What a bunch of morons

~~GraveYardLord~~ · Jun 8, 2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

only in america...

Pretty much summs up this topic.

raid517 · Jun 8, 2005, 05:11 PM

Pah..! You walk down any Tokyo street and you will see symbols of American influence everywhere. You are not looking deeply enough into what American culture means to most people. Having said this I'm not always clear what American culture is myself - except that (from a certain perspective) it is about Macdonalds, Micky Mouse, often incredibly bad TV - and loose morals. I think that it's the last part that often sticks in the throat of many countries with their own deeply developed sense of culture. They see your crime, you drugs, your corruption and your loose morals as fundamentally opposed to everything they understand or believe in. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I believe Americans have loose morals - at least not any looser than my own. But the perception among other cultures who have a much stricter sense of morality is that Americans do have loose morals.

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now we send missionaries of many different religions (mostly christian) to peacefully spread christianity, but that is entirely a non-govermental thing supported entirely by private citizens and is done fromother countries in similar ways.

Aint that always the way, first you send the military, then you send in the profiteers, then in their footsteps follow the missionaries. And then you try to imply that this doesn't really have any impact.

Oh well in the end I guess we all see the world though different eyes. I just wish people like you could see too that not everyone in the world thinks that the American way of life, or American influence in their lives, really is what is best for everyone.

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I don't think we have any large bases in France anymore for instance

So I guess you have never heard of Evreux Air Force Base? Like I said, you go, you stay and you don't ever seem to leave.

I once saw a map of all of the American bases in the world (I wish I could find it again) and from what I saw it was every bit as impressive as any map showing the military bases of the Roman or the British Empire when they were at their hight. For example why does Britain need American bases? We are not threatened by anyone - and can still do a pretty good job of looking after outselves. So why 60 years on do we still have such huge American bases in our country?

Anyway I'm afraid I won't be picking this up again. I already had this debate many times over on this forum and I am in no hurry to repeat it again. Try reading over some of the old threads here to see what most members views on these topics are. Unfortunately the war, the UN and all that sort of stuff just seems like so much old news now.

GJ

BWX · Jun 8, 2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by raid517

I'm not always clear what American culture is myself -

except that (from a certain perspective) it is about Macdonalds, Micky Mouse, often incredibly bad TV - and loose morals. I think that it's the last part that often sticks in the throat of many countries with their own deeply developed sense of culture. They see your crime, you drugs, your corruption and your loose morals as fundamentally opposed to everything they understand or believe in.

Obviously you don't know what American culture is. With freedom people have choice, some people don't make the right choices. Those people are not the majority. A country's culture is not made up of the actions and bad choices of the minority. The "culture" certainly is not a restaurant. :-/

So is Southeast Asia's culture human (child) trafficking? No...
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...an+trafficking

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Originally Posted by raid517

But the perception among other cultures who have a much stricter sense of morality is that Americans do have loose morals.

Oh? and who might that be? The UK?

raid517 · Jun 8, 2005, 06:31 PM

Lol, well my point is that that's the peception. There is no point picking on me for it. I didn't make it that way.

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But the perception among other cultures who have a much stricter sense of morality is that Americans do have loose morals

Oh? and who might that be? The UK?

Ha ha... no I hardly think so. Indeed there are many who would say that morality in this country has gone to pot too.

But there are many different cultures in the world, be they in the Mid East, Africa, or East Asia who have a funamentally different perception of morality - and also of what it means to be free.

In case you haven't noticed, it is these countries who object most to your country meddling in their affairs.

But like I said, that's not my problem. If you have a gripe with that, take it up with them. There isn't much I can do to change anyone's views on this.

GJ

Captn · Jun 8, 2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sandok

I totally hate Fox News... It's the worst hard right stupid biased news thing ever. That guy always cuts people, never talks (the first one).

And attacking Iraq is in no way ever protecting liberties in the US... That was their major argument and it simply isn't true. They're trying to protect iraqi liberties, not damn american ones....

I just hate fox news, the creator of the site may be a dumbass but those people on fox are just 10 times worst.

Are you a CNN fan(Communist News Network)....

99.9% of all news media is biased one way or the other.

Captn · Jun 8, 2005, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by raid517

You are not looking deeply enough into what American culture means to most people. Having said this I'm not always clear what American culture is myself - except that (from a certain perspective) it is about Macdonalds, Micky Mouse, often incredibly bad TV - and loose morals. I think that it's the last part that often sticks in the throat of many countries with their own deeply developed sense of culture. They see your crime, you drugs, your corruption and your loose morals as fundamentally opposed to everything they understand or believe in.

I have to agree with you that alot of americans(40% im guessing) have sick morals, and as far corruption & drugs thats world wide also. Raid517 I believe that this is the 1st time I have EVER agreed with you on anything!

Oh yea I almost forgot, McDonalds makes me puke and our shows on TV are not what they were 50 years ago.

Sandok · Jun 9, 2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Captn

Are you a CNN fan(Communist News Network)....

99.9% of all news media is biased one way or the other.

did you even read my posts you sick facist? I said I only watch Sky and ITV (and I way prefer ITV out of the two)....

daRk_heLmet · Jun 9, 2005, 03:25 PM

I think BBC is the best. My professor (social sciences) said, they have the most un biased news. I have heard a lot of others say that. I have even heard, that fox news is goign down the crappy road these days, remeber the fox reporter who drew a map on the sand to show location....again what a moron.

BWX · Jun 9, 2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by daRk_heLmet

I think BBC is the best. My professor (social sciences) said, they have the most un biased news. I have heard a lot of others say that. I have even heard, that fox news is goign down the crappy road these days, remeber the fox reporter who drew a map on the sand to show location....again what a moron.

That was Heraldo Rivera.. he's a moron.
Fox news has both sides- people on the "left" consider hearing both sides (conservative and liberal) to be one sided. BBC (which I get and have watched before) is as one sided as it gets. Someone very liberal might see them as balanced.

Sandok · Jun 10, 2005, 12:04 AM

Most people I know find fox mostly one sided... Well they have both parties but always promote more one of the two...

BBC is great too, very good for me (and no, I'm not liberal) It all depends. Fine, I got the best most unbiased news station in the world EVER. It used to be my fav too, just revently I haven't been watching. It's... EURONEWS. The thing is fast, no talk shows, just news every half hour. They tell you what's happeneing in the world and that's it. It's really good!!!