Bush blamed for the hurricanes in Florida now

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 28, 2004, 12:46 PM

Bush blamed for the hurricanes in Florida now and global warming

will it ever stop how

raid517 · Oct 28, 2004, 03:05 PM

I am almost tempted to ask what the hell you are talking about - but I suddenly realised I really don't care.

GJ

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 28, 2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by raid517

I am almost tempted to ask what the hell you are talking about - but I suddenly realised I really don't care.

GJ

there are people (kerry supporters) now people calming bush some how is responceable for the 3 hurricanes that hit florda this year

that it has to do with global warming under bushes watch, his evnromental policies etc ... and that it's all bushes fault ....

it's totall bull but thats what thier saying....

ronnn · Oct 28, 2004, 05:24 PM

I agree with Neon, if the environment, enconomy and relations with the rest of the world are failing. None of this is the doing of Bush. George Bush has just had the misfortune of being president when unfortunate things have happened. The real question is what has he done in response to these events?

Dom · Oct 28, 2004, 05:29 PM

Where do you hear these things from, Neon?

raid517 · Oct 28, 2004, 05:40 PM

I think he hears them most often after eating a large amout of beans....

GJ

pr0digal jenius · Oct 28, 2004, 07:29 PM

neon....do you have any idea how global warming works('The Day After Tomorrow' doesnt count..that was a crock)

Bush may nto be soleyl responsible for them, btu he did MORE then hsi fair share. It was after all, his father who said, when asked about loggin int eh national forests "if you've seen one tree, you've seen 'em all". It is also Bush who tried to get them to drill in the national wildlife refuge in alaska, and I believe it's him too who refused to put a gas guzzler tax on large trucks and SUVs nationwide.

So to you and yer quit debunking of scientific fact...i say balderdash!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 28, 2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom

Where do you hear these things from, Neon?

for the 102nd time CNN / Fox news, channel 31/53 repectively here
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...icanes&spell=1

just run a simple search

Quote:

Originally Posted by raid517

I think he hears them most often after eating a large amout of beans....

GJ

how out of contact with the "real" world, day to day, that some people are

raid517 · Oct 28, 2004, 08:39 PM

The story emerged from some dumb American Republican comic book

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/sept...rricanes.shtml

trying to take the piss out of another site for making some fairly reasonable points, such as Bush's poor record on the environment, his instance on allowing larger amounts of polutants to be emitted into the atmosphere and his withdrawal from almost every major enviromental agreement entered into in the last 12 or so years.

At no time did anyone in that article accuse Bush of being directly responsible for the Florida Hurricans, they only repeat that scientists believe that global warming may one day lead to more extreme weather in various parts of the world.

Of course it takes someone like neon to read this and automatically take it seriously.

GJ

pr0digal jenius · Oct 28, 2004, 08:42 PM

good work raid

Nacht · Oct 28, 2004, 09:02 PM

I hate tree huggers.

We need to drill in alaska so we are no longer dependent on these arab peoples that just want to shaft us. precautions are taken so that wildlife is not disturbed...in fact, more wildlife moves in because of the pipelines (the already existant one is an example). we might as well use this resource now, because soon we'll have alternate energy sources and petroleum will be the fuel of yesterday, only used in older power plants and for camping laterns

what would the midle east do if the world stopped using oil?

pr0digal jenius · Oct 28, 2004, 09:07 PM

i'm hardly a tree hugger...but i do thinkt he environment is important enough to think about. I don't recycle everythign i use or drive a hybrid car or anything...but i do think we need to learn to drive more eonomical cars then the current fad of corvettes and lincoln navigators, and i also think wildlife refuges are a great thign and the oil needs to be thought of as a secondary rescource to the wildlife there and our priorities need to go alogn with that.

raid517 · Oct 28, 2004, 10:41 PM

Well I'm not much of a tree hugger either - everything green I touch usually dies anyway - but I do think that we have to take note of the potential disaster that enviromental polution casuses. Do you really want to live in a world without environmental restraints, where manufacturers can pump the air full of toxic cancer causing gasses, where they can polute the rivers and drinking supplies, where they can feed live stock full of bulk building steriods and other drugs, which then can be fed to pregnant women resulting in potentially horrific birth deformities, or premature miscarriges? What would a world free of environmental controls look like? If it was left to industry alone it would certainly seem that it would quickly become a pretty barren, noxious and extremely unpleasnt place to live in. Is that really the kind of environment you want to bring your kids up in?

Global warming is another issue - I think it's hard to tell what will happen 100 or 200 years down the line. But all the same we do only have one planet to live in - and the human population has already reached explosive levels. It would be nonsensical to say that it is impossible that our presence here could possibly have an impact on our environment - because all we need to do is to take a look around us to see that it already has. Whether human influenced global warming it is real or not, large scale climate change is a reality that we know has occured many times in the Earth's past . Unfortunately this has also always been followed by a period of mass extinction too - so if it does happen we may end up being pretty much screwed. However what scientists are saying is that it is possible that we could affect this process in an adverse and irreverable way - and that really it is just as stupid to take the risk and kick over the whole barrel of apples now - without having any kind of care for what might happen in the future. You think nothing of looking after your home. Surely it makes just as much sense to look after the world in which we live too?

It seems to me that often a lot of Republicans don't seem to care about the future. They only seem to care about the here and now and what they can get for themselves.

I have never quite understood this. What use is your monster SUV if you eventually have to wear a gas mask and several layers of sun block to go outside to drive it?

No matter how selfish you are, if you do want to enjoy these things for the long term - caring about the environment makes just as much sense for you as it does for anyone else.

GJ

pr0digal jenius · Oct 28, 2004, 11:18 PM

couldn't have said it better raid...
...and as for you're killign of plants at the mere utterance of your name....that happens to me too..lol. me and potted plants go together like fire and water.

raid517 · Oct 29, 2004, 07:30 AM

Lol... If I hugged a tree it would almost certainly spell certain death for the tree....

GJ

TJ- · Oct 29, 2004, 08:11 AM

im a tree hugger a marijuana tree..... hahaha

Mickie M · Oct 31, 2004, 01:15 AM

bush my be evil but its impossible for him to do so much economical damage in 4 years but he is certainly damaging it to the extend where in the future if his carelessness does continue it will be a hell of alot worse then 3 hurricanes.

CrapolaJola · Oct 31, 2004, 03:43 AM

Neon you do realize the people who say thigns like that are the few select idiots that happen 2 support kerry, sooo who cares. As for the drilling for oil in Alaska mentioned, why don't we just switch to god damned alternatives things like, *GASP* electricity for fuel on cars. We're running out of oil and the enviroment is important to.

Esaz666 · Nov 10, 2004, 09:54 AM

yeah , i think its all bushes fault.
Lol.
its getting silly now ,he's getting the blame for everything,he didnt cause global warming!!.
just everything else.

**dj_stick** · Nov 10, 2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CrapolaJola

Neon you do realize the people who say thigns like that are the few select idiots that happen 2 support kerry, sooo who cares. As for the drilling for oil in Alaska mentioned, why don't we just switch to god damned alternatives things like, *GASP* electricity for fuel on cars. We're running out of oil and the enviroment is important to.

the oil companies will suppress/buy out/lobby in parliament (or congress whatever) to stop such a thing happening. It will hurt their profit.

Dexsal · Nov 10, 2004, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Bush blamed for the hurricanes in Florida now and global warming

will it ever stop how

have'nt hurricanes in Florida all ways been there?

solar_flare · Nov 16, 2004, 09:27 AM

i hate bush. but how can we blame a human for something caused by mother nature.
i mean really.and even if he is environmntally unaware, we cant blame only one person on global warming. we have to blame the people who caused this to happen in the first place and the people still contibuting to the rise in the atmosperic temperature.we cannot always rely on our leaders all the time. leaders may intiate such rpogrammes to change things but we the ordinary people are the ones who actually do it.

solar_flare · Nov 16, 2004, 09:31 AM

i was thinking the same thing dexsal

Oct 28, 2004, 12:46 PM	#1
The_Neon_Cowboy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,135 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Bush blamed for the hurricanes in Florida now and global warming Bush blamed for the hurricanes in Florida now and global warming will it ever stop how __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Oct 28, 2004 at 02:30 PM.

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raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	The story emerged from some dumb American Republican comic book http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/sept...rricanes.shtml trying to take the piss out of another site for making some fairly reasonable points, such as Bush's poor record on the environment, his instance on allowing larger amounts of polutants to be emitted into the atmosphere and his withdrawal from almost every major enviromental agreement entered into in the last 12 or so years. At no time did anyone in that article accuse Bush of being directly responsible for the Florida Hurricans, they only repeat that scientists believe that global warming may one day lead to more extreme weather in various parts of the world. Of course it takes someone like neon to read this and automatically take it seriously. GJ Last edited by raid517; Oct 28, 2004 at 08:51 PM.

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Mickie M DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 21 Rep Power: 0	bush my be evil but its impossible for him to do so much economical damage in 4 years but he is certainly damaging it to the extend where in the future if his carelessness does continue it will be a hell of alot worse then 3 hurricanes. __________________

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CrapolaJola The Great DaK Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 314 Rep Power: 0	Neon you do realize the people who say thigns like that are the few select idiots that happen 2 support kerry, sooo who cares. As for the drilling for oil in Alaska mentioned, why don't we just switch to god damned alternatives things like, GASP electricity for fuel on cars. We're running out of oil and the enviroment is important to. __________________ Sold A64 3000+ and VNF3-250, using my old AXP 2500+ and 8RDA now. Ordering a MSI K8N Neo2 and a 3200 winnie soon , then tccd ram, then a new vid card. ~ 2x256 Corsair XMS PC3200LL ~ Softmodded/OCed Sapphire 9500NP (378/294 max 275/275 stock) ~ Audigy 2 ZS with Creative 6600s 6.1 speakers ~ 19" ViewSonic A90f+ ~

Oct 28, 2004, 03:05 PM	#2
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	I am almost tempted to ask what the hell you are talking about - but I suddenly realised I really don't care. GJ

Oct 28, 2004, 05:24 PM	#4
ronnn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 622 Rep Power: 0	I agree with Neon, if the environment, enconomy and relations with the rest of the world are failing. None of this is the doing of Bush. George Bush has just had the misfortune of being president when unfortunate things have happened. The real question is what has he done in response to these events?

Oct 28, 2004, 05:29 PM	#5
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,942 Rep Power: 0	Where do you hear these things from, Neon?

Oct 28, 2004, 05:40 PM	#6
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	I think he hears them most often after eating a large amout of beans.... GJ

Oct 28, 2004, 07:29 PM	#7
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	neon....do you have any idea how global warming works('The Day After Tomorrow' doesnt count..that was a crock) Bush may nto be soleyl responsible for them, btu he did MORE then hsi fair share. It was after all, his father who said, when asked about loggin int eh national forests "if you've seen one tree, you've seen 'em all". It is also Bush who tried to get them to drill in the national wildlife refuge in alaska, and I believe it's him too who refused to put a gas guzzler tax on large trucks and SUVs nationwide. So to you and yer quit debunking of scientific fact...i say balderdash!

Oct 28, 2004, 08:42 PM	#10
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	good work raid

Oct 28, 2004, 09:02 PM	#11
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	I hate tree huggers. We need to drill in alaska so we are no longer dependent on these arab peoples that just want to shaft us. precautions are taken so that wildlife is not disturbed...in fact, more wildlife moves in because of the pipelines (the already existant one is an example). we might as well use this resource now, because soon we'll have alternate energy sources and petroleum will be the fuel of yesterday, only used in older power plants and for camping laterns what would the midle east do if the world stopped using oil?

Oct 28, 2004, 09:07 PM	#12
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	i'm hardly a tree hugger...but i do thinkt he environment is important enough to think about. I don't recycle everythign i use or drive a hybrid car or anything...but i do think we need to learn to drive more eonomical cars then the current fad of corvettes and lincoln navigators, and i also think wildlife refuges are a great thign and the oil needs to be thought of as a secondary rescource to the wildlife there and our priorities need to go alogn with that.

Oct 28, 2004, 10:41 PM	#13
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well I'm not much of a tree hugger either - everything green I touch usually dies anyway - but I do think that we have to take note of the potential disaster that enviromental polution casuses. Do you really want to live in a world without environmental restraints, where manufacturers can pump the air full of toxic cancer causing gasses, where they can polute the rivers and drinking supplies, where they can feed live stock full of bulk building steriods and other drugs, which then can be fed to pregnant women resulting in potentially horrific birth deformities, or premature miscarriges? What would a world free of environmental controls look like? If it was left to industry alone it would certainly seem that it would quickly become a pretty barren, noxious and extremely unpleasnt place to live in. Is that really the kind of environment you want to bring your kids up in? Global warming is another issue - I think it's hard to tell what will happen 100 or 200 years down the line. But all the same we do only have one planet to live in - and the human population has already reached explosive levels. It would be nonsensical to say that it is impossible that our presence here could possibly have an impact on our environment - because all we need to do is to take a look around us to see that it already has. Whether human influenced global warming it is real or not, large scale climate change is a reality that we know has occured many times in the Earth's past . Unfortunately this has also always been followed by a period of mass extinction too - so if it does happen we may end up being pretty much screwed. However what scientists are saying is that it is possible that we could affect this process in an adverse and irreverable way - and that really it is just as stupid to take the risk and kick over the whole barrel of apples now - without having any kind of care for what might happen in the future. You think nothing of looking after your home. Surely it makes just as much sense to look after the world in which we live too? It seems to me that often a lot of Republicans don't seem to care about the future. They only seem to care about the here and now and what they can get for themselves. I have never quite understood this. What use is your monster SUV if you eventually have to wear a gas mask and several layers of sun block to go outside to drive it? No matter how selfish you are, if you do want to enjoy these things for the long term - caring about the environment makes just as much sense for you as it does for anyone else. GJ

Oct 28, 2004, 11:18 PM	#14
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	couldn't have said it better raid... ...and as for you're killign of plants at the mere utterance of your name....that happens to me too..lol. me and potted plants go together like fire and water.

Oct 29, 2004, 07:30 AM	#15
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Lol... If I hugged a tree it would almost certainly spell certain death for the tree.... GJ

Oct 29, 2004, 08:11 AM	#16
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,682 Rep Power: 0	im a tree hugger a marijuana tree..... hahaha

Nov 10, 2004, 09:54 AM	#19
Esaz666 BeardHeaven Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Uk,Earth,Universe,3rd dimention Posts: 292 Rep Power: 41	yeah , i think its all bushes fault. Lol. its getting silly now ,he's getting the blame for everything,he didnt cause global warming!!. just everything else.

Nov 16, 2004, 09:27 AM	#22
solar_flare DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88 Rep Power: 0	i hate bush. but how can we blame a human for something caused by mother nature. i mean really.and even if he is environmntally unaware, we cant blame only one person on global warming. we have to blame the people who caused this to happen in the first place and the people still contibuting to the rise in the atmosperic temperature.we cannot always rely on our leaders all the time. leaders may intiate such rpogrammes to change things but we the ordinary people are the ones who actually do it.

Nov 16, 2004, 09:31 AM	#23
solar_flare DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88 Rep Power: 0	i was thinking the same thing dexsal