs fiasco was rediculous and we should have gone in and taken him out. Plus we actually have a large base on cuban territory to keep watch of cuba, but un-like iraq where there was a dictator who has threatened other countries (including the us) and has directly supported terrorism agains US + US allies, Castro sits there content with his little island, I would love to see Cuba become it's own free country as opposed to what it is now, but it appears that nothing is going to happen to it until castro dies (which should be happening in the next 5-10 years he's already old as heck.

And you say that the world has no control over the US, well they shouldn't. Most of us in the US believe what we believe in very strongly, we are willing to fight for our rights and liberties, and we think that other should be granted the same rights so they can chose to be whatever they want to be rather than some dictator, or comunist gov't to chose for them.

And as far as Iraqi citizens asking for any help, how would you propose they do this, on the off chance they could get a message out of Iraq, then sadam would have had them killed rather quickly thus preventing further leakage of that sort.

Sandok

The iraqies had ot use diplomacy... I mean, my country india fought against an oppreser and even if many were killed, we got our freedom without violence. If iraqies wanted freedom, they just had to try and ask for the help. Anyways, too late for that.

Well if nobody has control over the US then it's a dangerous country no? A rogue country as you say. You protect and serve what you want, not what democracy wants. And you say the others should be granted the same right wether they want a dictator or no... Well you didn't give the choice to iraq. For example. And I mean, we have international boundiers and stuff but the US always thinks they are above it. The UN for example is here to choose what is right and wrong out of a countries borders... US didn't really listen. And how can attackin Iraq, a country that NEVER EVER INVADED ANYTHING REMOTELY AMERICAN threaten your rights and liberties... In that case, they invaded my countries rights and liberties too cuz iraq must have done something world wide...

(raid... Well sky is brit so they are maybe rightish but not when it comes to the US polotics which is what I care for...)

PS: sry for my horrible english...

yoda133113

The bad is not a problem that is quite understandable

I don't watch sky so I don't follow whether they are right or left, I consider Fox slightly to the right of middle (considerably to the left of me as a whole, but many of their announcers are right winged), but on a whole I prefer fox to most, and while I don't like Hannity as a representative of right wing values, I do however like the station. CNN however is the mouthpiece of the democratic party, but then that's life.

As far as US as a rogue country, you could kinda say that, but then I don't think that any country should be ruled by the rest of the world, I don't really support the UN anymore either, I mean come-on Libya is on the civil liberties council (or whatever it is called) and Kofi Anon is still the head, even after admitting to the whole oil for food scandal thing. Not to mention that I personally think that the countries should get as much voting power as they contribute as far as troops and money (a you get what you put in kinda deal) and that's not even close ot how it is.

BTW: It's been nice debating with you, even though we obviously disagree.

BWX

So you hate fox news, the entire channel, but you never watch it. do you even receive it where you live?

radTube

Wouldn't that just make UN a means of enforcing the will of the rich and powerful over the poor and powerless? That would be... very capitalistic, right? It sure as hell wouldn't be democratic of fair. You might as well suggest that rich people should get more votes than poor people in your next presidential election.

raid517

Pah! Same old ass crap. Nothing ever really changes.

FYI since you appear to be new to this section, let me just repeat something that has probably been repeated a million times over here - and that is that very clearly there are many people in the world who do not want to copy your way of life - no matter how forcefully you may feel the need to shove it down their throats.

They have their own cultures, their own beliefs, their own traditions - and they see the American way of doing things as deeply threatening and alien to this.

Take that in and you might at least begin to understand why there is often so much hostility to American meddling in these foreign and often very ancient cultures.

GJ

raid517

Of course he does. In Europe I'm sure you will be suprised to learn that we are actually suprisingly technologically advanced.

We have had satelite TV for at least the last 35 years.

We are not quite the stone age monkeys that you imagine us to be - even if that impression is often reciprocated.

GJ

Sandok

I do get Fox News on my satelitte. And I used to watch it just after 9/11 but since then, it's just kept on dropping in my esteem. I used to love it and now hate it... It's just a personal thing...

yoda133113

Begining to think that this discusion should be moved to fwz, i don't want it to, but what do i know, mods it's your call

Well unless it's your soldiers dieing for what the UN choses then yes it kinda is, but this could very easily be changed there could be a maximum amount that 1 country could support the UN with, but right now the US is the supplier of more than 50% of the UNs money and troops which is rediculous IMO, and I am personally all for changing this.

I don't really want to copy my way of life, I would just like the individual to chose their own way of life, instead of a totalitarian dictator chosing it for them. And I wouldn't realy call sadam controlled iraq an ancient culture, virtually all of the aincient history stuff in bagdad is gone because of sadam.

why do you say of course he does, not all of america has Fox news (not all cable companies support it yet) so why would this be a stone age thing for him to not have fox news. Just like I don't get sky on tv either, yet I wouldn't consider myself a monkey.

Sandok

I do agree that even I have lots repsect for the UN in recent times and all but still, we must have some law out there so that nobody can monopolise. Most problems start with monopolisiing (m$ gets control, virus gets created...) adn well, I like the US in many ways but sometimes you guys do put your stake for liberty and freedom too much. I understand those are american values (hell, i lived in the US for a while) but as you step back, you see that the US ins't the only one defending those values.

Others defend it to, just differently. I live in a neutral country with no army so in that sense, I find it fun to see how the french/germans react and then the US/uk for the same subjects. We won't even find a middle ground, that's for sure, the US will stay powerful and uncontraobale by the world. I don't think the US SHOULD be controled by the world, just limited from time to time... Unlimited power ain't ever good (look what happened to anakin in SW.. Too much power)

And please, I hate it when these discussions go into sterotypes. Yes some people think that europe is old and some don't. In many ways, we do get stuff later (first japan, then the US and last euro) but we aren't ages behind. And sometimes we even get stuff first (like Dragon Ball Z!!! (well I did in my country)).

Anyways, we all know that there will always be powerful nations and democracy will never fully exist. The US will stay like this for another three years. Maybe, with a different president the views of the US population will change. Don't count on it, and why should we? The US isn't the world's police. It's something different alltogether.