Report Calls For Punishing Peacekeepers in Sex Abuse

Gabriel_Etranil

raid517

And no Americans didn't do this in Vietnam....

Anyway, we are talking about a few Nigerians here. Hardly among the elite of armed forces on this Earth. It is just because it has the name of the UN attached to it that it works to get some of you guys whipped up into a frenzy.

GJ

Gabriel_Etranil

The same can be said when the name of the US is attatched to anything, anti-US people get all giddy.

Are your racist against Nigerians?



I don't see anything about Nigerians here could you show me where you got your info.

raid517

Well try reading a little harder... I think you'll find I'm right. And no I'm not racist against Nigerians. I just don't rate their armed forces very highly. It is as much the fault of the West as it is of anyone. We couldn't be assed to deal with what many of our politicians viewed as a local African dispute (which is far too often the attitude when it comes to Africa - since there is little political or financial merrit in intervening there) so we asked the Nigerians to send their 'peacekeepers' - despite the fact that Nigeria is noted as having a pretty brutal history of repression and human rights abuses within their own country. And get this, it was a security council resolution (1304) that led to the Nigerians being asked to go there. And guess who is a still a major player in the UN security council? Yep, you've got it, the good old USA. And the US representatives voted for the resolution and later to allow Nigerian forces to go into the Congo - along with everyone else - despite knowing the history of that county's forces in that region.

So I'm afraid you can't quite wash your hands of responsibility that easily.

GJ

Gabriel_Etranil

Again I said show me. So Nigeria was the forces that raped women in Congo. So US "peacekeepers" raped people in Congo and other UN "Sex for food" country's. Show me your proof.


If this where you told me to "read a little harder" in the article. I said show me an article where Nigeria peacekeepers are accused of sexual abuse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Dec15.html
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/UnitedNat...=489306&page=1
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/c042759e-39...00e2511c8.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=42088
http://www.africaonline.com/business...itemNo=9017830

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...6/151901.shtml
The only one with a mention of Nigeria involved in the "sexual abuse" scandal and was in the counrty Sierra Leone. Show me an article where it says Nigerians where involved in the Congo sex abuse scandals.

raid517

Mmm... Well peace keepers are made up of a whole bunch of countries. But unless there is some vested interest in the region, the major powers rarely get involved. There was indeed some stink about the Nigerians and the UN about a year or so ago, with them being accused of rape and other sexual offenses so maybe we are talking about two sperate incidents. In any case it hardly matters, they were all pretty third rate as armed forces go anyway - which was the real point I was making. In other words they were hardly the most diciplined forces in the world. And we all still voted to send them there (including America) as I said is the case in most such incidences with Africa. We do the very minimum that is asked of us then act as though we are suprised when things don't work out so well. But rarely do we blame ourselves for making the wrong decisions.

The security council is still a cooperative body - and while America is a member of the UN and the security council and is prepared to vote in favour of resolutions to send peace keepers to various parts of the globe, then she shares an equal responsibility along with everyone else when things go wrong.

In my view it is in any case a mountain out of a mole hill scenario. You have a few ill trained troops in another country having sex with underage prostitutes.

Can you tell me of a war where that hasn't happend? It might not be nice, but it is hardly new.

GJ

Gabriel_Etranil

I'm glad we can agree on something.

raid517

Agreement is always good dude - even if I'm not too sure right now about exactly what it is that we agree about.

Maybe it's all of it really? I mean like I said, none of it is really surprising. Troops have behaved badly since the Romans and beyond - since the beginning of time indeed. It's terrible - but as the saying goes, war stinks.

And I doubt that it's going to change any time soon either.

GJ

UDTFROG

What How do you attribute a Multi national UN forces action with it being the US's fault???? UN is the US? I'm sorry but please try to explain this logically.

Gabriel_Etranil

It was an attack on his logic, I was stating an illogical conclusion (rooted from his statements) that it is in someway the US's fault for Nigeria being involved in all of this. (Even though they were never involved in the Congo Sex Abuse). And it's alway's the US's fault anytime something like this happends.

The main attack and twist:
<Sarcasm>And of course anything the USA is involved causes people to act poorly</Sarcasm>

This might have been the problem:

The_Neon_Cowboy

Rape and prosition, Sex with people from preteen children to adults,
low level to area officals are involved

Nothing has ever been done..... No one ever punished

OldBuzzard

Shucks Neon, you don't really expect anything TO be done about it do you?

After all, this is the UN that we are talking about. We all know that the UN is perfect in every way , and that the only evil political entity in the world is the USA.

Just ask any liberal euro-weenie, and they will confirm that my above statement is true

radTube

This is just crazy... The UN is not a country, nor a government among others. It's still an organization that facilitates discussion and co-operation between all the countries it consists of (including the USA, if they were still willing to play ball). This anti-UN shit just happened to suit the US political agenda at one point (Iraq war) and it seems quite a lot of the american people were happy to swallow the propaganda. BTW, why didn't we hear any of this before the war? Isn't it obvious?

But what do I know. I'm just another euro-weenie after all. Don't know about liberal though.

Vasot

Nicely said radtube

Falstaff

this debate is complete off center and missing the real issue..
It isnt anti US or anti Nigerian or anti UN...
it is about abuse, physical and mental, and the enslavement of children and grown women as sex slaves, there isnt a conquering nation left today that can say they have not been responsible for crimes like this. The media brings the ultimate horror to our doorsteps everyday and the post brings it to our tables.
Nigeria by the way is one of the most corrupt nations on the earth.

OldBuzzard

*sigh* Time to educate a couple of 'kids' that seem to think that if something didn't happen in their short existance, it never happened.

There has been an 'anti-UN' movement in the US since at least the 1950's.

THINKING people have known since then the the UN is in most respects a worthless organization. At best, it lets some of the 2nd and 3rd world countries 'feel better' about themselves, and lets them think that what they say about world events really matters.

About the only thing that the UN is really good for (and given it's current level of corruption, even this may be suspect) is co-ordinating disaster relief, and helping provide humanitarian aid of various types.

Gabriel_Etranil

The UN has become a means of "control" over the United States.

Why is the US the most levied state within the UN? I wonder

You need to read up on all things the UN has done as an "organization" before calling any critisism "propaganda". The "Sex Abuse" problem is only one of them. And some of the "problems" people have with the UN date as far back as 1940's, when the UN started.

Falstaff

The UN is f%@king corrupt.........I hope this does not come as a shock to anyone...

radTube

This view only gained real support when the US government realized that it didn't want to play by the rules anymore.

What a nice example of the propaganda. Thanks.

There are rules that apply to all UN members, including the US. But rules are of course a good thing only as long as they let you do what you want .

Of course there's place for criticism in every organization. The UN is far from perfect. My point was that the US was generally in favor of the UN (enough to be the driving force behind it's founding) until they saw that it might be a burden when they decided to wage war. Funny when you think that that's one of the things the UN is supposed to do; facilitate negotiation and keep world peace.

BTW, the "Sex Abuse" problem as you call it is hardly specific to the UN. Surely you don't think the UN endorses it in any way?

Unlike the US government, right? Most (large) organizations in the world are corrupt, due to the fact that they consist of human beings. I'm just tired of hearing this shit about the UN suddenly being the root of all evil.

And to answer the original question: Any sex offender, be it in war or peace, should be punished. Severely. There are no excuses.

GOG

If it's so worthless, why is your country still a member, you don't obey the votes there anyway. Are your politicians screwing the "thinking people" over by staying as a member in UN, or is the majority of your voters "non-thinking people" who wants to stay?

There is only one thing wrong with the UN, and that's the possibility for some countries to screw everything up with their veto.