Why is Canada such a horrible place to live?

EleazarCAST · Apr 18, 2005, 02:39 AM

I have been seeing many posts lately on how terrible and dreadful America is from battleaxe. So, it seems very fitting to enlighten him. I propose an intellectual debate on Canada. Obviously such a discussion would not include battleaxe. Please post all sources of proof.

Single most important fact about Canada in regards to the U.S.:

"Over 40% of Canadian teens think America is evil"
http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm

Canadians should be added to the Axis of Evil (not meant to be taken seriously)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/callahan/callahan126.html

Why do Canadian entrepreneurs and others who travel to the island ignore Castro's abyssmal human rights record?
http://198.62.75.1/www2/fcf/canada.html

Canada loses their upright citizens
http://www.americandaily.com/article/660 (this article contains links to other articles that explain in greater detail the problems with Canada)

Canada has a worse crime rate than the U.S. (Their a bunch of violent loons)
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78

Chinese Family moves to Canada and loses their daughter to a satanic cult
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_415461.htm

Another article about Canadian crime rate rising greatly
http://www.fradical.com/Violent_crim...ics_Canada.htm

Strict gun laws in Canada cause higher crime rate
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/...ates_crime.htm

Well, I wouldn't wan't to live in Canada. It just isn't a safe place to live. Canada's crime makes our school shootings in the U.S. look like a vacation to Hawaii. Liberalism always achieves the exact opposite of its intended purpose. Stict policy on guns will decrease crime. Thats what one with the mental disorder called liberalism would think. (here's the proof its a mental disorder http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...56149?v=glance)
Instead as we see from proof it achieves the opposite. One things you will never see from our friends over in Europe and Canada that have strict policies on guns is proof. Notice how they never list sources showing it reduces crime. The reason is because it just flat out doesn't. Of course their elitist ego's have a hard time accepting their ever wrong about anything. So what do they have to fall back on. Well they bash the U.S. of course.

bananaman · Apr 18, 2005, 03:00 AM

I must admit i having looked at these articles i do not think any of these articles can be defined as proof. Statements such as crime in the UK has gone up 54% and America has decreased - what on earth does that mean - that could be in the UK it goes from 2 to 3 and in the USA it goes from 250,000 to 249,000; those statements mean nothing. It would be interesting to see a statistic of gun crimes per capita for the two countries rather than meaningless statments such as those in the article

I also dont see why 40% of canadian teens thinking America is evil makes Canada a bad place to live.

And as regards to Castro - denial of freedom etc. one should think about Guantanamo bay and also from what I remember Cuba has one of the best national health services that puts the US to absolute shame (this is an interesting read - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro).

nana

Warpy · Apr 18, 2005, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EleazarCAST

I have been seeing many posts lately on how terrible and dreadful America is from battleaxe. So, it seems very fitting to enlighten him. I propose an intellectual debate on Canada. Obviously such a discussion would not include battleaxe. Please post all sources of proof.

Single most important fact about Canada in regards to the U.S.:

"Over 40% of Canadian teens think America is evil"
http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm

Canadians should be added to the Axis of Evil (not meant to be taken seriously)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/callahan/callahan126.html

Why do Canadian entrepreneurs and others who travel to the island ignore Castro's abyssmal human rights record?
http://198.62.75.1/www2/fcf/canada.html

Canada loses their upright citizens
http://www.americandaily.com/article/660 (this article contains links to other articles that explain in greater detail the problems with Canada)

Canada has a worse crime rate than the U.S. (Their a bunch of violent loons)
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78

Chinese Family moves to Canada and loses their daughter to a satanic cult
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_415461.htm

Another article about Canadian crime rate rising greatly
http://www.fradical.com/Violent_crim...ics_Canada.htm

Strict gun laws in Canada cause higher crime rate
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/...ates_crime.htm

Well, I wouldn't wan't to live in Canada. It just isn't a safe place to live. Canada's crime makes our school shootings in the U.S. look like a vacation to Hawaii. Liberalism always achieves the exact opposite of its intended purpose. Stict policy on guns will decrease crime. Thats what one with the mental disorder called liberalism would think. (here's the proof its a mental disorder http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...56149?v=glance)
Instead as we see from proof it achieves the opposite. One things you will never see from our friends over in Europe and Canada that have strict policies on guns is proof. Notice how they never list sources showing it reduces crime. The reason is because it just flat out doesn't. Of course their elitist ego's have a hard time accepting their ever wrong about anything. So what do they have to fall back on. Well they bash the U.S. of course.

Care to tell us were a safe place is to live? Canada is a lot safer than many other countries, that being parts of the U.K, the U.S.A, many eastern European countries, and the Middle East.

Sure Canada has it's fair share of troubles, but you have pluked out the worst, the stories that hit the media. If you wish to get into statistics, then do a checkup on the USA.

Your comments regarding bashing the USA might just be related to the fact the USA is next door and given their problems with behaviour and general day to day dramas they have a right to be concerned. I know I would.

Tipstaff · Apr 18, 2005, 03:48 AM

This is too funny. Nice start there Eleazar.

Yes, I'm Canadian, but I've always believed if you can't laugh at yourself, and take things too seriously all the time when someone criticizes you, then you deserve to ridiculed with impunity.

That aside...

I won't post any proof, but the only Canadians and Americans that hate each other are those that have some sort of political gain to be made from it. Problem is, that starts to funnel down through the ranks (if you will) thanks to the media (TV shows, newspapers, news broadcasts), and becomes "I hate Canadians/American because.. blah blah.. <insert political view>".

I really dislike when people tout the "Why can't we all get along" bull I keep seeing. Those are the people that are clueless to the differences between our 2 countries. Sure we have similar cultures, have the same past ties (we all came from England once upon a time), share entertainment (TV, sports, movies, music, and so forth), share resources, and share the same overall moral views, but we are different. Problem is the political differences/views/policies, the ones our 2 governments make, are the ones that make headlines, and are also the ones most talked about.. bitterly. Said thing is, these aren't the views of 90% of each of our 2 countries citizens, but that never gets discussed. Just the bad/negative stuff does.

How can 'we get along' if it's always about negative bull$#!^? I mean, for Pets' sake, is that all there is in our 2 countries? If that is the case.. invade, or even nuke us, and get it over with cuz I don't think I can take much more of this depressing, whinny, bickering.

Truth be told, both our countries have their share of problems... and they actually are the same ones: murder, rape, drugs, car jacking, illegal gambling, homelessness, child/spouse abuse, medical, financial, theft, you name it, we both have it. Period. The debate about who has more of it is irrelevant. Crime is crime, and statistics.. statistics are bull$#!^. Most statistical information is politically backed in some form or another, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Anyways, I'm outta here. This is really depressing. I love being Canadian. However, I am disgusted at our leaders sometimes, and at a lot my fellow Canuckers.. for spouting the very bull that is alienating America and Canada from each other. It stinks, it's not useful, and it needs to stop or we will be at each others throats one day.. physically. We may have differences between our 2 countries, but when it gets to that point.. well, then you will truely see how much alike we really are.

-Tip

technonerd · Apr 18, 2005, 04:25 AM

I'm a Canadian and American citizen(Yes I applied exam). I lived in USA for 5 years because of farming with my Uncle.

I believe the aritcle is bullshit. Teens are dumbass, ask adults instead. I think nonsense stuff as teen too. Eleazer.....are you one of them?

I like the gun restrict law, I own a gun and I have to keep my gun in the case with lock. If I want to go hunting, I pay a liscense and it's doesn't bother me at all. I can walk at midnight in downtown at Vancouver, toronto and Calgary with no worries. I wouldn't even want to walk midnight in Wasginton, Dallas, New york. My cuz got shot in houston, Texas.

http://www.answers.com/topic/crime-in-canada
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

Here's a true fact about crime rate in canada

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/040728/d040728a.htm

Anyways, I love USA and Canada and don't mind living either.

~~Vasot~~ · Apr 18, 2005, 06:10 AM

Canada is a great looking country only it is so Coldddddddd

It reminds me Middle Earth but with modern Buildings
Off course Scotland is even better with Gothic historical Castles etc

I love Medieval kind of Sets with big Forests a little cloudy weather etc
But these North countries are so Cold

From the other hand USA looks like shit

EleazarCAST · Apr 18, 2005, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

Care to tell us were a safe place is to live? Canada is a lot safer than many other countries, that being parts of the U.K, the U.S.A, many eastern European countries, and the Middle East.

Sure Canada has it's fair share of troubles, but you have pluked out the worst, the stories that hit the media. If you wish to get into statistics, then do a checkup on the USA.

Your comments regarding bashing the USA might just be related to the fact the USA is next door and given their problems with behaviour and general day to day dramas they have a right to be concerned. I know I would.

You said Canada is a safer place to live than the U.S.A. Explain to me how that is when you have a higher crime rate than us. Of course you made no mention of any reasons for your remarks.

You then say I plucked out the worst. Actually maybe your social healthcare system would be the worst. Putting doctors into poverty and making long waits just to get any surgery done. If your lucky you wont die before you get a heart transplant done. You also say to do a checkup on the USA but yet, again nothing to prove what you say. You seem just to have a bunch of misconceptions about the U.S. It is the only explanation I can think of for all your unsubstantiated claims about how the U.S. is so horrible. You can't prove it, because there is nothing to prove.

Your last statement doesn't make any sense. You talk first about justifying why you U.S. bash by saying its because their next door and have alleged "problems", yet you follow it up by saying the U.S. has a right to be concerned. So is this about your bashing or our right to be concerned. Do we have a right to be concerned or do you mean you have a right to be concerned, and therefore take anything that happens in the U.S. our liberal media puts their slant to and then bash the straw man. Yeah it sounds more like the latter to me.

Laslty if you haven't noticed yet, this thread's main purpose was to have battleaxe face the facts. He is constantly criticizing the U.S., but yet he never looks at his own country. I am actually very fond of Canada and used to frequently attend the Shaw Festivals held there. If you enjoy plays, this is a must. I haven't seen higher quality productions than those that are held at the Shaw Festival. I just got back from a trip to New York and saw The Phantom of the Opera on broadway. It wasn't nearly as spectacular and impressive as the Canada showing.

Also some of you have started attempting to punch holes in my sources. I am namely speaking of the supposed U.K. only article banana is discussing. If you read down you will see that it is inclusive of Canada. The whole idea behind them is that they are NRA talking points. They will have other topic not relating to Canada. The point of this posting is also to combat the idea of battleaxe a drippy(or whatever his name is) that strict gun control halts crime. It is very obvious from reading these points there is great doubt to that statements validility. In fact, it proves the exact opposite is true.

UDTFROG · Apr 18, 2005, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpy

Care to tell us were a safe place is to live? Canada is a lot safer than many other countries, that being parts of the U.K, the U.S.A, many eastern European countries, and the Middle East.

Sure Canada has it's fair share of troubles, but you have pluked out the worst, the stories that hit the media. If you wish to get into statistics, then do a checkup on the USA.

Your comments regarding bashing the USA might just be related to the fact the USA is next door and given their problems with behaviour and general day to day dramas they have a right to be concerned. I know I would.

Here we go more tribble from an ex patiriot!.. Still a Citizen of the US? back to my un answered question. Do you hold a US clearance?

bananaman · Apr 19, 2005, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EleazarCAST

You then say I plucked out the worst. Actually maybe your social healthcare system would be the worst. Putting doctors into poverty and making long waits just to get any surgery done. If your lucky you wont die before you get a heart transplant done.

Isn't it better to be able to have the operation even if you cant afford it and wait a little while longer than if you went private. I admit that queues are shorter in the US, but then it is easy to have short queues when you are only serving people that pay a large amount of moeny directly to you, rather than dealing with far more people on a National Health Basis

Quote:

Originally Posted by EleazarCAST

strict gun control halts crime. It is very obvious from reading these points there is great doubt to that statements validility. In fact, it proves the exact opposite is true.

I dont think any of these statments actually prove anything. It would be far too simplistic to just say that gun control would solve anything, what you seem to be missing is that there are other factors creating the problems, but you are not thinking what the situation would be like, for eg. in the UK, if the gun laws hadn't changed - would the situation be worse today? It is a hypothetical question but there is no point saying US has gone down, UK, Canada has gone up etc. as it is very relative within countries. The question you must ask yourself is that if guns were more controlled in the USA would the drop in firearm related crime have decreased faster or slower - it will take a bit of "guesstimation" but is worth asking as a rhetorical question (hard to answer though)

Also when measuring crime rates between countries it is almost useless as the statistics are gathered in different fashions which makes it very hard to directly judge between countries statistics.

nana

SIK_L_CELL · Apr 20, 2005, 05:08 PM

About the only thing I can see worth a damn in Canada, is that you can get two legal whores for the price of one.

Judas · Apr 20, 2005, 05:55 PM

frankly i can't say anything about the US.... seriously... i can't.... even if i had lived in one or 2 states.. i still couldn't say much about the US..... who could?

Same reason majority of the people in the States or anywere else for that matter can't say anything about canada..... even if they lived in one or 2 provinces..... which are most likely going to be BC or the eastern side of canada.... they simply don't count for a whole lot.

I've yet to have a hard time finding anyone that has had to wait to go into surgery other then some pretty MAJOR related surgery.. and i mean major....

I know plenty of people that haven't had to wait for heart related surgery at all... If it need to be done right now, they make room.. and it's DONE right now. The passay unnesary crap is always left last and those people have to wait.

Cold? wtf, sure it can get cold.. but it's any colder then some of the northern states in the US.... hell, we've some warmer weather then some of the states. Sometimes dryer, sometimes wetter.

Why are people so utterly convinced that as soon as you pass the border, it's instantly cold and freezing and snowing and just guad awful landscape with nothing but rock and rubble with canadians waiting in line (all of 3) at an outhouse?

Heres some specifics....

Canada is the worlds 2nd largest country.
Canada has a estimated population of 20-30 million people.
nearly 2/5ths of the population resides in 2 provinces, Ontario and Quebec.
Saskatchewan has a temperature that ranges about 80 degrees C over a span of a year (-40 to +40), and grab your own temp guage to actually compare the 2 different degrees if you are not aware of what the differences are between C and F.
We've on occcasion have been able to wear t-shirts and shorts on both Christmas and New Years due to being so warm.
Santa IS Canadian and so is Superman

Zelig · Apr 20, 2005, 07:32 PM

Judas: I'm pretty sure Canada's population is a bit over 30 million.

Yeah, it's not that cold everywhere here... I'm wearing shorts and t-shirts already, it's quite nice here.

On the subject of surgeries, one of my best friends had a kidney transplant at the IWK hospital in Halifax a few years ago. He didn't have to wait long at all (the isolation period after the transplant was longer than the wait). He has nothing but praise for the doctors and nurses there.

Judas · Apr 21, 2005, 03:12 AM

well considering that the massive jump in US imigrants lately... it's probably hit 35 million now...

actually..... did a quick google.. and guess what..... 30mil total population

btw, nurses or doctors are not going out of business..... they are simply asking for wages that are unreasonable..... causing a competitive wage hike request similare to that of some US doctors.... It simply unrealistic....

Ubergrendle · Apr 21, 2005, 10:29 PM

I'm Canadian and I'll offer a good criticism of our country: too much time wasted giving a shit about what the US thinks of us, not enough time focusing on our own faults. Unfair tax burden for Toronto/Ontario? Quebec still hasn't formally ratified the constitution? Maritime unemployment? Unified longterm healthcare strategy? Urban sprawl? We have enough shit to worry about, none of which is the US' fault.

I'll admit i think the US is straying far, far from its original intent re: separation of church and state, but frankly its their dime. We don't like Americans telling us how to run our country, it should be logical that they feel the same.

PS Re: crime/violence statsitics. Stats Canada is far more aggressive in tracking/recording incidents and defines things like 'assault' very broadly, US stats are based on convictions only. Makes direct comparison very difficult. I have 4 university credits in sociology and statistics and we covered this discussion ad nauseum.

Lowfat · Apr 29, 2005, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EleazarCAST

You said Canada is a safer place to live than the U.S.A. Explain to me how that is when you have a higher crime rate than us. Of course you made no mention of any reasons for your remarks.

I'd like to know where you get your facts.... The Violent crime rate is 10X lower in Canada, than the US.

Lowfat · Apr 29, 2005, 02:10 AM

read this....

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109300/

kinda funny.