The Debate

lenchmob · Oct 3, 2004, 03:50 PM

What did Kerry pull out of his pocket at the debate?

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/20...ver-cheat.html

Dom · Oct 3, 2004, 04:20 PM

Dunno, maybe scrap paper. Neither candidate signed the "Memorandum of Understanding" though. Is there any footage of Bush stepping to the podium?

raid517 · Oct 3, 2004, 04:21 PM

Yeah, maybe glasses for reading. I'm sure they aren't covered. Anyway Kerry may be many things, but I doubt he's a magician. If he had been writing notes it would have been pretty visible.

Seems a tad trivial to me. Is such a memorandum even real?

Maybe bush could have used a pen himself - though he might have needed an aid to show him which way up to hold it.

GJ

digerati · Oct 3, 2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by raid517

Yeah, maybe glasses for reading. I'm sure they aren't covered. Anyway Kerry may be many things, but I doubt he's a magician. If he had been writing notes it would have been pretty visible.

Seems a tad trivial to me. Is such a memorandum even real?

Maybe bush could have used a pen himself - though he might have needed an aid to show him which way up to hold it.

GJ

He was writing notes. And so was Bush. But they were only allowed to use the materials already at the podium. Which was blank paper and pencils/pens. And you would not believe the bullshit the candidates sign for debates. There hasn't been a real debate since like the 70s.

raid517 · Oct 3, 2004, 06:59 PM

Seems that would hinder a debate more than help it. I mean, you wouldn't be able to spring any suprises on the other guy without him knowing about it first.

A memorandum of understanding is hardly a legal doccument anyway - and even if Kerry did use his own pen (or lucky pencil) it still seems like a pretty trivial offense - since as you say note taking was allowed anyway.

Whatever these guys think it was, I doubt it was some kind of weird psychic debate winning device beaming answers and clever retorts directly to Kerry's brain.

He has already shown he is a very good one on one debator in the past, not wooden or mechanical like Gore was. He has a sharp mind - it is just his gangly body that seems to take a while sometimes to catch up with it. Those great big oversized limbs seem a tad awkward, but he does have a sharp mind particularly in a debate - of that there is no doubt.

More than anything I think he has just suffered from bad advisors - or maybe he ignored the ones he had a little too much.

GJ

digerati · Oct 3, 2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by raid517

Seems that would hinder a debate more than help it. I mean, you wouldn't be able to spring any suprises on the other guy without him knowing about it first.

It does hinder a debate. Like I said there hasn't been a real debate since the 70s when it was handled by some women group. Now it's sponsored by major corporations for the left and the right. They also agree to not allow nader in the debate. It's horrible and I think this needs to be changed.

digitalwanderer · Oct 3, 2004, 07:05 PM

It was his picture of Jesus that he likes to look at for inspiration.

digerati · Oct 3, 2004, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

It was his picture of Jesus that he likes to look at for inspiration.

Is that official or just a lame bs excuse? I don't think Jesus would like him being pro choice.

raid517 · Oct 3, 2004, 07:10 PM

Wouldn't Jesus be banned from that kind of debate?

Dom · Oct 3, 2004, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ^_^

Is that official or just a lame bs excuse? I don't think Jesus would like him being pro choice.

Do you even believe in Jesus?

raid517 · Oct 3, 2004, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom

Do you even believe in Jesus?

Ohhh can we please not go there?

It always ends these things the same way.

GJ

Dom · Oct 3, 2004, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by raid517

Ohhh can we please not go there?

It always ends these things the same way.

GJ

Relax, I'm just messing with him.

digerati · Oct 3, 2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom

Do you even believe in Jesus?

I believe that a lot of people believe in him lol

raid517 · Oct 3, 2004, 07:21 PM

Maybe it was a Voodoo doll of Bush. Maybe it was Kerry jabbing it through all Bush's answers that made him look so awkward?

GJ

raid517 · Oct 3, 2004, 07:27 PM

Then again, possibly for once, on the scale of political scandal of maybe one to ten, no one really gives a shit.

GJ

Nacht · Oct 3, 2004, 08:17 PM

kerry handled himself wwell at the debate methinks...

i didnt catch it all but thats just the feeling i got. but we all know that bush isnt the greatest orator, so that didnt surprise me.

lenchmob · Oct 3, 2004, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nacht

kerry handled himself wwell at the debate methinks...

i didnt catch it all but thats just the feeling i got. but we all know that bush isnt the greatest orator, so that didnt surprise me.

Maybe Kerry was pulling out TicTacs lol. No but really Kerry soundly beat Bush no doubt as far as the debate's concerned. But that's it he didn't win the argument.

raid517 · Oct 3, 2004, 09:06 PM

Well he did. I mean by definition if he won the debate, he also won the argument. But did he win any votes? That's another question. How many people on the basis of this debate are likely to change their vote? My guess is possibly not enough.

GJ

lenchmob · Oct 3, 2004, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by raid517

Well he did. I mean by definition if he won the debate, he also won the argument. But did he win any votes? That's another question. How many people on the basis of this debate are likely to change their vote? My guess is possibly not enough.

GJ

Now we're nitpicking j/k, I agree I don't think he'll get the votes based primarily on the debates...

Nacht · Oct 3, 2004, 10:38 PM

john kerry just isnt known enough. nobody knows anything about him...he feels like a stranger to most people, that's not the kind of person you want. i also think they messed up his campaign alot by pushing his vietnam record...which clearly caused more trouble than it was worth IMO.

digerati · Oct 5, 2004, 03:21 PM

This about sums up debates.

raid517 · Oct 5, 2004, 04:16 PM

So you tie them up and knots and there is no debate at all any more? Lol... That's about the size of it I think.

Tonights debate could be more interesting though. The young dynamic lawyer goes after Al Vampire - erm Donald Rumsfeld....

Lol, all I know is you wouldn't want him scraping at your window on a night.

GJ

raid517 · Oct 5, 2004, 09:21 PM

Freaking hell, I'm watching tonights debate - all those rules. I thought you were joking. Why can't they just slug it out together? I mean be polite and not hog the mic etc, but some cross examination would be cool.

GJ

Nacht · Oct 5, 2004, 10:32 PM

I think Colin Powell should run

raid517 · Oct 5, 2004, 11:01 PM

Tonightes debate? score=1:1. Edwards could have made more of it, Cheney was nervous to start, but Edwards looked like he was a nice guy who lacked the killer edge. (Or lacked experience?)

Some of his arguments were kind of old.

GJ

digerati · Oct 6, 2004, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nacht

I think Colin Powell should run

I've been saying that forever!

digerati · Oct 6, 2004, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by raid517

Freaking hell, I'm watching tonights debate - all those rules. I thought you were joking. Why can't they just slug it out together? I mean be polite and not hog the mic etc, but some cross examination would be cool.

GJ

I don't joke too much unless I've got a

or an lol following it. Like I said, there hasn't been a real US debate since the 70s.

Oct 3, 2004, 03:50 PM	#1
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Oct 3, 2004, 07:27 PM	#15
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Then again, possibly for once, on the scale of political scandal of maybe one to ten, no one really gives a shit. GJ Last edited by raid517; Oct 3, 2004 at 07:36 PM.

Oct 5, 2004, 04:16 PM	#22
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	So you tie them up and knots and there is no debate at all any more? Lol... That's about the size of it I think. Tonights debate could be more interesting though. The young dynamic lawyer goes after Al Vampire - erm Donald Rumsfeld.... Lol, all I know is you wouldn't want him scraping at your window on a night. GJ Last edited by raid517; Oct 5, 2004 at 06:47 PM.

Oct 3, 2004, 04:20 PM	#2
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,942 Rep Power: 0	Dunno, maybe scrap paper. Neither candidate signed the "Memorandum of Understanding" though. Is there any footage of Bush stepping to the podium?

Oct 3, 2004, 04:21 PM	#3
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, maybe glasses for reading. I'm sure they aren't covered. Anyway Kerry may be many things, but I doubt he's a magician. If he had been writing notes it would have been pretty visible. Seems a tad trivial to me. Is such a memorandum even real? Maybe bush could have used a pen himself - though he might have needed an aid to show him which way up to hold it. GJ

Oct 3, 2004, 06:59 PM	#5
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Seems that would hinder a debate more than help it. I mean, you wouldn't be able to spring any suprises on the other guy without him knowing about it first. A memorandum of understanding is hardly a legal doccument anyway - and even if Kerry did use his own pen (or lucky pencil) it still seems like a pretty trivial offense - since as you say note taking was allowed anyway. Whatever these guys think it was, I doubt it was some kind of weird psychic debate winning device beaming answers and clever retorts directly to Kerry's brain. He has already shown he is a very good one on one debator in the past, not wooden or mechanical like Gore was. He has a sharp mind - it is just his gangly body that seems to take a while sometimes to catch up with it. Those great big oversized limbs seem a tad awkward, but he does have a sharp mind particularly in a debate - of that there is no doubt. More than anything I think he has just suffered from bad advisors - or maybe he ignored the ones he had a little too much. GJ

Oct 3, 2004, 07:10 PM	#9
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Wouldn't Jesus be banned from that kind of debate?

Oct 3, 2004, 07:21 PM	#14
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Maybe it was a Voodoo doll of Bush. Maybe it was Kerry jabbing it through all Bush's answers that made him look so awkward? GJ

Oct 3, 2004, 08:17 PM	#16
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	kerry handled himself wwell at the debate methinks... i didnt catch it all but thats just the feeling i got. but we all know that bush isnt the greatest orator, so that didnt surprise me.

Oct 3, 2004, 09:06 PM	#18
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well he did. I mean by definition if he won the debate, he also won the argument. But did he win any votes? That's another question. How many people on the basis of this debate are likely to change their vote? My guess is possibly not enough. GJ

Oct 3, 2004, 10:38 PM	#20
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	john kerry just isnt known enough. nobody knows anything about him...he feels like a stranger to most people, that's not the kind of person you want. i also think they messed up his campaign alot by pushing his vietnam record...which clearly caused more trouble than it was worth IMO.

Oct 5, 2004, 03:21 PM	#21
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,780 Rep Power: 47	This about sums up debates.

Oct 5, 2004, 09:21 PM	#23
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Freaking hell, I'm watching tonights debate - all those rules. I thought you were joking. Why can't they just slug it out together? I mean be polite and not hog the mic etc, but some cross examination would be cool. GJ

Oct 5, 2004, 10:32 PM	#24
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	I think Colin Powell should run

Oct 5, 2004, 11:01 PM	#25
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Tonightes debate? score=1:1. Edwards could have made more of it, Cheney was nervous to start, but Edwards looked like he was a nice guy who lacked the killer edge. (Or lacked experience?) Some of his arguments were kind of old. GJ