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what exactly are these things?



theyre not contrails



theres numerous reports of these 'spraying' worldwide

read up on it
http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=fp...t&p=chemtrails

Dom

Well...I hope whatever is going on it's nothing bad, because I've seen these things in my own neighborhood several times, including today.

Nacht

"spraying"?

how are they not contrails?

plus if it was chem spraying...wouldnt it be in a much wider path? it had better be, because a line like that would be rather useless.

Dom

Well, upon reading through the posted links, these "chemtrails", unlike contrails, don't dissipate with in several minutes like contrails do. They last hours and turn in to what look like clouds. I, myself can verify this because these trails are all over the sky above me and have been for a few hours now. I could take a picture, if you'd like?

Nacht

look at the picture i posted, it's from observatory photos...and they are described as specifically "contrails", with cirrus clouds surrounding them. they continue off into the distance for a good distance, indicating that they have been there for longer than several minutes.

besides in this picture:

it is impossible for those cirrus clouds to be from the trail anyways. they are on clearly different altitudes as the "chemtrail" has not been wavered at all, while the clouds have been blown a good bit.

Dom

Okay, but why do these planes make several passes over the same spot? I just find it more than a little disconcerning 'cause after reading this thread (a couple of hours ago) I went and watched these things spread out just like in the pictures above.

Nacht

i honestly cant answer that...where do you live? you might happen to live near one of those aircraft navigation radio beacons...thus they would cross over you often.

im just trying to find a rational explanation, as tthis to me seems a little irrational.

Dom

Queens, NY. I've been seeing these things for a few years now, I just figured they were nothing. BTW, there's nothing over here but residential places.

Nacht

the VORs (what aircraft use to navigate) are located near you. you have Laguardia and JFK both taking in flights, and issuing holding patterns. given your location from the airport, it is not suprising that there are aircraft criss crossing over your location.

Dom

Oh, you meant airports? Okay, yeahs those are near me.

ToshiroOC

What says a contrail cannot act as a nucleation point for a new cloud?

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Dom

I don't know what can do what but I wanna make sure this is just contrails.

pr0digal jenius

they definately exist, as these can't be contrails, nor 'saint elmo's fire'

ToshiroOC

Good luck finding funding for a weather balloon and spectrometers to check the composition of the air up there.

In response to pr0digal's post above me... that looks like a flight testing plane specifically designed to throw smoke out of its back so they can see the airflow behind the plane. Where did you get the picture? 10bux says it came from a flight R&D center.

edit: Here, look at a few NASA/Dryden pictures of Boeings doing the smoke thing:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-727/index.html

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/B-747/index.html

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The_Neon_Cowboy

oh god not another conspiracy theory...my god people are saying it's everything from the USA to control the world weather enviroment to mind control how lame, and that it's showed up and become more and more frequnt with the bush administantion... and that the celluar towers are going to be used to control us hogwash
http://www.rense.com/general53/yourlifeasahuman.htm

you guys realize the amount of moisture in the air determines how long and large the I don't know the proper names I’ll call them "jet trails" through the sky from jet engines...

when you see them and they are larger usually it rains in the next few days.. It’s an indicator of how much moisture is in the atmosphere…

just ask a meteorologist

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Originally Posted by Dom Okay, but why do these planes make several passes over the same spot? I just find it more than a little disconcerning 'cause after reading this thread (a couple of hours ago) I went and watched these things spread out just like in the pictures above.

plane flys on thing called flight paths... they pre determand common routes they often fallow to multiple destinations it's likely done for thier resons..
ecpeally if you live anywre near an air port you see them take the same pathsover and over and over....

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