Convicted Rapist wins £7m on UK Lotto

Al_Vampyre · Aug 12, 2004, 08:55 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3554008.stm

What do you think Guys & Girls??

dipstick · Aug 12, 2004, 09:04 AM

Yes! Maybe now he can buy willing women and he wont have to rape anymore

ToshiroOC · Aug 13, 2004, 01:17 AM

Yes, because it sets a bad precedent to deny him the money - what next, criminal background checks on anyone who wins the lotto to see if the lotto runners can just keep the money instead of giving it out? "Sorry, you have one minor parking infraction, no money"? Bad precedent, like I said.

~~HawK~~ · Aug 13, 2004, 02:10 AM

Yes,

but he should not be able to use it (bribes), until he is discharged from prison, who cares if he has live a sentence, he should have stayed on the decent path. Or he should appeal on account of his sirname, life must have been though

BWX · Aug 13, 2004, 02:32 AM

"Hoare, originally from Leeds, is nearing the end of his life sentence after being jailed in 1989 for attempted rape."

WTF? A life sentence over there doesn't mean life guess- And why did they let this guy out to go buy a ticket in the first place?

Al_Vampyre · Aug 13, 2004, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

"Hoare, originally from Leeds, is nearing the end of his life sentence after being jailed in 1989 for attempted rape."

WTF? A life sentence over there doesn't mean life guess- And why did they let this guy out to go buy a ticket in the first place?

Sadly a life sentence here generally translates to about 15 years (with good behaviour) although you can be whipped back into prison pretty sharpish if you do anything wrong.

Generally lifers nearing release are released on a gradual basis, eg this guy was out for the weekend when he bought the ticket.

What interest me is that everyone here has vosted 'Yes' and yet public opinion is running very high on both sides here in the UK...

**dj_stick** · Aug 13, 2004, 05:24 AM

well yes, he won it by chance, his background, age, gender, race have no bearing on lottery. There is nothing people can do to stop this, all this issue is is the media trying to make a story out of nothing (UK papers do that often if im not mistaken)

The_Neon_Cowboy · Aug 13, 2004, 05:28 AM

BTW: thats like 12.6 million USD

BWX · Aug 13, 2004, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_Vampyre

Sadly a life sentence here generally translates to about 15 years (with good behaviour) although you can be whipped back into prison pretty sharpish if you do anything wrong.

Generally lifers nearing release are released on a gradual basis, eg this guy was out for the weekend when he bought the ticket.

What interest me is that everyone here has vosted 'Yes' and yet public opinion is running very high on both sides here in the UK...

Damn, no death penalty and "life" is 15 years? So if I kill a guy that looks at me wrong and get life I can get out in 15 with no chance of death? What a great deal!

Anyway-- I think the guy should be in prison for a lot longer than what he is for what he has done, aside from that viewpoint, if the law let him out, he has every right to keep the money just as anyone else would. He sounds like a moron so he probably won't live very long anyway-

Al_Vampyre · Aug 13, 2004, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

well yes, he won it by chance, his background, age, gender, race have no bearing on lottery. There is nothing people can do to stop this, all this issue is is the media trying to make a story out of nothing (UK papers do that often if im not mistaken)

No, you're not mistaken, I have a feeling that if this guy had been in prison for something else other than rape it wouldn't be such a big deal in peoples minds...

germanjulian · Aug 13, 2004, 07:04 AM

he won it fair and square... does not matter who he is and what he did.

BWX · Aug 13, 2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Al_Vampyre

No, you're not mistaken, I have a feeling that if this guy had been in prison for something else other than rape it wouldn't be such a big deal in peoples minds...

Yeah I think people think he should have never had the right to buy the ticket because he should be in jail- but if the law lets him out, they really need to disagree with that, not whether or not he should get to keep the money he legally won..

I think the scum should rot in jail, but if the law lets him out- hey, that's not his fault.

Eurotrash · Aug 13, 2004, 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=BWX]Damn, no death penalty and "life" is 15 years? So if I kill a guy that looks at me wrong and get life I can get out in 15 with no chance of death? What a great deal!

I guess we should be very happy about the fact not many people who think like you live here in Europe.

kelston · Aug 13, 2004, 08:07 PM

He should be able to touch it right before it goes to bank to pay for victim compensation.

pr0digal jenius · Aug 14, 2004, 12:23 AM

he should get it, otherwise i will lose all faith in the 'unbiased random aspect' of the lottery

BWX · Aug 14, 2004, 08:48 AM

[QUOTE=Eurotrash]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

Damn, no death penalty and "life" is 15 years? So if I kill a guy that looks at me wrong and get life I can get out in 15 with no chance of death? What a great deal!

I guess we should be very happy about the fact not many people who think like you live here in Europe.

Um... I think murderers should be in prisoned for life, not 15 years.. What do "people over there" think? Let murderers out? Give them another chance?

Nacht · Aug 14, 2004, 02:01 PM

in norway (i think) you get 8 years for murder...at least that's what happened to Varg of burzum

Logla · Aug 14, 2004, 02:40 PM

Yes, let him keep it. He won a lottery - where everyone has an equal chance at winning.

Now of course, he is rich enough to be sued succesfully by his victims. So at least one person instead of an animal can benefit from the win.

Alistair · Aug 15, 2004, 07:22 PM

As was said earlier in this topic, disallowing him to collect his winnings will be setting a bad precedent. Also, I believe if they deny him the money he may have some legal options as far as suing to get his money because of discrimination.

ViRuS2k · Aug 16, 2004, 12:59 AM

all the money should be split amongst the Woman`(s) he raped and to the famely thats daughter was killed.

he shouldnt be allowed to keep a penny that filthy skum sucker.

he should rot in hell. imho thats what i think,

***Zardon*** · Aug 16, 2004, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_Vampyre

Sadly a life sentence here generally translates to about 15 years (with good behaviour) although you can be whipped back into prison pretty sharpish if you do anything wrong...

Or get 6 years (for life) if you are a top profile soccer player like Lee Hughes who killed someone in a car crash then abandoned the scene.

The United Kingdom government are weak and corrupt, im not surprised about this lotto winner or any of the poorly judged verdicts ive seen lately.

~~HawK~~ · Aug 16, 2004, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Or get 6 years (for life) if you are a top profile soccer player like Lee Hughes who killed someone in a car crash then abandoned the scene.

The United Kingdom government are weak and corrupt, im not surprised about this lotto winner or any of the poorly judged verdicts ive seen lately.

Try the Netherlands

get 15 years(max sentence, no weekend leaves) for killing a politician
and 3years for raping and murdering a whole family...(with weekend leaves, and kills another)
got to take care of their own...

Al_Vampyre · Aug 16, 2004, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Or get 6 years (for life) if you are a top profile soccer player like Lee Hughes who killed someone in a car crash then abandoned the scene.

The United Kingdom government are weak and corrupt, im not surprised about this lotto winner or any of the poorly judged verdicts ive seen lately.

I know...although I'm fairly sure that was classed as manslaughter rather tha murder which has always carried a lower sentence anyway. Don't make it right though...

Incidentally, my take on the lottery win thing is that if you are eligible to buy a ticket then you are eligible to win. Lets face it, for many people the only donation they are ever going to give to charity is via the lottery. And no-ones ever complained about taking money from convicted criminals who play the lottery...

What I don't understand are the people who are calling for him to pay for his prison costs etc. As a nation we do not require prisoners to pay for their keep so why should this guy be any different?

Matth · Aug 16, 2004, 08:13 AM

Well, the dozy mare of a wife (he also MARRIED while inside) who he managed to con that he was a bank robber (didn't she ask anyone else what he was in for?) may relieve him of half of it.

And under certain circumstances, the statute of limitation on damages can be lifted, the fact that he had no money at the time, and now does, would seem to suggest that a judge should look favourably on letting previous victims claim for physical harm and mental trauma.

If gambling (which the lottery is) was against his day release conditions, then that will also go badly for his parole.

Actually taking the money away by any other means - well, that would be as controversial as letting him keep it.

If the guy actually had a brain cell, he would have kept it a bit quieter and not been so cocky.

An interesting point though - who would you trust to look after a £7m prize ticket for you?

Sic Puppy · Aug 17, 2004, 07:10 PM

What you have to think is that if they didn't want him to keep the money then why did they let him out of prison at weekends!!!!

edperks · Aug 17, 2004, 07:23 PM

I think he should be able to keep it. But if I were the woman or man that he raped I would get a civil suit together and sew his ass.

Al_Vampyre · Aug 18, 2004, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by edperks

and sew his ass.

Lol...good typo!! I would expect he needs his ass sewn back up after being in prison for rape!

Pompey · Dec 7, 2004, 07:50 PM

I agree with most of you. He won it so it’s his to keep. The moral issue wether it is fair for a rapist to get 7million is debateable but if it is legal then good on him! If it were up to me murders and rapists would get 30yrs to life, atleast.

This might interest some of you, here in nz some of our worst criminals like murders are claiming compensation for THEIR human rights being 'violated' (locked in solitary confinement for too long and stuff). At least one murderer has already got NZ$55,000! If they have been mistreated then the guards should be punished but any financial gain should go to the victims/victims families. What has our justice system come to?

Aug 12, 2004, 08:55 AM	#1
Al_Vampyre DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,512 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	Convicted Rapist wins £7m on UK Lotto http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3554008.stm What do you think Guys & Girls?? __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland Rugby Team 2009 Grand Slam winning Captain.

Aug 13, 2004, 01:17 AM	#3
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Yes, because it sets a bad precedent to deny him the money - what next, criminal background checks on anyone who wins the lotto to see if the lotto runners can just keep the money instead of giving it out? "Sorry, you have one minor parking infraction, no money"? Bad precedent, like I said. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Aug 13, 2004, 02:32 AM	#5
BWX Spinal Tapped Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,573 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	"Hoare, originally from Leeds, is nearing the end of his life sentence after being jailed in 1989 for attempted rape." WTF? A life sentence over there doesn't mean life guess- And why did they let this guy out to go buy a ticket in the first place? __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

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germanjulian Back in London Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,794 Rep Power: 0	he won it fair and square... does not matter who he is and what he did. __________________ /\|\ Asus P5W DH Deluxe, Intel C2D E6600, 2GB Corsair XMS2-6400C4 DDR2, E-VGA GeForce 7800 GT, Creative X-Fi Extreme Music, 500GB Seagate 7200.10 SATA, Lian Li PC-V1100 Aluminum Case Black, etc. http://germanjulian.com /\|\

Aug 12, 2004, 09:04 AM	#2
dipstick DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,566 Rep Power: 53 System Specs	Yes! Maybe now he can buy willing women and he wont have to rape anymore

Aug 13, 2004, 02:10 AM	#4
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,108 Rep Power: 0	Yes, but he should not be able to use it (bribes), until he is discharged from prison, who cares if he has live a sentence, he should have stayed on the decent path. Or he should appeal on account of his sirname, life must have been though

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Eurotrash DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	[QUOTE=BWX]Damn, no death penalty and "life" is 15 years? So if I kill a guy that looks at me wrong and get life I can get out in 15 with no chance of death? What a great deal! I guess we should be very happy about the fact not many people who think like you live here in Europe.

Aug 13, 2004, 08:07 PM	#14
kelston DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bayside, NY USA Posts: 340 Rep Power: 0	He should be able to touch it right before it goes to bank to pay for victim compensation.

Aug 14, 2004, 12:23 AM	#15
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	he should get it, otherwise i will lose all faith in the 'unbiased random aspect' of the lottery

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Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	in norway (i think) you get 8 years for murder...at least that's what happened to Varg of burzum

Aug 14, 2004, 02:40 PM	#18
Logla DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,310 Rep Power: 48	Yes, let him keep it. He won a lottery - where everyone has an equal chance at winning. Now of course, he is rich enough to be sued succesfully by his victims. So at least one person instead of an animal can benefit from the win.

Aug 15, 2004, 07:22 PM	#19
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 441 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	As was said earlier in this topic, disallowing him to collect his winnings will be setting a bad precedent. Also, I believe if they deny him the money he may have some legal options as far as suing to get his money because of discrimination. __________________ - Alistair

Aug 16, 2004, 12:59 AM	#20
ViRuS2k DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,343 Rep Power: 57 System Specs	all the money should be split amongst the Woman`(s) he raped and to the famely thats daughter was killed. he shouldnt be allowed to keep a penny that filthy skum sucker. he should rot in hell. imho thats what i think,

Aug 16, 2004, 08:13 AM	#24
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Well, the dozy mare of a wife (he also MARRIED while inside) who he managed to con that he was a bank robber (didn't she ask anyone else what he was in for?) may relieve him of half of it. And under certain circumstances, the statute of limitation on damages can be lifted, the fact that he had no money at the time, and now does, would seem to suggest that a judge should look favourably on letting previous victims claim for physical harm and mental trauma. If gambling (which the lottery is) was against his day release conditions, then that will also go badly for his parole. Actually taking the money away by any other means - well, that would be as controversial as letting him keep it. If the guy actually had a brain cell, he would have kept it a bit quieter and not been so cocky. An interesting point though - who would you trust to look after a £7m prize ticket for you?

Aug 17, 2004, 07:10 PM	#25
Sic Puppy As Sic as Puppies Get Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Two Islands To The Right Of Australia, Where They Made Lord Of The Rings Posts: 160 Rep Power: 38 System Specs	What you have to think is that if they didn't want him to keep the money then why did they let him out of prison at weekends!!!! __________________ Les: This is Les Grossman, who is this? Kidnapper: THIS IS FLAMING DRAGON! Les: Oh, Okay, Flaming Dragon. Fkface. First, take a big step back... and literally FK YOUR OWN FACE! Les Grossman - Tropic Thunder

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edperks DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 782 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I think he should be able to keep it. But if I were the woman or man that he raped I would get a civil suit together and sew his ass. __________________

Dec 7, 2004, 07:50 PM	#28
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	I agree with most of you. He won it so it’s his to keep. The moral issue wether it is fair for a rapist to get 7million is debateable but if it is legal then good on him! If it were up to me murders and rapists would get 30yrs to life, atleast. This might interest some of you, here in nz some of our worst criminals like murders are claiming compensation for THEIR human rights being 'violated' (locked in solitary confinement for too long and stuff). At least one murderer has already got NZ$55,000! If they have been mistreated then the guards should be punished but any financial gain should go to the victims/victims families. What has our justice system come to?