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Aug 14, 2004, 11:07 AM
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He may not have been an idiot in college but he clearly is now. Like I said I think we can blame his, erm, snowy habit.
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Aug 14, 2004, 11:15 AM
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Dom -
we do we do!!!
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Aug 21, 2004, 02:04 AM
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I like to whinge
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But the Bush Administration never denounced them.
Which country has the highest violent crime rates?
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There are many reasons why, Bush being the president is not one of them.
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Aug 21, 2004, 02:05 AM
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I like to whinge
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it doesnt matter, the man is clearly not an idiot, or he wouldnt have attended an ivy league school. also, the bush admin. didnt make those anti-kerry ads, they were put up by a third party 512 that has NO CONNECTION with the bush administration.
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Exactly.
Plus they're Nam' vets who have a different story about Kerry.
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Aug 24, 2004, 04:32 AM
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At least Kerry intelligently contradicts himself. I'd rather have that, than an idiot.
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Kerry is an idiot & a fraud!
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Aug 24, 2004, 05:08 AM
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you guys are complaining about your broadband
we only have 1.5mb,... you guys atleast have T3 and T1 so you shouldn't complain
god.... i wish we had your speeds over here
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Aug 24, 2004, 07:52 AM
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There are many reasons why, Bush being the president is not one of them.
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My reply was in response to you comment. "Example: He mentioned in Bowling for Columbine that Canada is a safer place to live, so safe that they leave their doors unlocked." Perhaps you forgot what you said... So, technically Michael Moore is right about Canada being a safer place to live.
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Aug 24, 2004, 08:49 AM
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or probably listen 30 seconds later while he contradicts himself like most of the movie
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Aug 24, 2004, 02:20 PM
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My reply was in response to you comment. "Example: He mentioned in Bowling for Columbine that Canada is a safer place to live, so safe that they leave their doors unlocked." Perhaps you forgot what you said... So, technically Michael Moore is right about Canada being a safer place to live.
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Canada is also around 1/8 the population of America with a much lower minority rate, and you know that's where America's high crime stems from.
So Moore's arguement is flawed in itself. It's totally different circumstances.
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Aug 24, 2004, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ^_^
Canada is also around 1/8 the population of America with a much lower minority rate, and you know that's where America's high crime stems from.
So Moore's arguement is flawed in itself. It's totally different circumstances.
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Well, you can say that about anything. Crime rates themselves are averages, no? And population is the same in that it is too an estimate. Going by crime rates, Canada does have less as compared to the US. So, Moore's statement is not flawed. If anything is flawed it would be the whole crime rating system itself, but saying that's is just ridiculous. Not to mention a cop-out.
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Aug 24, 2004, 03:23 PM
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Micheal Moore is full of shit..........Canada is dangerous too, go to West Van in vancouver or downtown after the lights go out. I do appreciate the Canadian police force, they are not burdened by many rules and the miranda like american police officers are. I watched them beat the living crap out of someone resisting arrest in Victoria...I sure as hell wouldnt mess with them. If America returned to that kind of law enforcement practice surely there would be repercussions, but the crimes against women, children and captial crimes just might decrease. What Canada is famous for is the number of drug addicts that recieve assistance from the government...that is novel in itself. I believe that you really can judge a country or a government by looking at it's prisons...and from what I have seen, Capital punishment ought to be on the way back.
Canada per capita enjoys less crime in some areas with the exception of the larger cities that compete (if you pardon the expression) with our own here in the states. Many crimes go unreported, and some are statistically insignificant, as well as the perception of the statistics too, we all use the same raw data, but if the information falls slightly out of range for the area or the demographic profile of the city or province then it is ignored. Micheal Moore didnt do his homework, and like the National Inquirer, used what he felt was useful to complete the production of his movie. The hollywood left will no doubt choke on the bitter pill they will have to swallow when decent hardworking people all ove the U.S. will vote Bush back in office. People like me...honest hardworking republicans tired of the "gimme gimme" and the "what can you do for me" attitude of the young democrats...Ask any older democrat, that build their fortunes, they will vote and promote those that will increase their coffers. So I say find a nice safe place for your idealism and protect it, because it is useful sometimes...but not when we are faced with a democrat that is in the game for himself..It has taken four years for Bush to get things back in order and correct the mistakes of the Clinton administration, why else would Osama be here now if it wasnt for the impotent leadership of Bill Clinton and his national security adviser. Lord knows our president and national security adviser are not afraid of the world opinion...America is kicking ass again and showing the world we are not going to take it..Now that is worth voting republican in my estimation....and I am sure many democrats will be repolarized by what the next few coming months will reveal about Kerry....watch and see.
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Aug 24, 2004, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom
Well, you can say that about anything. Crime rates themselves are averages, no? And population is the same in that it is too an estimate. Going by crime rates, Canada does have less as compared to the US. So, Moore's statement is not flawed. If anything is flawed it would be the whole crime rating system itself, but saying that's is just ridiculous. Not to mention a cop-out.
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But his statements are flawed. Like how come when he gives the number per deaths by gun in other countries, he does stuff like also add in death by police fire and death by suicide for the US number and not the others? He has been proven to not be a reliable source for debate.
Canada and America shouldn't be compared because of how different they are. Just like comparing America and Iraq. Just because it fits your agenda, doesn't mean it's a fair comparison.
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Aug 24, 2004, 11:32 PM
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But his statements are flawed. Like how come when he gives the number per deaths by gun in other countries, he does stuff like also add in death by police fire and death by suicide for the US number and not the others? He has been proven to not be a reliable source for debate.
Canada and America shouldn't be compared because of how different they are. Just like comparing America and Iraq. Just because it fits your agenda, doesn't mean it's a fair comparison.
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It's not about the other things he said, it's about Canada being safer than the US. Statistically it is safer - fair comparison or not.
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Aug 24, 2004, 11:45 PM
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I am sorry for what im about to say but..i really feel sorry for Americans, you have to chose between 2 complete idiots to rule your country for the next 4 years. Good luck, you'll need it.
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Aug 25, 2004, 04:07 PM
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It's not about the other things he said, it's about Canada being safer than the US. Statistically it is safer - fair comparison or not.
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But that's also like saying there was less civil unrest and protests in Iraq when Saddamn was in power. It's completely true. But that's because he murdered people when they did that.
Which is why it's not fair to make that comparison, and people who do need to not discuss politics if that's the logic they use.
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Aug 25, 2004, 04:37 PM
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mainman - i feel sorry for me too, bud...well put
^_^ - your arguements are circular...you do realize that don't you...you have stated the same thing over and over again as proof of it's own validity. We know you think michael moore is biased. How about some evidence of this biasedness? nd remember, statistics is the art of lying with numbers...so moore is no worse then the government you are so ardently defending.
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Aug 25, 2004, 05:10 PM
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But that's also like saying there was less civil unrest and protests in Iraq when Saddamn was in power. It's completely true. But that's because he murdered people when they did that.
Which is why it's not fair to make that comparison, and people who do need to not discuss politics if that's the logic they use.
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An occupied contry's people striking against the occupying force can be classified as "civil unrest", no?
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Aug 25, 2004, 05:44 PM
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mainman - i feel sorry for me too, bud...well put
^_^ - your arguements are circular...you do realize that don't you...you have stated the same thing over and over again as proof of it's own validity. We know you think michael moore is biased. How about some evidence of this biasedness? nd remember, statistics is the art of lying with numbers...so moore is no worse then the government you are so ardently defending.
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Seeing as anyone can say BS to anything I put a link to prove him wrong with. I'll provide a link using captures from his own movie to show how unbiased and non tricky editing it is.
http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingfo...ont_staged.htm
And yes Dom, I would call that civil unrest, but the only reason they act and protest the way they do is because they know the reigns of terror have been lifted. There is more civil unrest now than when Saddamn was in power, but would you say it's because everyone was happier back then?
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Aug 25, 2004, 08:07 PM
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that website is a bit over the top to be called evidence, sorry.
the site called Jackass The Movie a 'documentary', the guy running it is a cartoonist/model as well as a 'syndicated writer'
...and the list goes on
this is on par with maddox.xmission.com as far as factual information goes
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Aug 25, 2004, 08:58 PM
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The website is way over the top. It is biased against Michael Moore, but it doesn't mean that link I sent you isn't factual. You can pop in your bowling for columbine dvd and take a look for yourself, if you don't want to believe the screens the site has provided.
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Aug 26, 2004, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mainman
I am sorry for what im about to say but..i really feel sorry for Americans, you have to chose between 2 complete idiots to rule your country for the next 4 years. Good luck, you'll need it.
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We don't have to choose they've already been chosen for us.
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Aug 26, 2004, 04:52 PM
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haha...i love it when people say all of the governments decisions are made for them...
the entire government works on representation...when you elect your senator or house member, you are putting yourself into the government. that is your representation, that is your decision. by putting them in, you are entrusting them with your vote, and your representation.
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:02 PM
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haha...i love it when people say all of the governments decisions are made for them...
the entire government works on representation...when you elect your senator or house member, you are putting yourself into the government. that is your representation, that is your decision. by putting them in, you are entrusting them with your vote, and your representation.
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We choose the party, the party selects their candidate, it's the people's fault that things have become this way.
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:58 PM
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i don't choose a party....i thinkt he partisan system is a crock..i choose the person i think will best do the job...in this election...i dunno, i'm voting for edwards...lol
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Aug 27, 2004, 12:10 AM
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haha...i love it when people say all of the governments decisions are made for them...
the entire government works on representation...when you elect your senator or house member, you are putting yourself into the government. that is your representation, that is your decision. b | | |