War on terrorism or not

[)arkNova · Mar 9, 2005, 10:16 AM

America really believes there is a war on terrorism. I truely believe some countries think there is no terrorism. Some countries believe bin laden has a reason to do what he does. People are mislead if they think he does.He thinks America is evil,then comments evil acts upon the US. America has a right to go into other countries to kill the bad guys. That is if those countries won't do anything to get rid of them. Look at Syria,former Iraq(with Saddam) and Iran. The people there aren't doing enough to rid the terrorist there. America must defend herself and do it for them or use other means because the existance of America must be priority.We,the Americans will not sit still and watch our freedom fall. We will all die before our freedom falls. Watch out world and get used to it. If our existance is on the line and if you won't help,just get out of our way.We are here to survive and protect our freedom.

Danhill · Mar 9, 2005, 10:23 AM

Ok...................thats great then.....................

Callandor · Mar 9, 2005, 10:31 AM

War against terrorism???

More like war against my little brothers tennis shoes.

I agree with you man, that war is heading the world in a rearlly bad direction, if you ask me, it could even be the precurser to the "end of the world".

radTube · Mar 9, 2005, 12:40 PM

Saddam was hardly a terrorist, while he was definitely a bad guy. I have some trouble seeing how he was a threat to the freedom and survival of americans though. And forgive the rest of the civilized world if they think the existence of the world is more important than that of america. But anyway, this thread should clearly have been in the FWZ, as that kind of opening is just asking for a fight.

[)arkNova · Mar 9, 2005, 01:54 PM

ok,let me get this straight. Saddam wasn't a terrorist because he killed his own people with painful chemical weapons on purpose and put millions of muslims in mass graves? Maybe your definition of a terrorist is when you kill only a few people?

radTube · Mar 9, 2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

ok,let me get this straight. Saddam wasn't a terrorist because he killed his own people with painful chemical weapons on purpose and put millions of muslims in mass graves? Maybe your definition of a terrorist is when you kill only a few people?

No, I was just saying that terrorist isn't just another synonym for ruthless, evil killer. You should look the word up in a dictionary. Saddam is no more a terrorist than Bin Laden is a dictator. It's a war on terrorism as long as you only fight terrorism.

Ok, here's a couple of definitions of terrorism so you don't need to google it up:

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ter·ror·ism
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

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Noun

One who governs by terrorism or intimidation; originally applied to an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
Anyone who uses terror as a weapon in a political struggle, frequently in an attempt to coerce a more powerful opponent, such as a government.

Usage Note

The use of the label "terrorist" is often controversial, Point-of-View, since one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, and vice versa.

raid517 · Mar 9, 2005, 02:13 PM

Yeah but your rant was about 'protecting America.' Not about helping someone else sort out their problems. (Not that they are asking for your help mind you).

As was said, there doesn't seem to be much of a connection.

GJ

kelticknight · Mar 9, 2005, 02:22 PM

at it again arknova

[)arkNova · Mar 9, 2005, 02:23 PM

My rant ,as you call it, is about terrorism and America's role in it. What the heck are you trying to tell me what I'm trying to say?You did say "saddam was hardly a terrorist". Don't deny it. You said nothing about synonyms. By the way,you need to be a killer to be a terrorist,if you haven't discovered that first.

raid517 · Mar 9, 2005, 02:45 PM

Hmm... seems to me as though you are getting a little tongue tied now. Just exactly what was it you had taken when you gave that little speech of yours? From this end it sounded as though you imagined you were General Patton.

(Although I guess he would at least know the difference between a dictator and a terrorist).

Well anyway whatever. So what was the message? 'Watch out world, were gonna kick you balls'? 'You are either with us or against us'? Okaaay...

You keep on saying that and one day an awful lot of people might get sick of it and make a choice that you won't like very much. How about, 'you are either with us - or you are utterly and completely indifferent about what we do, so long as we don't get in your way'? Now that's a choice I could live with.

GJ

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 9, 2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by radTube

No, I was just saying that terrorist isn't just another synonym for ruthless, evil killer. You should look the word up in a dictionary. Saddam is no more a terrorist than Bin Laden is a dictator. It's a war on terrorism as long as you only fight terrorism.

Ok, here's a couple of definitions of terrorism so you don't need to google it up:

#1) One who governs by terrorism or intimidation
#2 )Anyone who uses terror as a weapon in a political struggle

#1 saddam
#2 saddam

Saddam has been called terriost by people like geroge bush and john kerry... Not only is he calssified as a terriost and a ruthless dictator. Terror bred and trained on his soil. He personally funded acts terror such a sucide bombings... etc..

raid517 · Mar 9, 2005, 02:56 PM

Pah... I'm not going to get into this whole Saddam thing again. It is a long way beyond old. But in the context of the opening statements of this thread, I think it's safe to say that Saddam was probably about as much threat to US interests as is my granny. And she has been dead for 15 years.

You may want to disagree on that. I'm sure you will. But unless anyone has anything new to add on this topic other than has been covered in a zillion similar threads here in the past, then what exactly is the point?

I'll leave it to someone else to point out to Neon that Saddam isn't in power any more.

GJ

[)arkNova · Mar 9, 2005, 03:50 PM

Back to subject since you can't defend saddam's Granny behavior then. America will kick your balls or make you give him up if you are harboring a punk like bin laden,zarcowy (mis spell),or a Saddam creature.

raid517 · Mar 9, 2005, 04:01 PM

You just sound drunk now. You know there is a place where the sun doesn't shine very often where you can put comments like that?

Just thought you might like to know.

GJ

radTube · Mar 9, 2005, 04:10 PM

Haha, why on earth did I bother posting on this thread as it was obviously just a bait to get a fight going. Definitely the wrong section of the forums for this one.

kelticknight · Mar 9, 2005, 04:18 PM

your very sad guy darknova,not worth the time on this one.you need to wake up,maybe never will.
so long

[)arkNova · Mar 9, 2005, 07:32 PM

Rad and Keltick if you don't want to debate,get off this thread. The purpose of political and religious debate is to speak of issues,no personal attacks. I didn't attack you,I only want mature people who want to speak of terrorism and America. Please stick with that. Thank you.

kelticknight · Mar 9, 2005, 08:23 PM

darknova,there no point as you don't listen to others point of view
2/there more to the world than america
3/twhen you go on about america has right to go into other countries,then your in dangerous area,l know ,my country has a history of it
no country has right.only .L MEAN ONLY IF ALL IN NATO AND UN AGREE.IF you think this way then that country is no better than invaders of past wars
this a big world.more than you can see from this forum,lot more at stake when when countrys make ther discisions that might always go america way.l didn't like it when russia invaded others,same applys to usa.if you take it into your own hands with out other agreeing in partnership ,expect what the rest of the world says
it seem to be same as last thread.nothing has changed.by looks of it won't
l was in service and l saw things that changed my life for ever.my wife went through alot,like others did that saw thing that would make more than sick.when people talk like this.l relise how much they don't have aclue.l lost 20 matesin last one america started.l miss these guys,specily sinse st pats wh would meet
enought of this
bottom line for me l don't agree with you for resions l have said
won't get into debate simply it won't go nowhere
and most of all its old news with twist

raid517 · Mar 9, 2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by [)arkNova

Rad and Keltick if you don't want to debate,get off this thread. The purpose of political and religious debate is to speak of issues,no personal attacks. I didn't attack you,I only want mature people who want to speak of terrorism and America. Please stick with that. Thank you.

I thought the purpose of this thread was so you could tell us all how America was going to kick everyone's balls if they didn't play along and do what you/your government wanted?

I think there is only one answer to that - and you have pretty much aready gotten it. What do you expect people to do? Roll over in a quivering heap and worship America as the mighty ruler of the world? It's little suprise with an attitude like that if people just feel inclined to tell you to go away somewhere and have violent and extended sex with yourself.

Sheesh, this section has really gone down hill in recent months.

Has anyone got anything serious to say about politics that isn't just more of this deliberate flamebait?

GJ

[)arkNova · Mar 9, 2005, 09:55 PM

Ok,a little better. we are debating now. But hold on to your seat because I like aggressive debates. As far as "kicking everyone's balls",no just the people who harbor punk terrorist. Is your country one of them rad,it seems you are defensive? As far as worshiping America,no just help us defend freedom.And don't give me " it depends what you mean what freedom is" crap.You know what it means. Keltick,as for you are concerned,I'm responding to your comments.Right? That means I'm listening.And I agree with you that there is more to the world than just America. But, America is a super power and we get a lot of say in this world. A little more than the next strongest influence.All I'm trying to say is,when America feels threatened by an outside force then we must take action. That may require force or other means of talks. It is our duty to protect ourselves.If someone tries to kill me and I know it. I will attack first. No questions.No hesitation. It may cost my life. Policemen do the same.

raid517 · Mar 9, 2005, 10:12 PM

This isn't debate. It's utter tosh.

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As far as "kicking everyone's balls",no just the people who harbor punk terrorist. Is your country one of them rad,it seems you are defensive? As far as worshiping America,no just help us defend freedom.

Maybe. We just set a whole bunch of people free that your government had deemed dangerous, because our courts refused to allow our government to detain people without trail. So maybe we are, by your definition, 'harbouring terrorists.' In fact we probably have more potential terrorists on the loose here now than the combined number of Al Quada militia that Saddam ever had in Iraq.

So what are you going to do about it? Not a lot is my guess. In fact I'm already getting a tad bored and impatient anticipating the day when America is going to invade the UK. Could you give me a rough estimate of when exactly that is going to happen?

GJ

[)arkNova · Mar 10, 2005, 08:12 AM

I know you didn't mean that.The US may not agree on a lot of things with the UK,but they still are our allies.Buddies,pals,but do talk a lot of smack. A report came out yesterday on the news,our CIA,after months of investigations has determined that after Pres Bush's aggressive war on terror inside our borders,no evidence of sleeper cells or chatter of them exist. That don't mean our CIA didn't miss something,but it is something(intensive investigations and searches) our CIA is doing now that wasn't happening before 9/11. Makes me feel proud of my president that he is using all the resources to kill the terrorist.Can you say the same of your country? If not,you may have bin laden's buddy next door to you planning your citiy's destruction. You might want to talk to your local polical representitive and tell he better help in your congress. The US can't help you there,inside your border. Not that we can or want to. You'll learn on your own.

kelticknight · Mar 10, 2005, 08:17 AM

darknova.if you where outside america,and america decided to invaded another country with out full consent of nato and un.these where setup after last world war not to have a repeat.how would you feel
if someone kills your friend,girlfriend,wife,is it right to hunt them down and kill them,or is it the police duty to do it and bring them to justice.as you are a american you won't see what lm saying because you think that america has a right to go where it wants and do what it wants.no one has.not america ,not any country,unless ther is united consent by all un and nato parties,last time america didn't get full consent and still did it anyway.sorry that wrong
no one saked america to to be leader,only it did for it own interests and not the worlds,if it did it would have listened the last time.in a short time there will be another super power as you call it and if they do same as usa did ,the world will condem ,them too.doesn't look like usa learnted for last world-war

[)arkNova · Mar 10, 2005, 08:23 AM

Only one thing kel,no permission slip needed to protect ourselves. There is so much antiAmerican and antijewish courties out there,we will never get a permission slip.They try to kill me, I will get them first. What's wrong with that?

Danhill · Mar 10, 2005, 08:31 AM

Darknova, did your mother drop you alot with the head first when you where a child???

kelticknight · Mar 10, 2005, 08:34 AM

l didn't say about protecting your self ,l said if someone kills your friend,girlfriend or who ever.do you or they have the right to hunt and kill them and not let the law enforce the law.the difference,the law only works if you work with it and then it helps to protect our family and others.your answer tells me everything l want to know,