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Old Aug 21, 2004, 06:55 AM   #1
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surprised NO One has posted anything about this.Swiftboat veterans for truth

Swiftboat veterans for truth. Mainstream media tryed to ignore them and they just won"t go away.

http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php



In a standing-room-only suite at the National Press Club, former “Swiftee” John O’Neill, spokesman for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, told reporters that the junior U.S. senator from Massachusetts spent 45 minutes on the phone with group founder Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, USN (Ret.), trying to “discourage” the band of brothers from going public with their united sentiment that Kerry is unfit to be the nation’s commander in chief.



The effort failed, and in a 90-minute session one veteran after another described with brutal honesty why he fixed his signature to a public letter to the Democrat candidate condemning Kerry’s allegations of war crimes and demanding that the former decorated Swift Boat skipper authorize the Department of Defense to release all his military records.

The letter, which is the centerpiece of the organization’s efforts, is signed, said O’Neill, by Swift Boat veterans “at all levels and from the entire political spectrum; the entire chain of command during the period Kerry served in Vietnam; veterans who participated in the engagements resulting in his medals; and the majority of officers who served with him in Coastal Division 11, the unit in which he spent most of his abbreviated four-month tour of duty.”



Leading off the parade of vets who trooped up to the podium was Rear Adm. Hoffman, who remarked, “I signed this letter because I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust – all absolute tenets of command.”

Hoffman, the former commander of Task Force 115, was near the top of Kerry’s chain of command while the senator was a young lieutenant junior grade serving in Vietnam in 1968-69.

Some of the comments:

<LI>Veteran Steve Gardner: “I watched him put his crew in jeopardy, his indecisive moves …”

Needs 'Constant Supervision'

<LI>Veteran Charles Plumley, who was seriously wounded in Swift Boat river operations combat, described Kerry as “self-absorbed, requiring constant supervision.”

<LI>Veteran Robert “Friar Tuck” Brant emotionally described how he was going to visit the Vietnam War Memorial wall right after the press conference and “tell my two dead crewmates” not to pay attention to how Kerry has dishonored them with his charges of nearly universal war crimes and atrocities (referring especially to Kerry's testimony on Capitol Hill in 1971).

<LI>Veteran James M. Zumwalt (son of the late Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, former chief of naval operations during Kerry’s tour of duty) chastised Kerry for repeating some of his Capitol Hill “falsehoods” again in the book “Tour of Duty.” “He [Kerry] has a personality disorder.”

<LI>Veteran Barnard Wolff: “He needs to clarify that first Purple Heart.”

<LI>Veteran Andy Horne: “Kerry left us with the stain of sewage.”

<LI>Veteran Robert G. Elder: “We didn’t lose the war on the ground in Vietnam, we lost it at home, and at home John Kerry was the field general.”

<LI>Veteran [color=#0000ff]Grant Hibbard[/color]: Kerry’s former immediate commander decried the first Purple Heart award. “I received the report on the mission; there had been no enemy fire.” Hibbard went on to explain that his only information was that Kerry himself had perhaps fired an M-79 grenade at the shore and got “scratched” from his own friendly fire. “There was no medical treatment. To this day I have no information [re the medal] on how or whom.”

But O’Neill told NewsMax.com that the medals and their back stories were not the real issue being targeted by the organization, referring to the second paragraph of the letter to Kerry:

'Grossly and Knowingly Distorted'

“It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us.) Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war.”

But it is with regard to the latter sentence of the charge that O’Neill and others get vague.

When asked by NewsMax if they had in mind any potential smoking gun of distortion that might be revealed by an unfettered examination of Kerry’s military records, there was no answer forthcoming.

The organization’s letter to Kerry ends with:

“Senator Kerry, we were there. We know the truth. We have been silent long enough. The stakes are too great, not only for America in general but, most important, for those who have followed us into service in Iraq and Afghanistan. We call upon you to provide a full, accurate accounting of your conduct in Vietnam.”

At the time of this writing Kerry's campaign headquarters, only blocks away from the Press Club, had no response to the letter or the news conference.

O’Neill, however, made it clear that the group was not on the Kerry camp's hit parade, making reference to the fact that some were referring to his organization as a collection of “bitter alcoholics.”

The 30-some Swift Boat vets on hand for the press meeting said that there was no political agenda and that they gained no joy from the enterprise but considered it a hallowed duty. As O’Neill said in his opening remarks:

“We endorse nobody. If a fit choice [for president] emerged, we would all be going home.”

O'Neill, an attorney in Houston, served in the same naval unit as Kerry and commanded Kerry's Swift Boat after Kerry left country.

Kerry's tour of duty lasted four months, ending at his own request after he received his third Purple Heart. According to naval regulations at the time, any service member who received three Purple Hearts could request a transfer out of the combat zone.

O'Neill is perhaps best remembered for his debate with Kerry in 1971 on "The Dick Cavett Show." He fought Kerry's allegations that many Vietnam soldiers had routinely engaged in atrocities. At the time Kerry was the spokesman for the anti-war group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Appearing on "Meet the Press in 1971, Kerry said that he and other U.S. troops committed "atrocities" in Vietnam. To this day he will not give details of what "atrocities" he committed. Appearing on "Meet the Press" last month, he said: "I think the word ['atrocities'] is a bad word. I think it's an inappropriate word. The words were honest, but on the other hand they were a little bit over the top. I don't like it when I hear it today."

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Old Aug 21, 2004, 08:26 AM   #2
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OH yeah...Neon posted and I as well about similiar issues regarding this...but nobody could pony up a good argument...bwahahahahahahhaha. Kerry is a phony
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Old Aug 21, 2004, 08:44 AM   #3
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I heard that author Michelle Malkin was thrown off Hardball with Chris Matthews. When she brought up some of the charges these guys are making about John Kerry. Chris wouln"t let her answer the quistions he was asking her. Free speech is only allowed for Miachel Moore i guess.
Rush Limbaugh interveiwed her about the Hardball incident it was very interesting .
Here is a link to a transcript of the interveiw. By the way she"s a hottie.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...iew.guest.html
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Old Aug 21, 2004, 08:55 AM   #4
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you want to open a huge can of worms, bring up Rush, I disagree with him on many issues that are emotionally driven, but the Kerry thing is paramount and demands scrutiny.

Michael Moore, is in effect a living caricature of the "family guy" cartoon...

People are upset with Bush, because they know sooner or later they will have to admit that he was right, I can understand why they dont understand a Texan, nor want to be lead by one.

I have nothing against the democratic ideals, its just that the democratic party has nothing to do with them..bwhahahhahahah

Bush will be relected again, on the strength of his administration.

Micheal Moore needs a good ass whoopin......(red neck vernaculer)
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well....it is true that they did not actually serve with him...so i dont like this particular group that much.

i do find a couple of points interesting though:
only those on his boat endorse him. (no officers, fellow captains)
his higher command say he isnt fit, and he had to be constantly supervised.
he was there for a short amount of time, and he uses it as a huge platform for his presidency.
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Old Aug 21, 2004, 12:55 PM   #6
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She wasn't thrown off, she wouldn't answer whether or not she thought Kerry purposely wounded himself.
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Old Aug 21, 2004, 01:05 PM   #7
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well....it is true that they did not actually serve with him...so i dont like this particular group that much.

i do find a couple of points interesting though:
only those on his boat endorse him. (no officers, fellow captains)
his higher command say he isnt fit, and he had to be constantly supervised.
he was there for a short amount of time, and he uses it as a huge platform for his presidency.
One of the anti-Kerry Swiftboat veterans actually changed his story. In the report he filed the days after Kerry saved the man whom fell overboard, he said that when Kerry dove in the water to say the man that they boat was indeed taking enemy fire, now he says it wasn't taking fire.

What I find the funniest is that Pres. Bush said Kerry's was-record was a "nobel" one and Kerry served nobly.
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that's not funny at all...because pres bush isnt the one making the statements...soooo

there are alot of people who get carried away with political agendas. this is the case with alot of 512 groups, and groups such as the religious right (sometimes).
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None of those veterans were on the same boat as Kerry, thus, I believe them to all be unqualified to make those statements.

Besides, Bush did this exact same thing to McCain in the 2000 primaries. It's totally his hand behind this.
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Old Aug 22, 2004, 06:40 AM   #10
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that's not funny at all...because pres bush isnt the one making the statements...soooo

there are alot of people who get carried away with political agendas. this is the case with alot of 512 groups, and groups such as the religious right (sometimes).
Please re-read my statement.
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Old Aug 22, 2004, 09:20 AM   #11
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None of those veterans were on the same boat as Kerry, thus, I believe them to all be unqualified to make those statements.
I listen to a Christian radio staton, and I heard the interview with the skipper that relieved Kerry and served with his former crew, opinions were formed there and are the genesis of the opinions and statements made by veterans now. John Kerry took a movie camera with him to Vietnam to record and dramatize his four months of active duty service. Kerry had a bad reputation then, and his former shipmates are not in concert with his statements that he made more than 50 times to the American Public. John Kerry has been running for the presidency since he left college, he is a confidant and family friend of the Kennedys since he was a boy. He slapped veterans that served with him in the face before he left, and took all the recorded film and edited his own movie to glorify his miniscule achievements. John Kerry is a phony, pure and simple, the issue is moot, and it will kill him when they count the votes. I am a former sailor, and know full well the legions of young men and women from the rich blue blooded eastern families making their mark before they resign their commisions and pursue a political career, it is an old story, a really old story.
In Hanoi, there is a small memorial to American political activists that spoke out against the war, their names are a who's who of prominent democrats and political extremists, and John Kerry is one of them.
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