John Kerry... bwhahahahah

Mrgrimrpr

I see so many I hate Bush topics, I gotta start one!

I would rather have BUsh in as president than the John Kerry the Coward.

Got shot in the ass while running from the enemy.

Bush made a decition on bad intelligence. NOT a lie Micheal Moore.

A lie is when you know something false while you are doing it.

ToshiroOC

If you have something new to say, say it - but as it stands, you just said a bunch of rather baseless claims. Show me proof that Kerry was "shot in the ass", or alternately that Kerry didn't get shot in the ass and didn't deserve a purple heart for it (since you can't have it both ways, now can you?). Show me proof that Bush even cared about the intelligence while he was doing his decision making, instead of simply deciding to war Iraq, and using the intelligence to justify it.

digerati

Agreed.
(Even if he is a damn slant)

Mrgrimrpr

I guess I got told...

Edit: Using the same method, how do you know that Bush did what you said he did? You have nothing.

I was kidding about the John Kerry thing. He just has a greasy used-car salesman thing going...

Borealis

I personally know a riverine marine from vietnam, what they dealt with in the mekong delta is nothing to scoff at. You would run too, mind you I haven't paid enough attention to what kerry did or what happened to him there.

The guy I know told me that 30 years later he still can't sleep at night, he sometimes cries himself to sleep b/c it was so horrible over there. He was there during the Tet offensive too and still has flashbacks about it all. Since when was Bush on the frontlines?

One night he opened up and told me a bunch of stories from being there, I refuse to even ask him or mention the word "Vietnam" to him just for the fact you could see the pain in his eyes. I give the highest respect for any person who served during Vietnam, other wars also but especially Vietnam. It's almost like I could feel 30 years worth of fear eminating from him during these stories.

I.E. In the middle of a firefight on the delta, firing with an M-60 machinegun and M-79 grenade launcher, you feel someone grab your leg, you turn around to shoot them and what do you see.....not a "charlie", your commanding officer screaming at the brink of death b/c Half his face is blown off and both eyes blown out from a grenade and it's shrapnel.

ToshiroOC

Correct, I have nothing, but I also didn't bring it up in the first place.

Borealis: I have respect for any man who has worked for our nation in a combat zone. I have respect for Kerry.

kp59583

If you read about some of the men who were station with him you would know that at least one of the purple hearts was self inflicted by mistake. His commanding officer didn't put him in for a purple heart and doesn't know who did. Nobody else knows either. If Kerry wants to stop the citicism then all he has to do is release his military records. He won't do that because he has something to hide.

Dom

Bad intelligence, yes. Or an intelligence failure, much like 9/11. Two major intelligence failures in a periord of about two years. Amazing.

kp59583

Well look at Clintons record. First World Trade Center bombing, Cole Bombing, bad intelligence probably or intelligence failure. Every nations Intel people said the same thing about Iraq. So if everybody and his mother is saying the same about a countrys capablities of WMD's the president should just ignor it?

kp59583

Dom

Yes, and that's over a period of 8 years, not 2 and the death toll was far less...
Clinton:
WTC bombing, about 7 killed.
US Cole, about 20 killed.

Bush Jr.:
September 11th attacks, about 3,000 killed.
War in Iraq, about 1,000 killed.

But that's neither here nor there. This isn't about Clinton, it's about Bush.

I don't believe almost every country said something about Iraq, only about 2; US and GB. And I don't expect the president to do nothing, I expect him to do everything possible. Like use diplomacy and then military might, not just the last one.

For all those who think Iraq is better off now, tell me, what more do they have now then they did before? Money? Freedom? A country of their own? All they have now is an occupying force instead of a dictator.

Dom

Source?

kp59583

Washington—In a reversal of their staunch defense of John Kerry's military service record, Kerry campaign officials were quoted by Fox News saying that it was indeed possible that John Kerry's first Purple Heart commendation was the result of an, unintentional, self-inflicted wound."
"GARRETT: And questions keep coming. For example, Kerry received a Purple Heart for wounds suffered on December 2, 1968. But in Kerry's own journal written nine days later, he writes he and his crew, quote, "hadn't been shot at yet," unquote. Kerry's campaign has said it is possible this first Purple Heart was awarded for an unintentional self-inflicted wound -- Brit." (Special Report with Brit Hume Aug.23, 2004)
A recent television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth featured Doctor Lewis Letson who treated Kerry for his minor injury and Grant Hibbard who served as John Kerry's direct commander on the mission where he claimed his medal. Both men say Kerry did not deserve the medal given the fact that Kerry received a very minor wound requiring no more than band-aid treatment and because the wound was not a direct result of hostile fire, a requirement for a Purple Heart commendation.
"When Grant Hibbard and Doctor Letson appeared in our ad, they were attacked and vilified by the Kerry campaign but now we see news reports saying the Kerry campaign is now sheepishly acknowledging that what we said was true," said Admiral Hoffmann, founder of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. "John Kerry's own journal reinforces the fact that neither Kerry nor his crew had seen hostile enemy action. John Kerry's first Purple Heart medal is based on fiction."
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is calling on the Kerry campaign to apologize to Grant Hibbard and Doctor Letson as the men did nothing more than come forward to speak the truth about the situation involving John Kerry's first Purple Heart medal.
This is not the only incident in which Kerry campaign officials have changed their story concerning Kerry's prestigious war medals. The incident on the Bay Hap River in which Kerry received his third Purple Heart and Bronze Star has also been the subject of considerable waffling by Kerry officials.
During the Democratic National Convention, Kerry used the Bay Hap River incident to suggest that he alone returned to rescue Jim Rassmann—a Special Forces solider—who was on Kerry's boat and was tossed into the river. Kerry described this incident to the American people as "No man left behind."
However Kerry officials were forced to acknowledge that Kerry's boat actually left the scene when another swift boat—operating on the other side of the river—was damaged by an underwater mine. Kerry officials now admit that Kerry's boat returned after several minutes to pull Rassmann from the water while three other swift boats remained on site to render assistance to the injured crew of the one damaged boat. Campaign officials once claimed that Kerry returned to the scene under withering hostile fire to rescue Rassmann after all the other swift boats left. But other accounts from eyewitnesses of that day confirm that the other boats stayed on site and that Kerry returned to the scene, facing no enemy fire, only seconds before another swift boat was preparing to retrieve Mr. Rassmann from the water.
"John Kerry's stories are falling apart," added Hoffmann. His statements don't even match up with his own journal entries. We are going to continue telling the truth about John Kerry's military service record so that the American people can make their own decisions about John Kerry's qualifications to be the next Commander in Chief."

digerati

Can we have a link to go with that source please?

Dom

I agree.

Otherwise one could say...

Washington—In a shocking announcement today, President George W. Bush admitted that he was a "com--complete moron" and "unfit to run" the country.

Sturmbahn

This isn't about Clinton or Bush, their number of years in office during our passive resistance to terrorism, or the number of Americans killed (any dead are too many in my opinion), but the lack of clear intelligence. A very large reason why our intelligence was pathetic was because of the Torricelli Principle (link of the principle - http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000264.htm, link of the man - http://slate.msn.com/?id=2071776). This, during the Clinton administration (for time reference, not blame), forced the CIA to stop paying/bribing people with bad backgrounds for information.

As for diplomacy... we gave diplomacy a chance by leaving Saddam in power after the first Gulf War and for a period of 13 (?) years until just recently. It didn't work.

If you really need someone to tell you how Iraq is better off now than previously, then find a soldier who just returned from Iraq. They should be easy to find; I've got a reservist Uncle and a second cousin in the 3rd infantry in Bahgdad.

pr0digal jenius

I don't care what the soldiers think.....I wanna knwo0 what the people we are 'liberating' think

Dom

So what changed? Do you really think that a President's agenda form day one in the office (and before) should be to attack a sovereign country. One that which when Bush first entered office his Administration said didn't have any WMDs?

I'll be sure and do that. But I hardly doubt that one person's opinion will give an accurate view.

Sturmbahn

What do you mean? You don't care what the soldiers say, but you'll listen to what the media shows you (how else will you know what the people we are 'liberating' think )? One is an unbiased personal account (I'm assuming a personal conversation here) and the other is a group of reporters looking for the 'big' story. What do you think is more newsworthy to the media: a happy uneventful Kurd society freed from oppresion or the latest Islamic fundamentalist attack on our soldiers/the new government. Think it through.

pr0digal jenius

i don't trust the news unless it's from a good source(Ex - CNN...fox news is hardly reputable in ym book)

Mrgrimrpr

CNN is a bunch of Libral Propaganda. FOX News, tells it like it is.

Listen to Bill O'Reilly. He knows his stuff.

Prodigal- CNN is more of a slant to the left wing radicals. So, watch the station you watch, just remember that even CNN is a bucnh of Media Propaganda for your eyes, and ears.

Captn

Typical blinded liberal, People that talk like this makes the statement "Liberalism is a mental disorder" very true. Clinton is a joke, Kerry is a bigger joke who has nothing to run on.

kp59583

I got it from massnews.com and they say some of it came from a Special Report by Brit Hume Aug.23, 2004. But I've seen on other sites too mostly anti-kerry.

scarecrow1f9

Wether Kerry shot himself, was shot in the ass, or otherwise, it all really doesnt matter.

The validity of Kerry's "I was in Cambodia....wait, no I wasn't" claims and comments really only further field the bitterness of vets towards Kerry.

One particularly biased poster with the heading of "unbiased" post something to the effect that he respected Kerry because of his service. His defamation of service is the very basis for the hatred towards him from actual vietnam vets.

I assume most of you have at least read the monologue of the 1971 Kerry - O'neill debate. If you haven't and you're supporting Kerry, you need do so. Kerry is hated for his behavior AFTER he left, not during.

John Kerry headed the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, described as “revolutionary Communists" by the Boston Herald Traveler, which reported an "abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the air, and placards in support of China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government. (John F. McManus, “Kerry Postures as a War Hero,” May 5, 2003, The New American.)

The claim of this Vietnam Veterans Against War was simple; That all of the American soldiers still serving in vietnam were guilty of horrid war crimes. I repeat, that all of our soldiers were guilty of war crimes... because Kerry says so.

Kerry headed a group of short-lived vietnam vets... 30 at first, that made these claims. Kerry, while acting under a neo-Jesus complex declared that since he was running for office, he would be the guy thats good enough to step forward and admitt that all of our troops were murderers and rapists guilty of genocide at the very least.

Of these original 30, 17 ran for office at some point. I repeat, 17.

Kerry's group continued to protest wildly and up until the time he decided he wanted to run for office, up until then he landed himself in great pictures dipicting him holding the flag upside down with communist patches on, as well as marching around the city in mock-military uniforms with cong and Chinesse flags.

“Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti. They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the Viet Cong enemy.” (Chuck Noe, “What You Don’t Know About John Kerry,” January 20, 2004, Newsmax.)

Kerry’s book, The New Soldier, displayed VVAW members mocking the marines at Iwo Jima and holding an American Flag upside down. "These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for." (John F. McManus, “Kerry Postures as a War Hero,” May 5, 2003, The New American.)

By the time the 1971 O'neill debate rolled around Kerry had tried to make his political group of misfits into something more presentable. At this time they claimed to have 200 members, all vets, who made the same claims. In April of '71 Kerry's incescant bellowing finally fell onto the ear of someone that cared. His group, all 200 illeged names, were asked to testify to this - as so it could be investigated.

None excepted. Out of 200, not 1 claimed to have actually SEEN warcrimes.

Kerry himself stated that he himself had never seen any of the war crimes he accused every active soldier of being guilty of, but he said that he did participate in a free-fire zone. He later said in an 82' interview with te boston Globe that he never took place in this either, but saw others participating.

Kerry then became very happy when stating he did know 1 guy that would sign and testify... someone who of course he didnt give a name.

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/in...ic=KerryONeill


Kerry openly accused two and a half million American soldiers of war crimes to make an image of a "compassionate soldier" to help win an election. With Speeches written by Adam Walinsky, Robert Kennedy's speech writter, and the bold claim that he was the lone sacrifical lamb come to purge the sins of all of our murdering American soldiers, he ran for office.

Kerry's big soundbites include messages like "It's your RIGHT to free healthcare". When did that stop being socialism???

http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/585/1/27/
The communists party top 10 list of why they want Bush out of office. The EXACT same list found on Kerry's site.

And to Prodigal Jenuis who posted:

I don't care what the soldiers think.....I wanna knwo0 what the people we are 'liberating' think

How DARE you? It's unfortunate that most internet-based debates are versus the typical peirced queer teens of cyberspace.

scare

kp59583