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Sep 20, 2004, 08:53 PM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
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reasons not to elect john kerry
no conviction on anything unlike george bush. all he knows that bush is wrong.
wears his military service on his sleeve. i wouldn't have done it after the way he came back from vietnam.
has no real plan for anything. if he does someone please tell me.
we are at war. agree or disagree with the present situation i believe he would portray a weak indecisive america and that is dangerous for us.
begining of the end of the war on terror. i don't believe he would be willing to make the tough calls the would require to send our young men and women into harms way or to do anything that would possibly be politically harmful.
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Sep 20, 2004, 08:55 PM
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Everyones life has worth
Join Date: May 2003
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Let us all not forget the evils of botox lol
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Sep 20, 2004, 09:25 PM
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Carpcarpcarpcarpcarp
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I don't think either Kerry or Bush are good candidates....
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Sep 21, 2004, 12:42 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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6. His wife, who's rude, and wont disclose her tax info from this last year.
7. His wife, her companies contributions/donations (for which she fully aware of) to a group to a known front for the terrorist group known as Al Quida!.
8. John Kerry’s violation of 1st amendment rights "the freedom of speech, or of the press" in particular by having security confiscate the reporters recordings of a speech he gave at a high school or collage. I'm pretty sure it was a collage.
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Sep 21, 2004, 04:07 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Originally Posted by amduser
no conviction on anything unlike george bush. all he knows that bush is wrong.
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I think that's matter of opinion. I think he's convincing.
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wears his military service on his sleeve. i wouldn't have done it after the way he came back from vietnam.
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I personally find nothing wrong with that. Perhaps had Bush actually served in a war he would too.
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has no real plan for anything. if he does someone please tell me.
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What plan does Bush have for exiting Iraq?
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we are at war. agree or disagree with the present situation i believe he would portray a weak indecisive america and that is dangerous for us.
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I don't know if he'd be indecisive. But before 9/11, Bush's indecisiveness to let the FBI go after al Quaeda is what got us here.
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begining of the end of the war on terror. i don't believe he would be willing to make the tough calls the would require to send our young men and women into harms way or to do anything that would possibly be politically harmful.
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I think he would.
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Sep 21, 2004, 04:08 AM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kuwait
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A friend of mine emailed me this, which I found interesting:
NAME: John Kerry
RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including Washington, DC, worth multimillions.
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement. I voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA
and defense bill in my career as a US Senator. I ordered Boston to
remove a fire hydrant which I considered unsightly, in front of my mansion,
thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire.
MILITARY:
I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from
the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending
doctor). I then returned to the US, joined Jane Fonda in protesting
the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed
atrocities and were baby killers. I threw my medals, ribbons, or
something away in protest. Or did I? My book; Vietnam Veterans
Against the War: The New Soldier shows how I truly feel about the
military. I deplore the military!
COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not
get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I
have no real world experience except that of a gigolo, by marrying rich
women and running HJ Heinz vicariously through my wife Teresa.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
As a US Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting
record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have
consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting
against budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself.
Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit
that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I
have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes
significantly if I am elected.
My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart, George
Bush, that he will never catch up. I make no or little charitable
contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in MA, despite
family wealth in excess of $700 million.
I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the
U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from
the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although blame George
Bush for sending all of the jobs out of Country.
Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy
sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard
as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
None.
PERSONAL
I ride a Serotta Bike.
My Gulfstream V Jet I call The Flying Squirrel.
I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the
"Scarmouche."
I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our
real culture.
I own several "Large" SUVs including one parked at my
Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large polluting inefficient
vehicles and blame George Bush for the energy problems.
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.
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Sep 21, 2004, 04:10 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
6. His wife, who's rude, and wont disclose her tax info from this last year.
7. His wife, her companies contributions/donations (for which she fully aware of) to a group to a known front for the terrorist group known as Al Quida!.
8. John Kerry’s violation of 1st amendment rights "the freedom of speech, or of the press" in particular by having security confiscate the reporters recordings of a speech he gave at a high school or collage. I'm pretty sure it was a collage.
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I've never heard anything about your above post's content in the news.
I'm more worried about the "Patriot Act" violating the constitution than Kerry's security taking a tape recorder.
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Sep 21, 2004, 05:36 AM
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DriverHeaven Lover
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Originally Posted by Dom
I've never heard anything about your above post's content in the news.
I'm more worried about the "Patriot Act" violating the constitution than Kerry's security taking a tape recorder.
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Why worry about the Patriot Act? I don't and most people in this country don't unless they have something to hide and then they may have something to worry about. I don't think the average american has anything to worry about. Even if for some reason you was investigated you probably wouldn't even know it happened unless they found something that caught there interest. Wheither you realize it or not people in this country are investigated all the time by various civilian companys who may or may not sell your information.
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Sep 21, 2004, 07:16 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Originally Posted by Dom
I've never heard anything about your above post's content in the news.
I'm more worried about the "Patriot Act" violating the constitution than Kerry's security taking a tape recorder.
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You need to watch more news! and it wasn't just one they took the reporters tapes. Aprently he said soming verry much out of line other wise why would he even bother?
just like this isn't coverd
reason: 9 French herritage, hides it, speaks freach fluntly to his family, never in public. Has freach relatives one is a govenor in france.
so you haven watched fox news/cnn news the last few years or what? j/k
I did some searches for the stuff in print....
They been discussin terasa Heinz told reporters to "Shut up" "Shove it."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1178602/posts
shes even called people "idiots"
She has said "I never said" 3 minutes after her speach that AND THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO TAPE!
http://mfile.akamai.com/8186/wmv/vod...576483.56k.wmv
she goes those are you words not mine and then goes off. just remeberd that so add lier to the list. this videos isn't the best the CNN /or fox news air version was way better..
more on her MISC
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1191078/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1180664/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189935/posts
tax returns
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1167979/posts
thats just a sample
You really need to glue you self to the news more dom LOL
If I still had my tv wonder card I'd have alot for you to watch 
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Sep 21, 2004, 09:57 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
You need to watch more news! and it wasn't just one they took the reporters tapes. Aprently he said soming verry much out of line other wise why would he even bother?
just like this isn't coverd
reason: 9 French herritage, hides it, speaks freach fluntly to his family, never in public. Has freach relatives one is a govenor in france.
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You can't be serious.
What is wrong with French people? Jesus, you really need to get over your anti-French crap. Who cares if he's French? I suppose Jews and African Americans shouldn't be able to run for president either? Gov. Schwarzenegger is Austrian, but I'm sure you like him because he's Rebublican, right?
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so you haven watched fox news/cnn news the last few years or what? j/k
I did some searches for the stuff in print....
They been discussin terasa Heinz told reporters to "Shut up" "Shove it."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1178602/posts
shes even called people "idiots"
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Didn't Cheney tell a Senator to "Fuck off!"? I fail to see your point.
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She has said "I never said" 3 minutes after her speach that AND THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO TAPE!
http://mfile.akamai.com/8186/wmv/vod...576483.56k.wmv
she goes those are you words not mine and then goes off. just remeberd that so add lier to the list. this videos isn't the best the CNN /or fox news air version was way better..
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I really can't understand what she said in that clip. Apparently she said something about certain aspects of politics being anti-American?
Isn't the FreeRepublic a right-wing paper?
I see where you get a lot of your opinions from...
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You really need to glue you self to the news more dom LOL
If I still had my tv wonder card I'd have alot for you to watch
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I have a life outside of this political forum.
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Sep 21, 2004, 10:15 AM
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VETUS INFLATIO
Join Date: Sep 2002
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People bitch about Bush, but he is a damn sight better than Gore ever could have been, and definitely real, you cant say that about Kerry.
I think Americans are just realizing that faliure to vote every four years is what has got us all here, so we have only ourselves to blame.
what we have here is a situation.....
THE EVIL OF TWO LESSERS.
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Sep 21, 2004, 04:23 PM
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DriverHeaven Lover
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Originally Posted by Dom
[...] Didn't Cheney tell a Senator to "Fuck off!"? I fail to see your point.
[...] Isn't the FreeRepublic a right-wing paper?
I see where you get a lot of your opinions from...
[...] I have a life outside of this political forum.
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Cheney did, but that doesn't give any politician a "Cuss someone out for free" card. The point is that reprehesible behavior in our elected officials and their associates (family, friends, employees, etc.) should not be condoned in public. If she called others 'idiots' or 'scumbags' in private, no one should care as she has a right to her privacy.
I thought I read that you were an independant, Dom. How can you claim any degree of independancy if you hold yourself to non-right-wing literature? I thought we independents traditionally find a middle ground between BOTH sides, left and right.
Don't we all? I just got back from handing part of my "hella" paycheck to my girlfriend for fashion "needs." [quotes added for emphasis]
Neon, please take more time to proofread your points. I realize that you're in a hurry to get your point across and that, in person, you could present your case without errors, but sometimes it is difficult to spend the extra time it takes to translate your posts. This is not a flame, so please don't take it as one. Heh heh heh, the speed of your post won't help convert Dom or prodigal genius from the "Dark Side."
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Sep 21, 2004, 06:36 PM
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Delete Me
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bush and cheney also got in trouble for leaving mics open at a school function and making 'off color comments' about stuff there too....
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Sep 21, 2004, 08:21 PM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
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kerry is promising today that he will get what bush could not. he is promising that the world will help us if he is elected. he grovel at the un's feet for their blessing. i for one am sickened at the prospect of the un be involved in anything. just look at the last 13 years. rwanda, yugoslavia, mogadishu,sudan, and iraq. genocide. not one finger lifted to help these people. peacekeepers told not to get involved in stopping obvious mass executions. a good army friend of mine refers to the blue wall of shame when he was over in yugoslavia. is this the organization you want backstopping your ass in iraq or for that matter anywhere in the world?
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Sep 21, 2004, 08:26 PM
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DriverHeaven Lover
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Ha ha ha, private comments made public? Sucks for them. There was also an old one involving Kerry's overheard remarks at a Union rally. It had something to do with Kerry not trusting the bastards he was about to talk to. Not like the Union cared - Kerry covered up by saying he was talking about Republicans - they ate it right up.
What school was this? If it was a bunch of racist comments at an all black school... dumbasses. Keep the unelectable comments to yourself until you're back in the car with all the doors closed, morons.
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Sep 21, 2004, 09:13 PM
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DriverHeaven Lover
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The UN is too big and too democratic for quick decisive action. That is the weakness of Democracy and the power of the dictator. Democracy needs consent, full or a partial majority, while a dictator can send troops on a whim.
This forces the question of how we (both US and world) want to be protected from terrorism. Quick retalliation - can't think of anything recent. Eventual retalliation - the state sends troops eventually, usually through the executive order of the president (doesn't require permission from Congress); how we handled the Taliban. Full retalliation - Full/overwhelming support of Congress/President/Public for war, usually takes forever depending on the severity of the situation; Full Declaration of War. Reactionary - waiting to be attacked first and then responding. Pre-emptive - seeing a threat and diffusing it before explodes in our face.
The UN is definitely reactionary (due to all pre-emptive plans being to simple or too costly or just wrong) and requires the full support of the nations on the security council. Getting 17 (?) diverse nations to agree on practically anything regarding the deployment of member nation's troops during a time of peace (or relative peace concerning those nations) is nearly impossible.
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Sep 21, 2004, 10:35 PM
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DH's oldest Geek?
Join Date: May 2003
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"I really can't understand what she said in that clip." ?!?!?
Dom dude. that must have been your 'selective liberal hearing' kicking in on you.
99-44/100% of the rest of the world understood it. Gotta love the 'selective eyesight/hearing/comprehension' of the libs. It's always good for a chuckle.
That's why we need a few liberals around. As long as they aren't in power they are funny as hell 
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Sep 21, 2004, 11:09 PM
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Hydrogenated Dumbass
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Isn't it just more than obvious that it takes Bush's re-election to get him out of the oval office anyway? Most president's don't last more than two terms anyway. Give him his last four years already. If he farks up the USA big time again, the people will retaliate. If he does a good job the next four years, than just say thank you Bush and shut up (both dem's and rep's).
Kerry is the "wasn't good enought to run, but was lucky cuz all the real candidates where waiting for '08 elections". To vote for him is like saying "I voted for him since we have nobody else to vote cuz I really don't like Bush". Funny thing is that this is probably true. In reality, what America needs is a third party to rejuvenate the current political system that is composed of two parties that are pretty much one and the same, but with different "visible agenda's" that are there only to get one side elected.
- My 2 loonies.
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Sep 22, 2004, 12:23 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Originally Posted by Dom
You can't be serious.
What is wrong with French people? Jesus, you really need to get over your anti-French crap. Who cares if he's French? I suppose Jews and African Americans shouldn't be able to run for president either? Gov. Schwarzenegger is Austrian, but I'm sure you like him because he's Rebublican, right?
Two resons he hides it so he's ashamed of it, he hides it becouse alot of people wouldn't vote for just becouse that fact. It's not fair but it's the world we live in.
Didn't Cheney tell a Senator to "Fuck off!"? I fail to see your point.
Rofl, but they only asked her to claify what she allready said and denied even saying it..
I really can't understand what she said in that clip. Apparently she said something about certain aspects of politics being anti-American?
she aimed it at the bush campain and anyone that critisized her husband Wish I could find a better verson but it's old news about a mouth old. to many things with the same key words
Isn't the FreeRepublic a right-wing paper?
I see where you get a lot of your opinions from...
I don't know I only looked for a sourss of information that states the points I stated and wer discussed on live tv. I useally don't read web sources of news with out TV counter parts...
I have a life outside of this political forum.
I know so do I but i spend alot of my my day watching, or listing to news as I surf the web. I keep finding more and more reasons to buy a tv capture card again
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Sep 22, 2004, 06:50 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Originally Posted by Sturmbahn
Cheney did, but that doesn't give any politician a "Cuss someone out for free" card. The point is that reprehesible behavior in our elected officials and their associates (family, friends, employees, etc.) should not be condoned in public. If she called others 'idiots' or 'scumbags' in private, no one should care as she has a right to her privacy.
I thought I read that you were an independant, Dom. How can you claim any degree of independancy if you hold yourself to non-right-wing literature? I thought we independents traditionally find a middle ground between BOTH sides, left and right.
Don't we all? I just got back from handing part of my "hella" paycheck to my girlfriend for fashion "needs." [quotes added for emphasis]
Neon, please take more time to proofread your points. I realize that you're in a hurry to get your point across and that, in person, you could present your case without errors, but sometimes it is difficult to spend the extra time it takes to translate your posts. This is not a flame, so please don't take it as one. Heh heh heh, the speed of your post won't help convert Dom or prodigal genius from the "Dark Side."
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Yes, middle ground, not right-wing or left-wing. I don't consider right-wing sources fair as I don't consider left-wing sources fair. If it was from a reputable source I wouldn't have said a thing.
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Sep 22, 2004, 06:58 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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"I really can't understand what she said in that clip." ?!?!?
Dom dude. that must have been your 'selective liberal hearing' kicking in on you.
99-44/100% of the rest of the world understood it. Gotta love the 'selective eyesight/hearing/comprehension' of the libs. It's always good for a chuckle.
That's why we need a few liberals around. As long as they aren't in power they are funny as hell 
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Yes, I couldn't understand fully what was going on. If you heard it why don't you tell me verbatim what she said? I think the problem is your conservative 'I am right, you are wrong. I don't have to prove anything, I just have to make stuff up' attitude.
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Sep 22, 2004, 07:03 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Two resons he hides it so he's ashamed of it, he hides it becouse alot of people wouldn't vote for just becouse that fact. It's not fair but it's the world we live in.
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It's the world we live in and I don't see you making it any better. Perhaps if you had a legitimate point for being anti-French I would agree with you.
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Rofl, but they only asked her to claify what she allready said and denied even saying it..
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As I said, it sounded to me like she said something along the lines of; "certain aspects are anti-American". The reported sounded like he asked her why she said "politics are anti-American".
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she aimed it at the bush campain and anyone that critisized her husband Wish I could find a better verson but it's old news about a mouth old. to many things with the same key words
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I didn't see anything like that happen. I didn't hear any mention of the Bush campaign.
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I don't know I only looked for a sourss of information that states the points I stated and wer discussed on live tv. I useally don't read web sources of news with out TV counter parts...
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So you mean to tell me you searched for sources for several points and the only hits you got led you to the FreeRepublic?
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I know so do I but i spend alot of my my day watching, or listing to news as I surf the web. I keep finding more and more reasons to buy a tv capture card again
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I don't and am still able to find more non-objective sources than you.
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Sep 22, 2004, 03:48 PM
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