I wish my parents were like this

kinetic · Nov 25, 2002, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Ryoko
it couldn't be because we still have guns, could it?

No it's probably because you peaked too early!

JavaFox · Nov 25, 2002, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Ryoko
it couldn't be because we still have guns, could it?

Well, yeah, it could be, but the 90s weren't really defined by its lax gun laws. Furthermore, some European nations do have citizens that love their guns as much as we do -- examples would be the Finns and the Swiss.

Louie6666 · Nov 25, 2002, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Highwood
Jav using your stats indicate truck drivers that don’t smoke pot are 7 times more likely to kill some one than truck drivers that do smoke pot.

When you say 45% of reckless drivers tested positive for marijuana use, and 182 fatal truck accidents revealed that 12.5 percent of the drivers had used marijuana, does that mean they were stoned at the time of the accident or were they in a room where some one else smoked a joint 2 months before the accident, either scenario would account for the positive drug test.

Funny that in UK Motoring Program called Top Gear actually did testing on drivers under influence of dope! And they findings were that pot smokers actually concentrated more on there driving & were less easily distracted, than the none smokers..weird hey!

Tell you one thing I'd rather run in to a bunch of stoners, than a bunch of drunks or Crackheads...you should see the crackheads round where I live...they would rip there grandmother off for a rock (some probably have)

The place I live in is an equivalent of one of what you would call a ghetto area in USA! I have dealers outside of my house 24/7, which the police seem to ignore unless they have to make up on crime figures..I have to endure being stereotyped because I'm white & I'm here I must be after drugs...much like the black people here are stereotyped as dealers! Each year we have riot police out on Nov 5...quite spectacular watching police getting attacked with industrial fireworks!

This would not be a problem IF ALL DRUGS WERE DECRIMILISED..as the drug addicts would not meet dealers who offer harder drugs. People might actually be able to kick there drug habits with control of the drugs as well as support, they might also be able to find a job if they didn't have a criminal record which labels them as criminals, rather than people who need help! Hell the heroin users might actually stop passing each other HIV if everthing was more open & they went to needle exchanges on offer!

Louie6666 · Nov 25, 2002, 10:03 PM

There isn't any evidence of the negative effects of marijuana use that show it being anymore dangerous for you than smoking cigarettes. I've still to see any evidence to the contrary.

There is I heard a report from Morroco of blokey dying from cannabis!

He was loading up some dope & the stack fell on him, crushed to death instantly!
Now if that isn't a reason to ban it worldwide & send out death squads to track down all users I don't know what is

lol

reno · Nov 25, 2002, 10:21 PM

Hmm, just because I don't purposefully mask my contempt for your ultra-conservative, degrading opinions as you do mine doesn't mean I'm the only one doing a disservice to something...

Being a patriot, I can not see how restricting the use of marijuana will in any way help us absolve the nation's crime problem. You're right, we aren't Europe, we're conceited, fat, spoiled, and scared of progression. The Republican party, and conservative "Democrats" have promoted the stagnation of our country...they decrease taxes for the rich to make the rich even richer, and cut out programs for the poor because of the lack of tax funds... they provide tax breaks and legal breaks to their "lobbyists" who represent no one but a few rich business owners...and they restrict our freedoms (homeland security act, patriot act) so that they can increase their control over us...through fear.

It is because of this, that hearing your degrading comments toward normal Americans and Europeans enrages me to the point of not caring anymore who's feelings I hurt. I'm just GLAD that one good apple out of this entire forum has been raised, and that's YOU. I'll just go back to being a tree hugging, mislead, and naive liberal, back to my role as a non-important pothead....where I can fufill my American dream of fattening your pocketbooks and giving up my personal freedoms so that the few deviants in our country won't kill anyone!

I love Amerika. And I'm done with this thread.

JavaFox · Nov 25, 2002, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Louie6666
This would not be a problem IF ALL DRUGS WERE DECRIMILISED..as the drug addicts would not meet dealers who offer harder drugs. People might actually be able to kick there drug habits with control of the drugs as well as support, they might also be able to find a job if they didn't have a criminal record which labels them as criminals, rather than people who need help! Hell the heroin users might actually stop passing each other HIV if everthing was more open & they went to needle exchanges on offer!

This the most touchy-feely fallacious comment in this thread! I have said it before, and I will say it again -- people commit crimes because they're on drugs, not because they want drugs. Six times as many murders are committed by people under the influence of drugs as by those who want to buy drugs.

For your argument about dealers to be true, Louie, we would have to not decrimalize but absolutely deregulate drugs. Any law that put any kind of restriction on drug use would have to be repealed. For example, if we legalized marijuana for people over 18, there would be illegal drug distribution infrastructure (e.g., cartels, dealers, etc.) to distribute drugs among the young. If we levied taxes against drugs, there would be a black market to sell untaxed drugs. If we restricted the amount of drugs people could possess (e.g., five grams in Holland), then there would be dealers to sell to people that want MORE than that amount. In other words, so long as any restriction on drug use existed, there would be an illegal network of distributors. And you honestly want ZERO limitations on drug use? That would lead to an unacceptably high number of addicted Americans.

And you're for that?

Louie6666 · Nov 26, 2002, 01:30 AM

For your argument about dealers to be true, Louie, we would have to not decrimalize but absolutely deregulate drugs. Any law that put any kind of restriction on drug use would have to be repealed. For example, if we legalized marijuana for people over 18, there would be illegal drug distribution infrastructure (e.g., cartels, dealers, etc.) to distribute drugs among the young. If we levied taxes against drugs, there would be a black market to sell untaxed drugs. If we restricted the amount of drugs people could possess (e.g., five grams in Holland), then there would be dealers to sell to people that want MORE than that amount. In other words, so long as any restriction on drug use existed, there would be an illegal network of distributors. And you honestly want ZERO limitations on drug use? That would lead to an unacceptably high number of addicted Americans.

And you're for that? [/b][/quote]

I would like to see the distrubution of drugs taken off the streets, out of the dealers hands & regulated...If the young people aren't in contact with the dealers in the first place & its no longer the forbidden fruit...they are not going to be to intrested..

I don't think holland is a good example!(no drugs are legal just tolerated) Have you visited morroco! do you see or hear of drug addicts carrying on like they do in our countries.. no because its no big deal to them, there youth aren't really intrested!

In the USA you may have problems with people commiting crimes whilst under the influence but in Uk its Heroin & crack addicts(& alcholics) that are robbing to feed there habits! cocaine curently retails in UK @£50 a gram, 1 rock of crack cocaine good for a 15-30min hit £10,(not sure about heroin) these people are physically dependant on crack & heroin, they need help, not inprisonment & a criminal record

Having experimented & been a heavy user of various drugs (and now paying price for it healthwise) I can put my hand on my heart & say if i had not come in to contact with dealers I wouldn't have bothered moving on from POT! (came into contact with Pot thru my parents, who didn't find out I was smoking untill I was nearly 20...They had always discouraged me from using drugs...I used to raid there stash lol)

Now for my sins I'm helping a friend over her cocaine addiction, her habit at one point, was costing her £700 a week plus! How did she pay for it, by selling drugs to her friends...

Its a vicous circle & prohibition dosen't work face it, it hasn't for the last 80 years and won't in the future...funny really the victorians loved there opuim tea & Coca Cola, as soon as things were prohibited, they grew into the problem you see around you today!

Hey I could go on for ages about this! But I've got to get some sleep, I hope I've given you something to think about & I may add to this later

Ok quick add on Java I notice that you comment on people convicted or arrested under the influence...do you know pot stays in your blood stream for over a month, where as just about all the other recreational drugs take less than a week to come out of your bloodstream...thats why your figures for pot abuse look massive compared to rest

Louie6666 · Nov 26, 2002, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by reno
Hmm, just because I don't purposefully mask my contempt for your ultra-conservative, degrading opinions as you do mine doesn't mean I'm the only one doing a disservice to something...

Being a patriot, I can not see how restricting the use of marijuana will in any way help us absolve the nation's crime problem. You're right, we aren't Europe, we're conceited, fat, spoiled, and scared of progression. The Republican party, and conservative "Democrats" have promoted the stagnation of our country...they decrease taxes for the rich to make the rich even richer, and cut out programs for the poor because of the lack of tax funds... they provide tax breaks and legal breaks to their "lobbyists" who represent no one but a few rich business owners...and they restrict our freedoms (homeland security act, patriot act) so that they can increase their control over us...through fear.

It is because of this, that hearing your degrading comments toward normal Americans and Europeans enrages me to the point of not caring anymore who's feelings I hurt. I'm just GLAD that one good apple out of this entire forum has been raised, and that's YOU. I'll just go back to being a tree hugging, mislead, and naive liberal, back to my role as a non-important pothead....where I can fufill my American dream of fattening your pocketbooks and giving up my personal freedoms so that the few deviants in our country won't kill anyone!

I love Amerika. And I'm done with this thread.

who you replying to ?

-={420}=- · Nov 27, 2002, 10:46 PM

About cigatettes:
One thing that I know is that tobacco itself does not contain nicotine. Nicotine is actually a very powerful insecticide. They once did not spray it on tobacco and then they tried it and suddenly their sales went up. So, now they purposely spray it with nicotine so that more and more people are addicted.

About driving and weed:
I know from my own experience that I can drive--and drive well--when I am stoned. I drove 800 miles to Oklahoma going 120 M.P.H. the entire time (no B.S.) because that's as fast as my mom's Jetta GLS could go when I pressed the pedal all the way down. Now, remember, I had no license, just a permit and the ENTIRE time I was driving 120 M.P.H. and I don't know how I managed not to get pulled over. The whole time I was driving I smoked nothing but big fat thick huge blunts of dro. I gotta admit that I didn't read all ur posts ever since page six just kinda skimmed thru them cuz i really dont feel like arguing anymore. What's the point? I could see if the people I was trying to convince actually had the power to make marijuana legal, but theyre not so theres no point in arguing. Of course, thats kinda what this thread is for so i wont try to stop u and I do wanna still be a part of it.

sorry for being so ignorant but u must understand i have a lot of things to do right now. So, when i have time i will go back and read all ur posts from page 6 to this page.

I have never been more tired than I am right now. I hope that all u people see how really pointless it is to argue about legalizing marijuana because it's not up to u to decide anyways. For those that feel smoking is good--keep smoking! as for those who don't, why argue with a stoner, let them do their thing cuz no matter what u say it wont change their mind, trust me

Vampyromaniac · Nov 27, 2002, 11:16 PM

Bahahahhaha !!!
The gateway drug strikes again !!!!

Lol

Louie6666 · Nov 28, 2002, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by -={420}=-
I feel so disconnected from the world right now after being in the hospital that I don't know what to do first. I'm being overwhelmed. I don't wanna buy new smoking accessories cuz they've been taken one too many times and I don't really feel like smoking weed anymore. I would if I didn't have to live with my parents (I would grow my own plants). Don't get me wrong, I don't really wanna do other drugs because I've tried marijuana and I'm tired of it. No, nothing like that. Just that at the mental hospital there were people who did ecstasy and they told me how awesome it was and I kinda thought of trying it or maybe shrooms. I don't think I will but I have all this money now and I don't know what to do with it. My life is so [EDIT: language] up right now. I might just get over it but I might just eat some shrooms. I guess we'll see.

Oh, I see I've reached my 100th post. Normally I would be really happy about that but somehow I feel indifferent.

Hey word of advise M8, Leave taking the ecstasy till your feeling a lot better in yourself, its not worth it! If you take proper MDMA you will feel really good maybe for upto 12hours..but comedown is real bitch...can take a long time for Serotonin to reach the levels it was before you took it...you think your feeling low right now!

....Are you taking medication, as my friend(different one not the one coming off cocaine) has just come off a phsychatric ward & his medication keeps him at same level all the time not really happy, not really sad, just indifferent. Its not good to take hallucinogenics with these medicines!

If you need to chat in private PM me

Vampyromaniac · Nov 28, 2002, 06:52 AM

dude ecstasy is seriously a bad idea

Highwood · Nov 28, 2002, 08:06 PM

420 I know I have advocated the legalization of marijuana and condone the use of it for recreational purposes. But, using any mind altering substances to deal with problems, only compounds those problems. I would strongly recommend abstaining from all drugs, including pot, not prescribed to you by the people taking care of you until you have your shit together.

-={420}=- · Nov 28, 2002, 09:53 PM

Oh, I don't really have any problems. The only reason I wanna do shrooms is cuz I really wanted to do 'em anyways and just never got a hold of 'em. I'll wait til I got my own place, then I can grow my own pot & shrooms. Right now I just wanna trip on sumthin.

Louie6666 · Nov 29, 2002, 08:12 AM

shroom's can also Leave you in a unhappy mess, They are a lot more intense than taking acid, just over shorter time period...also dosage of mushrooms is difficult to gauge potency...I have had trips where I have taken over 200 mushrooms, which was intense, what disturbed me more, was next time I took them did only 10! & ended up tripping out far more...

M8 plz leave em alone till you are happy & your life is more together again...friend I mention earlier took shrooms over summer solstace...& they highlighted problems, he started to become very withdrawn & paranoid, he cannot visit me, because he lived with me on this street, he became very scared of what other ppl felt about him down here! (they have no problems with him) its in his mind

he is looking a lot better now, but he won't chance it. he asked another friend to pass him a joint yesterday, she said no (he really misses smoking) & that if he wanted to have a smoke wait for christmas then we get him stoned, he then thanked us, as he really knows its not a good idea with the medication & his current state of mind.

-={420}=- · Nov 29, 2002, 07:14 PM

Well, thanx for the advice but I'm not depressed or anything. I still wanna do them just for fun.

BWX · Jan 6, 2003, 11:42 AM

Do shrooms all you want- Never touch acid, it's just playing Russian rullet with your brain.